Comments on: [off topic] From a Dear Friend of Mine http://www.uncommondescent.com/religion/off-topic-from-a-dear-friend-of-mine/ Serving The Intelligent Design Community Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:23:25 +0000 hourly 1 By: DaveScot http://www.uncommondescent.com/religion/off-topic-from-a-dear-friend-of-mine/comment-page-1/#comment-38911 DaveScot Tue, 23 May 2006 06:02:09 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1141#comment-38911 Now that everyone is happy that this article isn't a fabrication the comments are closed. :-) Now that everyone is happy that this article isn’t a fabrication the comments are closed. :-)

]]> By: Rude http://www.uncommondescent.com/religion/off-topic-from-a-dear-friend-of-mine/comment-page-1/#comment-38754 Rude Mon, 22 May 2006 20:00:20 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1141#comment-38754 Pray that strength prevail on the home front and we not cut and run as in Vietnam. Pray that strength prevail on the home front and we not cut and run as in Vietnam.

]]> By: MrsCogan http://www.uncommondescent.com/religion/off-topic-from-a-dear-friend-of-mine/comment-page-1/#comment-38743 MrsCogan Mon, 22 May 2006 19:11:05 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1141#comment-38743 <p>The ACLU has taken many religious freedom cases including definding churches and conservative Christians, including Jerry Fallwell. The ACLU has also defended the right of students to form prayer and Bible study clubs in school and both are ubiquitous at least in the south. </p> <p>None of the Marines depicted are forcing other people to pray. I can only assume that *they* are not being forced to pray, but are doing so of their own free will. Students are free to pray at any time during a football game or a graduation ceremony. They are NOT free to force others to pray or to force others to listen to them pray. I can never quite understand why forced prayer is so desirable. Certainly it pleases the person doing the forcing, but I can't imagine that it would please God. </p> <b>The problem is that a student can't lead a voluntary prayer at a football game or graduation ceremony because just hearing it might offend some poor sensitive thing that has to endure the horror of listening to it. I say it's too bad. Hearing isn't saying. They can cover their ears, not bow their heads, keep their mouths shut, or whatever. The real crime is denying the students who DO want to participate in the prayer. Evidently they don't have any rights. The constitution guarantees freedom of religion not freedom from religion. I suggest you read it if you don't believe me. -ds </b> The ACLU has taken many religious freedom cases including definding churches and conservative Christians, including Jerry Fallwell. The ACLU has also defended the right of students to form prayer and Bible study clubs in school and both are ubiquitous at least in the south.

None of the Marines depicted are forcing other people to pray. I can only assume that *they* are not being forced to pray, but are doing so of their own free will. Students are free to pray at any time during a football game or a graduation ceremony. They are NOT free to force others to pray or to force others to listen to them pray. I can never quite understand why forced prayer is so desirable. Certainly it pleases the person doing the forcing, but I can’t imagine that it would please God.

The problem is that a student can’t lead a voluntary prayer at a football game or graduation ceremony because just hearing it might offend some poor sensitive thing that has to endure the horror of listening to it. I say it’s too bad. Hearing isn’t saying. They can cover their ears, not bow their heads, keep their mouths shut, or whatever. The real crime is denying the students who DO want to participate in the prayer. Evidently they don’t have any rights. The constitution guarantees freedom of religion not freedom from religion. I suggest you read it if you don’t believe me. -ds

]]> By: DaveScot http://www.uncommondescent.com/religion/off-topic-from-a-dear-friend-of-mine/comment-page-1/#comment-38741 DaveScot Mon, 22 May 2006 18:59:24 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1141#comment-38741 The ACLU has certainly stood against prayer in public school even if led by students in extra-curricular settings like graduation ceremonies and football games. There is not one iota of doubt in my mind that the ACLU would love to do the same thing to prayer in the military. Prayers led by commissioned and non-commissioned officers in the Corps are common. The military builds and maintains chapels on military bases. They employ religious clerics whose job is spiritual counseling and leading worship services. Anyone that thinks the ACLU wouldn't stand against that if they could get away with it needs their head examined. They simply know the American public wouldn't tolerate it and the ACLU would be so harmed they might never recover as an organization. So they bite their anti-religious tongues in the interest of self-preservation. The ACLU has certainly stood against prayer in public school even if led by students in extra-curricular settings like graduation ceremonies and football games. There is not one iota of doubt in my mind that the ACLU would love to do the same thing to prayer in the military. Prayers led by commissioned and non-commissioned officers in the Corps are common. The military builds and maintains chapels on military bases. They employ religious clerics whose job is spiritual counseling and leading worship services. Anyone that thinks the ACLU wouldn’t stand against that if they could get away with it needs their head examined. They simply know the American public wouldn’t tolerate it and the ACLU would be so harmed they might never recover as an organization. So they bite their anti-religious tongues in the interest of self-preservation.

]]> By: DaveScot http://www.uncommondescent.com/religion/off-topic-from-a-dear-friend-of-mine/comment-page-1/#comment-38731 DaveScot Mon, 22 May 2006 17:49:01 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1141#comment-38731 <p>To everyone who's pointed out that the ACLU story is a fabrication according to snopes.com - that's hardly the point. The pictures of Marines praying are real. The fighting and dying to protect the interests of the United States is real. The request to pray for them is real. So I removed the fake names, noted the ACLU statement is rumor, and quoted a very real former Marine Sergeant's sentiments instead. If anyone has a problem with that they can KMA. Google <i>that</i>.</p> <p>HOO RAH! Semper Fi! </p> To everyone who’s pointed out that the ACLU story is a fabrication according to snopes.com – that’s hardly the point. The pictures of Marines praying are real. The fighting and dying to protect the interests of the United States is real. The request to pray for them is real. So I removed the fake names, noted the ACLU statement is rumor, and quoted a very real former Marine Sergeant’s sentiments instead. If anyone has a problem with that they can KMA. Google that.

HOO RAH! Semper Fi!

]]> By: William Dembski http://www.uncommondescent.com/religion/off-topic-from-a-dear-friend-of-mine/comment-page-1/#comment-38667 William Dembski Mon, 22 May 2006 14:21:04 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1141#comment-38667 Right on! Right on!

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