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Readers will recall Massimo Pigliucci, that interesting philosopher of science who recently declined into a groupie for the war on denialism (dissent). Science goes NoKo?*

That said, here he is, saying nice things about Jerry (What Darwin Got Wrong) Fodor (= it is still possible to have a reasonable discussion?)

Just before this passage in the same paper, Fodor argues a related, even more interesting point:

“If only physical particles weren’t so small (if only brains were on the outside, where one can get a look at them), then we would do physics instead of paleontology (neurology instead of psychology; psychology instead of economics; and so on down). [But] even if brains were out where they can be looked at, as things now stand, we wouldn’t know what to look for: we lack the appropriate theoretical apparatus for the psychological taxonomy of neurological events.”

The idea, I take it, is that when physicists like Weinberg (for instance) tell me (as he actually did, during Sean Carroll’s naturalism workshop [11]) that “in principle” all knowledge of the world is reducible to physics, one is perfectly within one’s rights to ask (as I did of Weinberg) what principle, exactly, is he referring to. Fodor contends that if one were to call up the epistemic bluff the physicists would have no idea of where to even begin to provide a reduction of sociology, economics, psychology, biology, etc. to fundamental physics. There is, it seems, no known “principle” that would guide anyone in pursuing such a quest – a far more fundamental issue from the one imposed by merely practical limits of time and calculation. To provide an analogy, if I told you that I could, given the proper amount of time and energy, list all the digits of the largest known prime number, but then decline to actually do so because, you know, the darn thing’s got 12,978,189 digits, you couldn’t have any principled objection to my statement. But if instead I told you that I can prove to you that there is an infinity of prime numbers, you would be perfectly within your rights to ask me at the least the outline of such proof (which exists, by the way), and you should certainly not be content with any vague gesturing on my part to the effect that I don’t see any reason “in principle” why there should be a limit to the set of prime numbers.
More.

Yes, but you must be allowed to think that, Massimo, without getting your head bashed in.

*Science goes NoKo: When anything goes NoKo, there are Winners and losers. The big Winners are ideologically correct mediocrities with attack dogs, actual, virtual, or metaphorical. The big loser is the life of the mind.

And the “aren’t I good?” girls wave pom poms for the Winners. It’s their job. Maybe all they can do.

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physics is just the basement to the universe. biology and human thought are not of physics. Biology comes from gods breath in its essence. Humans from his image. physics is chump change in dealing with the more intellectually complicated things. Surely this is so.Robert Byers
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The author rejects both the notion of a unified scientific method (a position that is nowadays pretty standard among philosophers of science), and goes on to advocate a pluralistic view of the sciences, which he claims reflects both what the sciences themselves are finding about the world (with a multiplication of increasingly disconnected disciplines and the production of new explanatory principles that are stubbornly irreducible to each other), as well as a more sensible metaphysics (there aren’t any “joints” at which the sciences “cut nature,” so that there are a number of perfectly equivalent ways of thinking about the universe and its furnishings).
Some are irreducible.Silver Asiatic
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Valid fields of study overlap. That's one of their strengths.Zachriel
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Massimo is an atheist-materialist who doesn't like the idea that there is nothing but matter and energy in his own world-view. He breaks the rules of the game by admitting (as he has elsewhere) that Darwinian theory doesn't work and as here that there is no principle one can use to reduce everything to physics. As a philosopher, he tries to defend his territory -- and to defend some sense of humanity. But when he appeals to metaphysics as a necessary aspect in the discussion, he avoids the problem of determinism. There is no principle required to reduce everything to physics in the materialistic view. There is no philosophy required either. Nothing needs to be defended in terms of reason or logic. The mind produces thoughts which are physical emanations. They mean nothing and have no value. That's the problem they don't want to deal with, so they continue to steal concepts from Western theistic culture to keep the appearance of being "intellectuals". But give Massimo credit for realizing that his worldview is a dead-end and for trying to find a way out of it.Silver Asiatic
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as to this naturalistic claim
"when physicists like Weinberg (for instance) tell me (as he actually did, during Sean Carroll’s naturalism workshop [11]) that “in principle” all knowledge of the world is reducible to physics,"
and how in blue blazes is it possible for the laws of physics to 'know' anything? It takes a mind to 'know' and understand!
"Hawking’s entire argument is built upon theism. He is, as Cornelius Van Til put it, like the child who must climb up onto his father’s lap into order to slap his face. Take that part about the “human mind” for example. Under atheism there is no such thing as a mind. There is no such thing as understanding and no such thing as truth. All (Stephen) Hawking is left with is a box, called a skull, which contains a bunch of molecules. Hawking needs God in order to deny Him." - Cornelius Hunter – picture https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10344804_736790473055959_5027794313726938258_n.png?oh=32dcc64a81815fd8fbf5884ea44490ed&oe=548E8745&__gda__=1418537725_911886dd89430d275c0e393a46afdb55 Do the New Atheists Own the Market on Reason? - On the terms of the New Atheists, the very concept of rationality becomes nonsensical - By R. Scott Smith, May 03, 2012 Excerpt: If atheistic evolution by NS were true, we'd be in a beginningless series of interpretations, without any knowledge. Yet, we do know many things. So, naturalism & atheistic evolution by NS are false -- non-physical essences exist. But, what's their best explanation? Being non-physical, it can't be evolution by NS. Plus, we use our experiences, form concepts and beliefs, and even modify or reject them. Yet, if we're just physical beings, how could we interact with and use these non-physical things? Perhaps we have non-physical souls too. In all, it seems likely the best explanation for these non-physical things is that there exists a Creator after all. http://www.patheos.com/Evangelical/Atheists-Own-the-Market-on-Reason-Scott-Smith-05-04-2012?offset=1&max=1 "Supposing there was no intelligence behind the universe, no creative mind. In that case, nobody designed my brain for the purpose of thinking. It is merely that when the atoms inside my skull happen, for physical or chemical reasons, to arrange themselves in a certain way, this gives me, as a by-product, the sensation I call thought. But, if so, how can I trust my own thinking to be true? It's like upsetting a milk jug and hoping that the way it splashes itself will give you a map of London. But if I can't trust my own thinking, of course I can't trust the arguments leading to Atheism, and therefore have no reason to be an Atheist, or anything else. Unless I believe in God, I cannot believe in thought: so I can never use thought to disbelieve in God." —C.S. Lewis “It seems to me immensely unlikely that mind is a mere by-product of matter. For if my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain, I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true. They may be sound chemically, but that does not make them sound logically. And hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms. In order to escape from this necessity of sawing away the branch on which I am sitting, so to speak, I am compelled to believe that mind is not wholly conditioned by matter”. J. B. S. Haldane ["When I am dead," in Possible Worlds: And Other Essays [1927], Chatto and Windus: London, 1932, reprint, p.209. The Confidence of Jerry Coyne - Ross Douthat - January 6, 2014 Excerpt: then halfway through this peroration, we have as an aside the confession that yes, okay, it’s quite possible given materialist premises that “our sense of self is a neuronal illusion.” At which point the entire edifice suddenly looks terribly wobbly — because who, exactly, is doing all of this forging and shaping and purpose-creating if Jerry Coyne, as I understand him (and I assume he understands himself) quite possibly does not actually exist at all? The theme of his argument is the crucial importance of human agency under eliminative materialism, but if under materialist premises the actual agent is quite possibly a fiction, then who exactly is this I who “reads” and “learns” and “teaches,” and why in the universe’s name should my illusory self believe Coyne’s bold proclamation that his illusory self’s purposes are somehow “real” and worthy of devotion and pursuit? (Let alone that they’re morally significant:,,) Read more here: http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/06/the-confidence-of-jerry-coyne/?_r=0 David Chalmers on Consciousness - Philosophical Zombies and The Hard Problem Of Consciousness - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1Yo6VbRoo Epistemology - Why Should The Human Mind Even Comprehend Reality? - Stephen Meyer https://vimeo.com/32145998
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People have got their heads bashed in? Do tell.Seversky
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