SAD NEWS EVENT: Mass murder at nightclub in Orlando, FL

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June 12, 2016

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Drudge headline:

A bit of background: The club may have attracted terrorist attention. Info re believed shooter. Allegiance to Islamic State Worst mass shooting in US? Islamic State claims responsibility US Prez: “Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and loved ones of the victims.“

Sky News:

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I add, current Wki article intro, as Wiki tends to do a fair job of tracking developing events:

>>On June 12, 2016, a gunman killed at least 50 people and wounded 53 others in a mass shooting at Pulse, a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida. The gunman was identified as 29-year-old Omar Mir Seddique Mateen, an American citizen of Afghan descent.^[3] The Orlando Police Department are treating the case as an act of domestic terrorism.^[4] The shooter pledged allegiance to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) before the attack.^[5]^[6]

The incident is the deadliest mass shooting^[7]^[8]^[4]^[9] and the deadliest attack on LGBT people in United States history;^[10] and it is the deadliest “terror attack” in the U.S. since the September 11, 2001 attacks.^[11]^[12]>>

This seems to be of a — horrific — piece with the Paris and San Bernardino attacks. (The direct parallel to Bataclan makes chatter about “gun control” as the solution patently irrelevant.)

Per Drudge, it seems Gateway Pundit and Walid Shoebat are saying there was an ISIS threat against Florida three days ago. Sky News reports a call to emergency services just prior to the attack, during which loyalty was pledged to IS. A now sadly familiar modus operandi.

Mass murder, demonic evil on the loose, 4th generation war with no distinction between military and civilians.

Let us get what seems to be relevant geostrategic context:

It seems the weapon is ~~an AR-15~~ Sig Sauer MXC Semi-Auto, which would be a semiauto 5.56 mm NATO weapon. At Bataclan, AK 47s were used.

I think, again, that we need to look to serious target hardening, given the successful defense of the Geller event in Garland TX. END

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TARGET-HARDENING SEAL OF APPROVAL: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2016/07/03/security-daytona-international-speedway-coke-zero-pulse-shooting-terrorism/86656084/kairosfocus_{July 4, 2016
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DS, the pivotal issue is the network, but the issue of the Maoist fish in the sea also counts. Where, it is past time that Muslims as a whole were to clearly, definitively repudiate the IslamISTS and their strategies as well as tactics. Not just by words but by consistent deeds. Otherwise they will have themselves to blame for those who will eventually say it is all a good cop, bad cop con game to push an oppressive, totalitarian agenda. I suspect time is beginning to run out on this. KF PS: I see the cap. There is an uncomfortable history there, especially given the reason why a very similar cap, the Fez, is red.kairosfocus_{June 23, 2016
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WJM,
No. You should perhaps try to understand that “profiling” contains more criteria than simply race, ethnicity or apparent religion. How, surely you realize that if a TSA agent has pictures of perhaps 50 dark-complexioned radical jihadist men who almost always dress in traditional garb on their no-fly list, the first thing they should look for in a busy airport with lots of people waiting in line is … matching dark skin and traditional garb. You don’t have a problem with that, do you? That in that circumstance you give special attention to dark complexioned men in traditional muslim dress so you can see if they look like the men in your no-fly photographs? Not that they have to actually pull the guy aside or into a room, but just get a good look at their face, right?
I don't have a problem with this, because here you are searching for specific people who have already been identified as dangerous and have been placed on a list. This is not a case of treating Muslims (or members of other religious groups) differently solely based on their religion.daveS_{June 23, 2016
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KF, This is what I was referring to by "taqiyah". And yes, I think we're in agreement that treating people differently solely because they are (or perhaps appear to be) Muslims is not productive, and I assume actually illegal in the US. On the gun control issue, I don't believe any significant changes on this front will occur in my lifetime.daveS_{June 23, 2016
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daveS @82: No. You should perhaps try to understand that "profiling" contains more criteria than simply race, ethnicity or apparent religion. How, surely you realize that if a TSA agent has pictures of perhaps 50 dark-complexioned radical jihadist men who almost always dress in traditional garb on their no-fly list, the first thing they should look for in a busy airport with lots of people waiting in line is ... matching dark skin and traditional garb. You don't have a problem with that, do you? That in that circumstance you give special attention to dark complexioned men in traditional muslim dress so you can see if they look like the men in your no-fly photographs? Not that they have to actually pull the guy aside or into a room, but just get a good look at their face, right? Or, would you prefer that they give equal attention to grey-haired old chinese women and middle-aged black men with no facial hair and in business suits? I would assume that if we had shaved-head neo-nazi terrorists on the no-fly list, we would also give special attention to bald caucasians, especially those with tattoos. Or, if we're looking for russian mobsters, we'd target white guys coming out of russia or eastern europe with certain kinds of accents and probably wearing business suits. Etc. Profiling is a useful technique, daveS. It is only those that wish to cause America harm and put people at risk that wish to shame us from using a valuable and valid defensive technique by implying those who use it do so because they are racist or bigoted.William J Murray_{June 23, 2016
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DS, ideology which motivates violence is not quite the same as religion. Though, in this case IslamISM is religiously motivated and IslamISTS like to hide as Mao's fish in the people-seas of (a) Muslims and (b) racial minorities. It is also not a race as I pointed out by listing examples yesterday. This is a case where we need to recognise parallels to Fascism and to Communism as threats -- and it was moderate Muslims in Algeria who coined the apt term for these politically messianistic, too often nihilistically violent extremists, Islamofascism. Where, too, in the specific case in view a forest of red flags was missed because of the fish in sea problem; as has repeatedly happened. The point is, socially, radicalisation depends on networks, and monitoring and dealing with the networks is key -- lone wolf, by and large, is a misnomer. Thus, the power of agents of influence that play PC games with responding to red flags that clearly heighten risk, will have to be broken; this will inevitably implicate many who have been co-opted in power centres of our civilisation, who will resist (but cancers require radical treatment, esp. if they are at metastasis stage of propagating colonies here and there). And the civilisation - settlement jihad strategy in the The Explanatory Memorandum Muslim Brotherhood captured document in large part pivots on front groups and agents of influence (networks, again). A second, operational key used by the Israelis, is that a person engaging in an assassin-cult like attack (recall, that word comes from the historic cult and its use of hashish . . . a very strong form of "ganja" aka marijuana etc . . . to trigger mental states in which suicide attacks were carried out) is doing something profoundly existential and will as a rule radiate emotional cues that self-flag, so people need to learn to respond to such cues. BTW, taqiyya means strategic/ tactical deception (shia version -- cf. 55 above); I think it is a term describing the Arafat-style headscarf you were looking for, keffiyeh IIRC. KF PS: On the gun control talking point and sit-in stuff, what level of control or confiscation would work to block attacks like this or as in Paris or Bombay? Given, effective gun confiscation in those places? And, frankly, with what 80 - 100 million owners with 300+ million guns in the USA, with a significant fraction (for cause, per a long sad history) convinced confiscation is a gateway to tyranny [think April 19, 1775], it looks to me like people are playing with triggering a 4th generation civil war on very ugly rules of engagement; in the face of already troubling signs. It seems to me that much of what is going on is unsustainable marches of folly along a cultural watershed with slip-sliding down mutually polarised slippery slopes already underway. This does not look like ending well. Can our civilisation wake up in time to avert ruin?kairosfocus_{June 23, 2016
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mike1962, Are you from the US? Many of us, and not just "PC wack jobs" have concerns with religious profiling. For one thing, is it even legal under our system? Pulling aside people at a security checkpoint who have already been identified as potentially dangerous is one thing; doing the same to every man wearing a taqiyah is another.daveS_{June 22, 2016
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daves: I take it you are not in favor of treating those who simply appear to be Muslim any differently than others. What are you, some kind of idiot? Most people take everything about a person into consideration. Humans profile by nature. We can't help it. Even you, I'm sure, unless you're blind and deaf. Profiling is good. It saves lives. It's probably your own ass a time or two. Are you really this PC wack job you are trying to present yourself to be? Against even your own best interests? Believe me, nobody is fooled. Grow up.mike1962_{June 22, 2016
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DS, I am in favour of recognising the flare up of the 1400 year war and of acting in accord with Sun Tsu's advice. I am therefore in agreement with proper policing and counter-intel on the sources and networks of such. Where, I note that Richard Reid, the shoe bomber was a son of of Jamaican and British parents. Owen (IIRC) was another Jamaican, one of the 7/7 suicide bombers. The Imam gaoled for sedition and deported to Jamaica from the UK was, again, Jamaican. El Shukrijumah was/is Trini-Guyanese. The people tried for the NY Airport bombing were similar, but of Afro-Caribbean descent. The underwear bomber was Nigerian. Boko Haram (now an ISIS affiliate) is mostly same. There is a Chinese minority. Indonesians have been involved. Somalis count. Algerians are involved and those are Berber-Arab. One of the SB attackers was Pakistani. The Boston bombers were Chechin. The latest, Afghani. White Europeans have been involved, as well as white Americans. I may have missed a Hispanic or two. What is consistent is radicalised Islam and the key loci are online, interpersonal networks, Mosques that are radicalised, and certain magnet states. These point to counter-intel and special ops. As well as target hardening, addressing enclaves and agents of influence, then on serious attacks going after the source nests. Historically, the Barbary coast and the Assassin cult were only broken when that was done. Also, it may well be time to so seriously challenge radicalised Islam and associated IslamISTS in the information battlespace that they dare not hold up their heads, being utterly shamed in an honor-shame culture. KFkairosfocus_{June 22, 2016
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KF,
DS, I said ideology is not an appearance or a race. Having noted such, people who have reasonable indications that would flag as significantly above background risk for IslamIST radicalisation should be targetted for responsible, discreet additional scrutiny. In the relevant cases such as Maj Hassan, the San Bernardino, the Boston and now the Orlando attacks, significant indicators were suppressed or ignored. Sometimes, outright warnings. A review is indicated as something is not working. KF
Thanks. I take it you are not in favor of treating those who simply appear to be Muslim any differently than others.daveS_{June 22, 2016
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DS, I said ideology is not an appearance or a race. Having noted such, people who have reasonable indications that would flag as significantly above background risk for IslamIST radicalisation should be targetted for responsible, discreet additional scrutiny. In the relevant cases such as Maj Hassan, the San Bernardino, the Boston and now the Orlando attacks, significant indicators were suppressed or ignored. Sometimes, outright warnings. A review is indicated as something is not working. KFkairosfocus_{June 22, 2016
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KF, Do you therefore agree with the proposal that all people who look Muslim should be treated differently than those who don't at US airports?daveS_{June 22, 2016
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DS, I recall how visa applications to the US in the days when I bothered with such routinely asked about Nazi/Communist affiliation and the like; under penalty of law. On the strength of the 1400 year war and its continuation to today, on the strength of a cluster of known active subversive and terrorist movements, on the strength of the various captured documents, on the strength of a horrific track record closer scrutiny of Muslims in general and those with links to radical islamISTS in particular is warranted. Start with, 15 of 19 9/11 attackers were radicalised Muslims from Saudi Arabia, as was Bin Laden himself. Proceed to the global set of Mosques, schools etc funded through north of US$ 100 billions in Saudi oil money spent on the Dawah, which should be monitored. I gather, 70% of Mosques in the US are deemed radicalised, and the one this latest attacker was affiliated with already has had a member become a suicide bomber. Ideology is not race, and appearance or dress is not race. I suggest that these institutions and the people associated with them need to be reasonably vetted, and as the Israelis do with El Al flights, careful scrutiny pays off. Responsible Muslims -- the majority -- understand. Life, innocent life, is on the line. KFkairosfocus_{June 22, 2016
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daves: Just to be clear, should all Muslims, not just those who have been identified as dangerous by intelligence agencies, be treated differently at US airports? Of course... if you're interested in saving lives. Because there is a much higher probability of terrorist potential from that group. It's a simple matter of statistics. Your average lilly white protestant grandmother from the midwest wearing her Bermuda shorts is a non-threat and statistically never will be. (Check her purse for a gun and a switchblade just to make sure.) Sorry if you don't like it, but emotions don't count. Profiling works. Profiling saves lives.mike1962_{June 22, 2016
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daves: Thanks for answering. You bet.mike1962_{June 22, 2016
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WJM,
Muslims should get more attention from our intelligence agencies, daveS.
Edited: Just to be clear, should all Muslims, not just those who have been identified as dangerous by intelligence agencies, be treated differently at US airports?daveS_{June 22, 2016
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daveS said:
How do the TSA agents etc., distinguish Muslims from non-Muslims?
Muslims should get more attention from our intelligence agencies, daveS. If said intelligence indicates that certain muslims display pro-terrorist attitudes or travel and visitation habits - like the Orlando shooter did - they should be flagged and they can send such reports along with warnings and pictures to the TSA and other appropriate organizations.William J Murray_{June 22, 2016
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mike1962, Thanks for answering.daveS_{June 22, 2016
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WJM, I'm asking about whether Muslims at US airports should be treated differently than non-Muslims, and specifically how Muslims are supposed to be identified.daveS_{June 22, 2016
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Are you saying we should treat people who “look Muslim” differently at airports, for example? Yes. Among other things. They require more scrutiny. Israel has mastered the technique of interview. We need to do what Israel does. Personal feelings and emotions are irrelevant. Profiling works. Profiling saves lives.mike1962_{June 22, 2016
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They KNEW the Orlando shooter was a radicalized Muslim; they KNEW his father was a radical muslim. Several people including fellow muslims had reported him for various warning signs and statements . And yet the FBI let this guy go on a killing spree. If anything, the Obama administration should be raking the FBI over the coals for this incredible failure ... but what is the Obama administration and what are leading Democrats focused on? Further disarming an already at-risk citizenry and letting even more unvetted refugees and immigrants into the country from anti-American regions of the world, like the shooter's father.William J Murray_{June 22, 2016
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WJM, Yes, I can read. How do the TSA agents etc., distinguish Muslims from non-Muslims?daveS_{June 22, 2016
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daveS: Can you not read? What part of "This means Moslems get more attention and those displaying pro-terrorist attitudes are regularly prevented from carrying out attacks" refers at all to "how people look"?William J Murray_{June 22, 2016
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KF,
The one method that has been proven to work is dismissed in the United States because it involves adopting the Israeli system of profiling. This means Moslems get more attention and those displaying pro-terrorist attitudes are regularly prevented from carrying out attacks.
Are you saying we should treat people who "look Muslim" differently at airports, for example?daveS_{June 22, 2016
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F/N: Strategy Page, on "Counter-Terrorism: Ignoring The Obvious" . . . an indicator of the ways public opinion is now routinely manipulated (with direct implications for how origins linked issues and policy are manipulated, thus what we are up against):
June 21, 2016: In the aftermath of the June 12 th Islamic terror attack in Orlando Florida by an American Moslem there have been calls for new security measures to prevent repeat attacks. Demands that gun ownership be more strictly regulated ignores the fact that this has not prevented earlier similar Islamic terrors attacks in the United States, Europe and other areas with strict gun controls. The one method that has been proven to work is dismissed in the United States because it involves adopting the Israeli system of profiling. This means Moslems get more attention and those displaying pro-terrorist attitudes are regularly prevented from carrying out attacks. It works for Israeli airports, government facilities and places that have dancing and alcohol, something Islamic terrorists regularly attack even in majority Moslem countries. Another problem in the United States and the West is that profiling is either not allowed or not used in screening those applying for security jobs or joining the military. Thus the Moslem man who carried out the Orlando attack was subsequently found to have passed screening for an airport security job and recent warnings (to the FBI) from gun shop owners who noted his suspicious behavior were not acted on. This refusal to recognize the obvious continues . . .
In short, the narrative and its agenda are imposed and drummed in over and over again, regardless of where the patent truth lies. That we go along with such behaviour in our media and among policy leaders and pundits speaks volumes, and not in our favour. Sun Tzu’s maxim speaks yet again to us: “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” And it tells us, we may be dealing with a de facto "the enemy of my enemy is my ally" situation: the red, double green network (including the homosexualist rainbow under the red factions), with the common perceived enemy being Christendom and whatever is left of its legacy; viewed as the root of ills in the world. A most ill advised notion. But it explains a vast array of patterns better than anything else I can put forward. For instance, effectively target hardening, hitting the enclaves, breaking influence networks, identifying and addressing sources of radicalisation and/or infiltration, then going after state sponsors seems to require working with those who represent that despised heritage. So we see instead distractions, distortions, emotive manipulation, ineffectual feel better measures (that conveniently target remnants of Christendom) and more. Kulturkampf trending open civil wars. This will not end well. KF PS: I think I should add a perhaps painful note, though it is not offered with animosity but to call to good sense. I caught a CNN TV interview with a senator yesterday where she spoke of how 58,000 Americans were killed in Vietnam and 300,000 die by firearms per decade in the US. My instant thought is, 50+ millions die by abortion per year globally, about 1 - 1.5 million of them in the US. Also it seems the numbers of cases where people are saved by firearms (usually just by brandishing) is likely 800,000 or more, with actually relevant homicides about 10,000 with typically 200 by rifles of all kinds. (Where, it is worth noting that an actual sturm gewehr, assault rifle -- so named by Adolph Schicklegruber starting with the MP 44 -- is a selective fire, intermediate power round with 300 - 500 m effective range, high capacity rifle, of a type that was never accessible to civilians. That intermediate power cartridge was important to gain control on full auto fire, one pull, bullets fire until released or empty. This makes similar semiauto rifles useful and handy with minimal recoil so that 8 - 10 year old slender girls routinely fire them at targets.) So, unless we see a responsiveness to the abortion holocaust, we are entitled to be doubtful about any appeal to life. And until we see a reasonable balance on how firearms are legitimately protective, we are entitled to view the oh let's get guns out of the hands of the lawful -- the lawless will ALWAYS get guns -- and let's soften the targets as patently irrational and even absurd or cynically manipulative or both.kairosfocus_{June 22, 2016
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WJM, The censored and substituted transcript speaks volumes on the accuracy of the concerns in the clip you cited. And, on how we are being willfully manipulated, divided, confused and polarised. The ghost of Sun Tsu is shaking his head. KF PS: Some sobering reading on the sort of polarisation that has been at work.kairosfocus_{June 20, 2016
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F/N: censored transcript:
Orlando Police Dispatcher (OD) Shooter (OM) OD: Emergency 911, this is being recorded. OM: In the name of God [--> actually, Allah] the Merciful, the beneficial [in Arabic] OD: What? OM: Praise be to God [--> actually, Allah], and prayers as well as peace be upon the prophet of God [--> actually, Allah] [in Arabic]. I let you know, I’m in Orlando and I did the shootings. OD: What’s your name? OM: My name is I pledge of allegiance to [omitted] [--> Isis and/or the Caliph]. OD: Ok, What’s your name? OM: I pledge allegiance to [omitted] [--> Caliph al Baghdadi] may God [--> actually, Allah] protect him [in Arabic], on behalf of [omitted].
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A must read: Obama’s denial of the religious nature of the war that Islamic radicals have declared on America is why we are losing the war. Excerpt:
According to a Gallup poll taken in the week after the atrocity in Orlando, only 29% of Democrats thought this was an Islamic terror attack. Fully 60% of all Democrats attributed the attack to “domestic gun violence.” Moreover 42% of independents felt the same way. Only 44% attributed it to the Islamic holy war that has been declared on America and the West.[1] How is this possible? During the massacre, the terrorist himself took pains to post messages declaring that his acts were acts of Islamic terror against America. “Now taste the Islamic state vengeance," one message sadi. Another warned, “in the next few days you will see attacks from the Islamic state in the USA.”[2] Moreover, in the days following the attack a dossier of his behavior and associations going back more than fifteen years showed that he saw himself as a warrior for Islam and a jihadist in the making. The FBI had interviewed him twice – once in 2013 after co-workers reported that he made “inflammatory” comments to them about radical Islamic propaganda, and the following year because of ties with a fellow Muslim who traveled to Syria to become a suicide bomber. .......... In this we have a microcosm of why all eight domestic terror attacks on Obama’s watch – beginning with the Fort Hood massacre and the Boston Marathon bombing – were carried out by individuals on the FBI’s radar who could have been stopped if the early warning signs of their commitments to the Islamic jihad hadn’t been dismissed.
Of course, it is the a priori commitment to a particular worldview that generated the rampant denialism necessary for this kind of self-immolating willful ignorance. People would rather believe the absurd than accept that their ideological counterparts are right about anything.William J Murray_{June 20, 2016
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F/N: Georgia state representative and former US Navy pilot Dave Belton writes on defeating IslamIST terrorism:
. . . 9/11 was caused by a group of radical Islamic terrorists who did not employ guns, yet killed thousands of people. For a very short time our nation rallied together, denouncing those thugs for the barbarians they were. Democrats and Republicans voted together to authorize a war both on Afghanistan and, then, Iraq. We hunted down Al Qaeda in a military campaign that kept the U.S. terror-free until President Obama pulled our troops out of Iraq. That act – a retreat that our military advisors warned against – was the birth of ISIS, the “JV Team” that has brought terror to America again. Two days after the President claimed that ISIS was contained, terrorists gunned down scores in Paris. A few days after Orlando, the President claims that we were winning the war against ISIS. Yet just two days later the CIA Chief directly refuted him, saying that ISIS was better poised to attack us now than ever before. To deflect their failure, the Left blames the NRA for Orlando. That is absurd. The killer yelled “Allah Akbar!” and posted on Facebook dozens of times during the massacre to make sure everyone on the planet understood that he was committing his atrocities on behalf of Islam. He sought out a LGBT night club because ISIS routinely murders every LGBT person they come across. That is a well-documented fact. It is also a fact – and sad irony – that in the 1970’s when Iran deposed the Shah, the Iranian LGBT community vigorously supported Ayatollah Khomeini’s revolution. Guess what happened when he got in power? Khomeini jailed and murdered those same LGBT members. If any group in the West should fear radical Islam, it is the LGBT community. Gun-control advocates believe we could stop this violence by making guns illegal. Yet France and Spain and Belgium and England have far more strict gun laws than we do – so does Chicago for that matter — yet it didn’t stop those attacks. Somehow the “bad guys” always find a way to kill people. Nearly all mass shooting events happen in “safe zones” where guns are prohibited. Why? Because the criminal — who doesn’t have a problem with getting guns illegally – knows he is “safe” from being shot by law-abiding citizens. The “safe zone” creates a “safe” environment for the shooter. The Left wants us to put our trust in the government, yet that same government clearly failed when they mistakenly took the murderer off the terror list. It is exactly because the government is so inept that law abiding citizens must arm themselves. Radical Islamic terrorists have been waging war against America since days of the Barbary pirates. Trying to figure out a way to negotiate with these slavers, President Thomas Jefferson read the entire Koran to help understand their motivations. This is what he wrote: “It was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority are sinners that it is their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners.” He eventually ordered the Marines to storm Tripoli in a battle that is famously memorialized by the Marine’s Hymn’s “From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli.” Some of you might think I’m drudging up useless history. But consider this: the high-water mark of Islamic expansion occurred in 1683. A vast Muslim army was about to accomplish something they’d been trying to do for centuries; conquer the jewel of Europe – Vienna. The invaders bombed out a part of the wall and were ready to storm the Austrian capital when a Polish king came to the rescue, smashing the invaders in the largest cavalry charge in history . . .
Further food for thought. KFkairosfocus_{June 20, 2016
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F/N; Real clear Politics, here:
In an interview with NBC's Chuck Todd, Attorney General Loretta Lynch says that on Monday, the FBI will release edited transcripts of the 911 calls made by the Orlando nightclub shooter to the police during his rampage. "What we're not going to do is further proclaim this man's pledges of allegiance to terrorist groups, and further his propaganda," Lynch said. "We are not going to hear him make his assertions of allegiance [to the Islamic State]" . . .
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