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		<title>By: rswood</title>
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		<dc:creator>rswood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 04:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I love most is how every &quot;denier&quot; is eventually linked, somehow, to ExxonMobil. I think in this case the Video News Reel that went out with this report was put together by a group that once received money from Exxon.

You can always find a link--it would be fun to track down all the connections IPCC scientists have to Exxon, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I love most is how every &#8220;denier&#8221; is eventually linked, somehow, to ExxonMobil. I think in this case the Video News Reel that went out with this report was put together by a group that once received money from Exxon.</p>
<p>You can always find a link&#8211;it would be fun to track down all the connections IPCC scientists have to Exxon, too.</p>
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		<title>By: jstanley01</title>
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		<dc:creator>jstanley01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROFLMAO!</description>
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		<title>By: Eric Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disclaimer: I am endorsing neither a low fat diet nor a low-carb diet, but something another person posted above caught my eye.  Something about &quot;myths . . . based on a conflation of correlation and causation.&quot;

Let&#039;s see what Taubes&#039; article in the Times states:

He states that some researchers believe &quot;we are in the midst of an obesity epidemic that started around the early 1980&#039;s, and that this was coincident with the rise of the low-fat dogma.&quot;

Yep.  It also happens to be coincident with personal computers, Atari, Nintendo and, later, xBox.  Not to mention 50-channel, 24-hour cable TV.  Schools cutting back on physical education.  Microwave ovens and quick, pre-prepared meals.  Fast Food Nation.  The rise of the VCR and the subsequent DVD player.  Blockbuster stores in each town, and later, NetFlix -- you don&#039;t even need to leave home now to get a movie.  Pay-per-View and TIVO -- no need to even step up from the couch.

There are plenty of well-documented and obvious changes in our collective lifestyle over the past 25-30 years.  To suggest that obesity in America has been caused by the small handful of self-disciplined folks who have managed to start and stick with a low-fat diet stretches credulity.  As far as reasons for an obesity epidemic, it doesn&#039;t even make the top 10.

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Now, in the spirit of staying on topic and bringing this comment back to global warming:

I&#039;m not much of a linker, but I did run across a parody last night that I thought was just too precious not to share.

Seems Al Gore is going to start parlaying his new-found Nobel Peace Prize celebrity into combatting the other great global catastrophe confronting mankind: obesity.  They&#039;re going to set up what is termed the &quot;Haagen-Dazs offsetting scheme.&quot;  Apparently, for every quart of ice cream you buy, some guy in India runs a lap in the forest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disclaimer: I am endorsing neither a low fat diet nor a low-carb diet, but something another person posted above caught my eye.  Something about &#8220;myths . . . based on a conflation of correlation and causation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see what Taubes&#8217; article in the Times states:</p>
<p>He states that some researchers believe &#8220;we are in the midst of an obesity epidemic that started around the early 1980&#8242;s, and that this was coincident with the rise of the low-fat dogma.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yep.  It also happens to be coincident with personal computers, Atari, Nintendo and, later, xBox.  Not to mention 50-channel, 24-hour cable TV.  Schools cutting back on physical education.  Microwave ovens and quick, pre-prepared meals.  Fast Food Nation.  The rise of the VCR and the subsequent DVD player.  Blockbuster stores in each town, and later, NetFlix &#8212; you don&#8217;t even need to leave home now to get a movie.  Pay-per-View and TIVO &#8212; no need to even step up from the couch.</p>
<p>There are plenty of well-documented and obvious changes in our collective lifestyle over the past 25-30 years.  To suggest that obesity in America has been caused by the small handful of self-disciplined folks who have managed to start and stick with a low-fat diet stretches credulity.  As far as reasons for an obesity epidemic, it doesn&#8217;t even make the top 10.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Now, in the spirit of staying on topic and bringing this comment back to global warming:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not much of a linker, but I did run across a parody last night that I thought was just too precious not to share.</p>
<p>Seems Al Gore is going to start parlaying his new-found Nobel Peace Prize celebrity into combatting the other great global catastrophe confronting mankind: obesity.  They&#8217;re going to set up what is termed the &#8220;Haagen-Dazs offsetting scheme.&#8221;  Apparently, for every quart of ice cream you buy, some guy in India runs a lap in the forest.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that ID critics don&#039;t make more use of the anti-AGW views of many ID proponents to try to discredit ID.

One would suspect that even they are not entirely convinced by Al Gore et al.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that ID critics don&#8217;t make more use of the anti-AGW views of many ID proponents to try to discredit ID.</p>
<p>One would suspect that even they are not entirely convinced by Al Gore et al.</p>
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		<title>By: Michaels7</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michaels7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so much for preview... correction,
 
replace 
&quot;allowed to speak honestly(no, not about ID)...&quot;

with
&quot;allowed to speak honestly(no, not favorably about ID)...&quot;

My point is he can bash ID all he wants, but to act like Thought Police and edit his word was shameful and oppressive actions.

We are living in America, da? da?

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so much for preview&#8230; correction,</p>
<p>replace<br />
&#8220;allowed to speak honestly(no, not about ID)&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>with<br />
&#8220;allowed to speak honestly(no, not favorably about ID)&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>My point is he can bash ID all he wants, but to act like Thought Police and edit his word was shameful and oppressive actions.</p>
<p>We are living in America, da? da?</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.uncommondescent.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michaels7</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michaels7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Dembski said re: allowing comparisons of science fields...

&quot;The reason is that global warming exhibits many of the same abuses of science that we see in the ID debate. Science has become a wonderful tool for social control. This role of science in modern secular culture is destructive and needs to be broken.&quot;

Exhibit 1)

&lt;b&gt;scientist should &quot;censor themselves&quot; in favor of &quot;orthodoxy?&quot;&lt;/b&gt; 

Are scientist opinions ever free of political pressures? From either side? In Global Warming or ID/evo debates?

According to Nick Matzke one should &quot;censor themselves...&quot; in favor of the Darwinian party line as he chastizes Dr Koonin recently in his use of words. Nothing to do with science at all, just words.

Nick Matzke says...
&quot;Until this week I worked at the National Center for Science Education, where we oppose the ID/creationists and develop a finely-tuned sense of the sorts of things they will pluck from the literature and desperately portray as evidence that they aren&#039;t completely nuts. However, &lt;b&gt;I am well aware that telling scientists to censor themselves&lt;/b&gt; to avoid giving creationists talking points is a non-starter, so hopefully my comments came out as being substantive rather than just the boring voice of orthodoxy.&quot;

Certainly, all Heil...

Science is &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; apolitical.

The &quot;boring voice&quot; insist all komrades adhere to the priestly doctrine of Darwin.

A Darwin Thoughtminder poisons the legitimate debate and the opposition with name-calling as &quot;nuts&quot; and reminds those of weak minds giving in to tempation not to stray from Master Darwin or materialist principles.

HT: evolutionnews.org
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&lt;b&gt;Censorship there, Censorship here&lt;/b&gt;

The movie by Al Gore was about another example of &quot;boring orthodoxy&quot; censoring information that might be miscontrued by the &quot;nuts&quot; as weak points in the global warming hypothesis.

Liberal news outlets as well employ such censoring of information. Howard Kutz did this on CNN in his thrashing of Ann Coulter recently at the conniving of Donny Deutsch. If you watched the presentation by CNN, you&#039;d think her the villain. When in fact, important facts were not played for the audience. 

Very few people are objective these days. By omitting key words, key data, key ideas, and parsing half  truths, then &quot;lies by omission&quot; are told. The reader or viewer is left to draw conclusions upon watered down talking points that omit &lt;b&gt;crucial truths&lt;/b&gt; cut in favorable bias of the presenter(s) on any subject or field. 

Since majority of todays media is liberal left, the majority of talking points are in their favor and &lt;b&gt;omission of truth&lt;/b&gt; left out in favor of opposition on most all subjects today. This is true in academia, follywood, tv and print.

Even with with internet blogging and talk radio the overwhelming amount of airspace is still in the hands of left &quot;orthodoxy&quot; with an agenda to push. 

Evolutionary ideas of RM &amp; NS is so entrenched in our society, so indoctrinated in our youth, it is difficult to get fair time.

It is good to see some fighting back in global climate variation  causes and questioning consensus thinking. It is also good to see attempts at honest science by Dr. Koonin, even if thinks ID crazy himself, he knows the evidence leads to &lt;b&gt;&quot;ready-made&quot;(oops, slash that out because of thought-minder Nick Matzke) and replace with the word &quot;abrupt.&quot;&lt;/b&gt; 

If more scientist like Mr. Koonin are allowed to speak honestly(no, not about ID) in terms that are truthful without fearing censorship from Darwin Thought-Minders, the debate and discussions turn out better for science, for students and for future discoveries and creative approaches by all sides. 

Eliminate neo-nazi like Darwinian thought-minding political dogmatic assertions from the orthodoxy and allow good scientist to have legitimate discussions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Dembski said re: allowing comparisons of science fields&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The reason is that global warming exhibits many of the same abuses of science that we see in the ID debate. Science has become a wonderful tool for social control. This role of science in modern secular culture is destructive and needs to be broken.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exhibit 1)</p>
<p><b>scientist should &#8220;censor themselves&#8221; in favor of &#8220;orthodoxy?&#8221;</b> </p>
<p>Are scientist opinions ever free of political pressures? From either side? In Global Warming or ID/evo debates?</p>
<p>According to Nick Matzke one should &#8220;censor themselves&#8230;&#8221; in favor of the Darwinian party line as he chastizes Dr Koonin recently in his use of words. Nothing to do with science at all, just words.</p>
<p>Nick Matzke says&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Until this week I worked at the National Center for Science Education, where we oppose the ID/creationists and develop a finely-tuned sense of the sorts of things they will pluck from the literature and desperately portray as evidence that they aren&#8217;t completely nuts. However, <b>I am well aware that telling scientists to censor themselves</b> to avoid giving creationists talking points is a non-starter, so hopefully my comments came out as being substantive rather than just the boring voice of orthodoxy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Certainly, all Heil&#8230;</p>
<p>Science is <b>not</b> apolitical.</p>
<p>The &#8220;boring voice&#8221; insist all komrades adhere to the priestly doctrine of Darwin.</p>
<p>A Darwin Thoughtminder poisons the legitimate debate and the opposition with name-calling as &#8220;nuts&#8221; and reminds those of weak minds giving in to tempation not to stray from Master Darwin or materialist principles.</p>
<p>HT: evolutionnews.org<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
<b>Censorship there, Censorship here</b></p>
<p>The movie by Al Gore was about another example of &#8220;boring orthodoxy&#8221; censoring information that might be miscontrued by the &#8220;nuts&#8221; as weak points in the global warming hypothesis.</p>
<p>Liberal news outlets as well employ such censoring of information. Howard Kutz did this on CNN in his thrashing of Ann Coulter recently at the conniving of Donny Deutsch. If you watched the presentation by CNN, you&#8217;d think her the villain. When in fact, important facts were not played for the audience. </p>
<p>Very few people are objective these days. By omitting key words, key data, key ideas, and parsing half  truths, then &#8220;lies by omission&#8221; are told. The reader or viewer is left to draw conclusions upon watered down talking points that omit <b>crucial truths</b> cut in favorable bias of the presenter(s) on any subject or field. </p>
<p>Since majority of todays media is liberal left, the majority of talking points are in their favor and <b>omission of truth</b> left out in favor of opposition on most all subjects today. This is true in academia, follywood, tv and print.</p>
<p>Even with with internet blogging and talk radio the overwhelming amount of airspace is still in the hands of left &#8220;orthodoxy&#8221; with an agenda to push. </p>
<p>Evolutionary ideas of RM &amp; NS is so entrenched in our society, so indoctrinated in our youth, it is difficult to get fair time.</p>
<p>It is good to see some fighting back in global climate variation  causes and questioning consensus thinking. It is also good to see attempts at honest science by Dr. Koonin, even if thinks ID crazy himself, he knows the evidence leads to <b>&#8220;ready-made&#8221;(oops, slash that out because of thought-minder Nick Matzke) and replace with the word &#8220;abrupt.&#8221;</b> </p>
<p>If more scientist like Mr. Koonin are allowed to speak honestly(no, not about ID) in terms that are truthful without fearing censorship from Darwin Thought-Minders, the debate and discussions turn out better for science, for students and for future discoveries and creative approaches by all sides. </p>
<p>Eliminate neo-nazi like Darwinian thought-minding political dogmatic assertions from the orthodoxy and allow good scientist to have legitimate discussions.</p>
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		<title>By: StuartHarris</title>
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		<dc:creator>StuartHarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“They’ve been brainwashing us for 20 years,” Gray says. “Starting with the nuclear winter and now with the global warming. This scare will also run its course. In 15-20 years, we’ll look back and see what a hoax this was.”

I sure hope we look back on it as a hoax, but the history of environmental alarmism says otherwise.  How much mainsteam press do you read that &quot;looks back&quot; at the global cooling scare of the &#039;70&#039;s, the giant ever-growing antarctic ozone hole that was going to wipe us out, and Paul Erlich&#039;s 60&#039;s predictions of global starvation?  Are they all routinely laughed off as Chicken Little stories?  No, they are simply erased from history.

When the global warming scare loses its steam won&#039;t there just be a new enviro-panic to take its place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“They’ve been brainwashing us for 20 years,” Gray says. “Starting with the nuclear winter and now with the global warming. This scare will also run its course. In 15-20 years, we’ll look back and see what a hoax this was.”</p>
<p>I sure hope we look back on it as a hoax, but the history of environmental alarmism says otherwise.  How much mainsteam press do you read that &#8220;looks back&#8221; at the global cooling scare of the &#8217;70&#8242;s, the giant ever-growing antarctic ozone hole that was going to wipe us out, and Paul Erlich&#8217;s 60&#8242;s predictions of global starvation?  Are they all routinely laughed off as Chicken Little stories?  No, they are simply erased from history.</p>
<p>When the global warming scare loses its steam won&#8217;t there just be a new enviro-panic to take its place?</p>
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		<title>By: Michaels7</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michaels7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaveScot,

the global weather system is what I pointed out in an earlier post regarding the South Pole ice cap growing at record size in balance to the North Pole, but several ignored in favor of snarking...

The Southpole ice cap growth this year broke all records going back to 1979 when first measurements were taken. Is this not &quot;peculiar&quot; that it corresponds to North record changes? 

Changes are taking place. But what? What are all the &quot;correlations&quot; involved to climate.

Snark aside, this it not merely about human causation and there is great evidence here of a wonderful balancing act heretofore unseen I think at these levels.

I think that the Chinese and Russian level of pollution especially soot as you&#039;ve pointed out previously is overlooked. But, what is interesting is a balance in the South.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaveScot,</p>
<p>the global weather system is what I pointed out in an earlier post regarding the South Pole ice cap growing at record size in balance to the North Pole, but several ignored in favor of snarking&#8230;</p>
<p>The Southpole ice cap growth this year broke all records going back to 1979 when first measurements were taken. Is this not &#8220;peculiar&#8221; that it corresponds to North record changes? </p>
<p>Changes are taking place. But what? What are all the &#8220;correlations&#8221; involved to climate.</p>
<p>Snark aside, this it not merely about human causation and there is great evidence here of a wonderful balancing act heretofore unseen I think at these levels.</p>
<p>I think that the Chinese and Russian level of pollution especially soot as you&#8217;ve pointed out previously is overlooked. But, what is interesting is a balance in the South.</p>
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		<title>By: MacT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MacT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the mythic connection between fat and heart disease &quot;

Aye.  Let&#039;s explode those other myths while we&#039;re at it, all of them based on a conflation of correlation and causation.  The scientific blood will flow, but oh, the bright dawn that awaits.  Bring it on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the mythic connection between fat and heart disease &#8221;</p>
<p>Aye.  Let&#8217;s explode those other myths while we&#8217;re at it, all of them based on a conflation of correlation and causation.  The scientific blood will flow, but oh, the bright dawn that awaits.  Bring it on.</p>
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		<title>By: allanius</title>
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		<dc:creator>allanius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary Taubes&#039; recent article in the &quot;Times&quot; about the collapse of the mythic connection between fat and heart disease is also instructive. For 50 years it made no difference what the actual evidence said, seen again and again in clincal studies. There was an enticing theory, and there was massive cultural investment in the theory; nothing else mattered. The modern addiction to theory has now been shown to be bad for one&#039;s health--literally. Theory is too vulnerable to human vanity to be reliable. The end of Modernism will come, then, with the insistence that theory be substanitated by experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary Taubes&#8217; recent article in the &#8220;Times&#8221; about the collapse of the mythic connection between fat and heart disease is also instructive. For 50 years it made no difference what the actual evidence said, seen again and again in clincal studies. There was an enticing theory, and there was massive cultural investment in the theory; nothing else mattered. The modern addiction to theory has now been shown to be bad for one&#8217;s health&#8211;literally. Theory is too vulnerable to human vanity to be reliable. The end of Modernism will come, then, with the insistence that theory be substanitated by experience.</p>
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