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		<title>By: Wakefield Tolbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wakefield Tolbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep the Hummer--but eat broccoli?

I trust some of you might have seen this, but I enjoyed this recent column from WPs George Will over morning coffee (wondering about my own &quot;carbon footprint&quot; due to coffee production and shipment fuel, etc., ) regarding &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/11/AR2007041102109.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fuzzy Math from the &quot;Carbonari&quot; Elite&lt;/a&gt; that needs a second glance before we can truly &quot;&lt;em&gt;Think Globally and Act Locally&lt;/em&gt;.&quot;

Will reminds us to think the math with a double take and think rationally as well--at least as if industrial civilization means something. I had mentioned greenhouse hypocrisy from its own greenhouse propriators as outlined by Robert Samuelson a couple of years ago. Here we see, as Bjorn Lomberg points out before his crucifixion, that Kyoto is just the &lt;em&gt;start&lt;/em&gt; of the costs, many of which are incalculable at this point, but perhaps in the trillions over half a century or so. Saving ice formations may not just cramp out style, but the very survival of our economy and those of us dependent on its successful running for things like sanitation and science.

In short, Will points out in very succinct form what previously the likes of Julian Simon and Michael Fumento and dozens of others have, about the REAL costs of NOT just Kyoto, but also the presumptions about what is more &quot;green&quot; than some other activities. For example, it seems Hummers are no more Greenhouse inducing than the lowly Prius (so enjoy your manly romps) when all international components shipments/fuel costs, battery ingredients, and so forth. Then too someone mentioned MEAT? Will points out that Nitrates are far more Carbonizing than, well, CARBON. The greenhouse effect of nitrogen is many-fold that of what we breath out. All told meat is murder to the planet, and not just because PETA says so. Turns out that per point, meat is more dangerous to the ice caps than (once again) the H-2 Hummer.

(&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;this post proudly carbon free&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;)

--SWT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep the Hummer&#8211;but eat broccoli?</p>
<p>I trust some of you might have seen this, but I enjoyed this recent column from WPs George Will over morning coffee (wondering about my own &#8220;carbon footprint&#8221; due to coffee production and shipment fuel, etc., ) regarding <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/11/AR2007041102109.html" rel="nofollow">Fuzzy Math from the &#8220;Carbonari&#8221; Elite</a> that needs a second glance before we can truly &#8220;<em>Think Globally and Act Locally</em>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Will reminds us to think the math with a double take and think rationally as well&#8211;at least as if industrial civilization means something. I had mentioned greenhouse hypocrisy from its own greenhouse propriators as outlined by Robert Samuelson a couple of years ago. Here we see, as Bjorn Lomberg points out before his crucifixion, that Kyoto is just the <em>start</em> of the costs, many of which are incalculable at this point, but perhaps in the trillions over half a century or so. Saving ice formations may not just cramp out style, but the very survival of our economy and those of us dependent on its successful running for things like sanitation and science.</p>
<p>In short, Will points out in very succinct form what previously the likes of Julian Simon and Michael Fumento and dozens of others have, about the REAL costs of NOT just Kyoto, but also the presumptions about what is more &#8220;green&#8221; than some other activities. For example, it seems Hummers are no more Greenhouse inducing than the lowly Prius (so enjoy your manly romps) when all international components shipments/fuel costs, battery ingredients, and so forth. Then too someone mentioned MEAT? Will points out that Nitrates are far more Carbonizing than, well, CARBON. The greenhouse effect of nitrogen is many-fold that of what we breath out. All told meat is murder to the planet, and not just because PETA says so. Turns out that per point, meat is more dangerous to the ice caps than (once again) the H-2 Hummer.</p>
<p>(<strong><em>this post proudly carbon free</em></strong>)</p>
<p>&#8211;SWT</p>
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		<title>By: DaveScot</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveScot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Do you consider Pres. Bush to be a whacko?&lt;/i&gt;

Not at all.  But everyone else does.  Check out all the leaders of poverty stricken countries screaming that the U.S. using corn to produce ethanol will lead to billions starving.

http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;rls=GFRC%2CGFRC%3A2006-49%2CGFRC%3Aen&amp;q=bush+ethanol+hunger

The thing is, this is REAL good for U.S. farmers and landowners in the grain belt (also known as &lt;i&gt;the bible belt&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;red states&lt;/i&gt;, and &lt;i&gt;Bush country&lt;/i&gt;).  They&#039;re making far more money selling corn at inflated prices to ethanol producers.  He&#039;ll happily play to the greenies in this regard.  People starving in third world countries don&#039;t vote Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Do you consider Pres. Bush to be a whacko?</i></p>
<p>Not at all.  But everyone else does.  Check out all the leaders of poverty stricken countries screaming that the U.S. using corn to produce ethanol will lead to billions starving.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;rls=GFRC%2CGFRC%3A2006-49%2CGFRC%3Aen&#038;q=bush+ethanol+hunger" rel="nofollow">http://news.google.com/news?so.....nol+hunger</a></p>
<p>The thing is, this is REAL good for U.S. farmers and landowners in the grain belt (also known as <i>the bible belt</i>, <i>red states</i>, and <i>Bush country</i>).  They&#8217;re making far more money selling corn at inflated prices to ethanol producers.  He&#8217;ll happily play to the greenies in this regard.  People starving in third world countries don&#8217;t vote Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: UrbanMysticDee</title>
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		<dc:creator>UrbanMysticDee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If humans became vegetarians wouldn&#039;t methane producing cattle populations increase since no one is decreasing their population by eathing them, furthering the so called man-made global warming?  Just kidding.  

Really, it&#039;s nice to find people who are also &quot;heretics&quot; in the Church of Global Warming like myself.  I must write something against man-made global warming (or as I like to call it fabricated global warming, because the whole idea is a fabrication) at least every other week on The Urban Mystic (http://journals.aol.com/ordinarymortal/TheUrbanMystic/), and have even devoted a section of an upcoming comic book (I&#039;m a cartoonist) to dispelling the myths and setting the facts straight.  Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If humans became vegetarians wouldn&#8217;t methane producing cattle populations increase since no one is decreasing their population by eathing them, furthering the so called man-made global warming?  Just kidding.  </p>
<p>Really, it&#8217;s nice to find people who are also &#8220;heretics&#8221; in the Church of Global Warming like myself.  I must write something against man-made global warming (or as I like to call it fabricated global warming, because the whole idea is a fabrication) at least every other week on The Urban Mystic (<a href="http://journals.aol.com/ordinarymortal/TheUrbanMystic/" rel="nofollow">http://journals.aol.com/ordina.....banMystic/</a>), and have even devoted a section of an upcoming comic book (I&#8217;m a cartoonist) to dispelling the myths and setting the facts straight.  Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: phonon</title>
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		<dc:creator>phonon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t corn prices shoot through the roof right after the 2006 SOTU address by Pres. Bush, where he touted the greatness of ethanol from corn? Do you consider Pres. Bush to be a whacko?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t corn prices shoot through the roof right after the 2006 SOTU address by Pres. Bush, where he touted the greatness of ethanol from corn? Do you consider Pres. Bush to be a whacko?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Output of beef, pork and chicken is expected to decline by one billion pounds as farmers react to the soaring cost of feeding their livestock.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Better late than never I guess.

Pork is nasty. Pig farms should be outlawed. The world would be a better place.

Chickens- I would never eat anything with a pecker in the middle of its face. :)

Beef- It takes more food to feed them than we get back. Raising cattle also takes grazing land. That land which could be used to grow the extra corn we could then use for fuel.

The world would be a much better place economically and ecologically if all humans just became vegetarians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Output of beef, pork and chicken is expected to decline by one billion pounds as farmers react to the soaring cost of feeding their livestock.</p></blockquote>
<p>Better late than never I guess.</p>
<p>Pork is nasty. Pig farms should be outlawed. The world would be a better place.</p>
<p>Chickens- I would never eat anything with a pecker in the middle of its face. <img src='http://www.uncommondescent.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Beef- It takes more food to feed them than we get back. Raising cattle also takes grazing land. That land which could be used to grow the extra corn we could then use for fuel.</p>
<p>The world would be a much better place economically and ecologically if all humans just became vegetarians.</p>
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		<title>By: angryoldfatman</title>
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		<dc:creator>angryoldfatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, how did those letters and numbers get into my last post? Must have been that ubiquitous RM+NS again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, how did those letters and numbers get into my last post? Must have been that ubiquitous RM+NS again.</p>
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		<title>By: angryoldfatman</title>
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		<dc:creator>angryoldfatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DanaMcgee, that can&#039;t possibly be. That&#039;s a fictitious document that has no relevance in this day and age rev 6:6.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DanaMcgee, that can&#8217;t possibly be. That&#8217;s a fictitious document that has no relevance in this day and age rev 6:6.</p>
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		<title>By: angryoldfatman</title>
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		<dc:creator>angryoldfatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember something a little more specific from that book now about the predicted situation. Something about food being so expensive that the average person would have to work an entire day just to get a few pounds of grain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember something a little more specific from that book now about the predicted situation. Something about food being so expensive that the average person would have to work an entire day just to get a few pounds of grain.</p>
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		<title>By: DanaMcgee</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanaMcgee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>angryoldfatman

THE BIBLE!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>angryoldfatman</p>
<p>THE BIBLE!!</p>
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		<title>By: angryoldfatman</title>
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		<dc:creator>angryoldfatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there was this book one time that predicted that we would have deceptive quasi-religious leaders, followed by global wars, global disease, global famine, and finally mass death and genocide.

Where did I read that? Think, think, think...

Oh wait...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there was this book one time that predicted that we would have deceptive quasi-religious leaders, followed by global wars, global disease, global famine, and finally mass death and genocide.</p>
<p>Where did I read that? Think, think, think&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh wait&#8230;</p>
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