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   bornagain77September 16, 2011 at 7:13 am

   A few notes on ‘spatial relations’ being a test for true consciousness as opposed to artificial intelligence of computers. First, as to ‘spatial relations’, I noticed that in this following video, on the optical effects for a observer approaching the speed of light, that the 3- Spatial Dimensions, we currently live in, ‘folded and collapsed’ into a tunnel shape, around the direction of travel, as the observer approached the constant of the speed of light.,,,

   Traveling At The Speed Of Light – Optical Effects – video
   http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5733303/

   Here is the interactive website, put together by the Australian University Physics professors, which is directly related to the preceding video;

   Seeing Relativity
   http://www.anu.edu.au/Physics/Searle/

   Please note the ‘light at the end of the tunnel’, at the 3:22 minute mark of the preceding video, which uncannily matches very many of the Judeo-Christian Near Death Experience testimonies of western cultures;

   The NDE and the Tunnel – Kevin Williams’ research conclusions
   Excerpt: I started to move toward the light. The way I moved, the physics, was completely different than it is here on Earth. It was something I had never felt before and never felt since. It was a whole different sensation of motion. I obviously wasn’t walking or skipping or crawling. I was not floating. I was flowing. I was flowing toward the light. I was accelerating and I knew I was accelerating, but then again, I didn’t really feel the acceleration. I just knew I was accelerating toward the light. Again, the physics was different – the physics of motion of time, space, travel. It was completely different in that tunnel, than it is here on Earth. I came out into the light and when I came out into the light, I realized that I was in heaven.(Barbara Springer)

   Near Death Experience – The Tunnel – video
   http://www.vimeo.com/29021432

   Near Death Experience – The Tunnel, The Light, The Life Review – video
   http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4200200/

   Also of related note to how the 3-Dimension world folds and collapses into a tunnel shape, as the ‘higher dimension’ of the speed of light is approached, is the ‘eternality of time’ revealed by the time dilation of special relativity.

   “I’ve just developed a new theory of eternity.”
   Albert Einstein – The Einstein Factor – Reader’s Digest

   “The laws of relativity have changed timeless existence from a theological claim to a physical reality. Light, you see, is outside of time, a fact of nature proven in thousands of experiments at hundreds of universities. I don’t pretend to know how tomorrow can exist simultaneously with today and yesterday. But at the speed of light they actually and rigorously do. Time does not pass.”
   Richard Swenson – More Than Meets The Eye, Chpt. 12

   This higher dimension, ‘eternal’, inference for the time framework of light is warranted because light is not ‘frozen within time’ yet it is shown that time, as we understand it, does not pass for light.

   Experimental confirmation of Time Dilation
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....nfirmation

   But since the material particles, of the person’s body who is having a Near Death Experience, are clearly ‘staying behind’ as the person is having the Near Death Experience, then, of course, the consciousness of the person must be based in something other than the material particles of the body. Something that is transcendent of the material realm. Also of interest, as the Cern Particle Accelerator readily testifies, it is not ‘natural’ for material particles to approach the speed of light and, indeed, takes a massive amount of energy for even sub-atomic particles to closely approach the speed of light. This transcendent something, on which human consciousness is actually based instead of the material particles, is quantum information. Quantum Information is shown to be foundational to the human body here:

   Quantum Information/Entanglement In DNA & Protein Folding – short video
   http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5936605/

   Coherent Intrachain energy migration at room temperature – Elisabetta Collini & Gregory Scholes – University of Toronto – Science, 323, (2009), pp. 369-73
   Excerpt: The authors conducted an experiment to observe quantum coherence dynamics in relation to energy transfer. The experiment, conducted at room temperature, examined chain conformations, such as those found in the proteins of living cells. Neighbouring molecules along the backbone of a protein chain were seen to have coherent energy transfer. Where this happens quantum decoherence (the underlying tendency to loss of coherence due to interaction with the environment) is able to be resisted, and the evolution of the system remains entangled as a single quantum state.
   http://www.scimednet.org/quant.....d-protein/

   Quantum states in proteins and protein assemblies:
   The essence of life? – STUART HAMEROFF, JACK TUSZYNSKI
   Excerpt: It is, in fact, the hydrophobic effect and attractions among non-polar hydrophobic groups by van der Waals forces which drive protein folding. Although the confluence of hydrophobic side groups are small, roughly 1/30 to 1/250 of protein volumes, they exert enormous influence in the regulation of protein dynamics and function. Several hydrophobic pockets may work cooperatively in a single protein (Figure 2, Left). Hydrophobic pockets may be considered the “brain” or nervous system of each protein.,,, Proteins, lipids and nucleic acids are composed of constituent molecules which have both non-polar and polar regions on opposite ends. In an aqueous medium the non-polar regions of any of these components will join together to form hydrophobic regions where quantum forces reign.
   http://www.tony5m17h.net/SHJTQprotein.pdf

   Myosin Coherence
   Excerpt: Quantum physics and molecular biology are two disciplines that have evolved relatively independently. However, recently a wealth of evidence has demonstrated the importance of quantum mechanics for biological systems and thus a new field of quantum biology is emerging. Living systems have mastered the making and breaking of chemical bonds, which are quantum mechanical phenomena. Absorbance of frequency specific radiation (e.g. photosynthesis and vision), conversion of chemical energy into mechanical motion (e.g. ATP cleavage) and single electron transfers through biological polymers (e.g. DNA or proteins) are all quantum mechanical effects.
   http://www.energetic-medicine......Page1.html
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   bornagain77September 16, 2011 at 7:14 am

   Whereas, quantum information is strongly implicated in human consciousness here:

   Quantum Coherence and Consciousness – Scientific Proof of ‘Mind’ – video
   http://www.metacafe.com/watch/6266865/

   Particular quote of note from preceding video;

   “Wolf Singer Director of the Max Planck Institute for Brain Research (Frankfurt) has found evidence of simultaneous oscillations in separate areas of the cortex, accurately synchronized in phase as well as frequency. He suggests that the oscillations are synchronized from some common source, but the actual source has never been located.”
   James J. Hurtak, Ph.D.

   Brain ‘entanglement’ could explain memories – January 2010
   Excerpt: In both cases, the researchers noticed that the voltage of the electrical signal in groups of neurons separated by up to 10 millimetres sometimes rose and fell with exactly the same rhythm. These patterns of activity, dubbed “coherence potentials”, often started in one set of neurons, only to be mimicked or “cloned” by others milliseconds later. They were also much more complicated than the simple phase-locked oscillations and always matched each other in amplitude as well as in frequency. (Perfect clones) “The precision with which these new sites pick up on the activity of the initiating group is quite astounding – they are perfect clones,” says Plen
   http://www.uncommondescent.com.....ent-399098

   And quantum information is shown to be transcendent of any material basis here:

   Quantum Entanglement – The Failure Of Local Realism – Materialism – Alain Aspect – video
   http://www.metacafe.com/w/4744145

   The falsification for local realism (materialism) was recently greatly strengthened:

   Physicists close two loopholes while violating local realism – November 2010
   Excerpt: The latest test in quantum mechanics provides even stronger support than before for the view that nature violates local realism and is thus in contradiction with a classical worldview.
   http://www.physorg.com/news/20.....alism.html

   This following study adds to Alain Aspect’s work in Quantum Mechanics and solidly refutes the ‘hidden variable’ argument that has been used by materialists to try to get around the Theistic implications of the instantaneous ‘spooky action at a distance’ found in quantum mechanics.

   Quantum Measurements: Common Sense Is Not Enough, Physicists Show – July 2009
   Excerpt: scientists have now proven comprehensively in an experiment for the first time that the experimentally observed phenomena cannot be described by non-contextual models with hidden variables.
   http://www.sciencedaily.com/re.....142824.htm

   Light and Quantum Entanglement Reflect Some Characteristics Of God – video
   http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4102182

   And quantum information is shown to be ‘conserved’ here;

   Quantum no-hiding theorem experimentally confirmed for first time
   Excerpt: In the classical world, information can be copied and deleted at will. In the quantum world, however, the conservation of quantum information means that information cannot be created nor destroyed. This concept stems from two fundamental theorems of quantum mechanics: the no-cloning theorem and the no-deleting theorem. A third and related theorem, called the no-hiding theorem, addresses information loss in the quantum world. According to the no-hiding theorem, if information is missing from one system (which may happen when the system interacts with the environment), then the information is simply residing somewhere else in the Universe; in other words, the missing information cannot be hidden in the correlations between a system and its environment.
   http://www.physorg.com/news/20.....tally.html

   Of related note; I really enjoyed Michael Egnor’s take down on Artificial Intelligence not being truly conscious;

   The Mind and Materialist Superstition – Six “conditions of mind” that are irreconcilable with materialism:
   http://www.evolutionnews.org/2.....super.html

   Foot notes:

   Quantum mind–body problem
   Parallels between quantum mechanics and mind/body dualism were first drawn by the founders of quantum mechanics including Erwin Schrödinger, Werner Heisenberg, Wolfgang Pauli, Niels Bohr, and Eugene Wigner – Wikipedia

   “It was not possible to formulate the laws (of quantum theory) in a fully consistent way without reference to consciousness.” Eugene Wigner (1902 -1995) from his collection of essays “Symmetries and Reflections – Scientific Essays”; Eugene Wigner laid the foundation for the theory of symmetries in quantum mechanics, for which he received the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1963.

   The Unbearable Wholeness of Beings – Steve Talbott
   Excerpt: Virtually the same collection of molecules exists in the canine cells during the moments immediately before and after death. But after the fateful transition no one will any longer think of genes as being regulated, nor will anyone refer to normal or proper chromosome functioning. No molecules will be said to guide other molecules to specific targets, and no molecules will be carrying signals, which is just as well because there will be no structures recognizing signals. Code, information, and communication, in their biological sense, will have disappeared from the scientist’s vocabulary.
   http://www.thenewatlantis.com/.....-of-beings
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   bornagain77September 16, 2011 at 7:58 am

   Sorry wrong link, here is the corrected link for the Michael Egnor article:

   Can a Computer Think? – Michael Egnor
   Excerpt: The Turing test isn’t a test of a computer. Computers can’t take tests, because computers can’t think. The Turing test is a test of us. If a computer “passes” it, we fail it. We fail because of our hubris, a delusion that seems to be something original in us. The Turing test is a test of whether human beings have succumbed to the astonishingly naive hubris that we can create souls.
   http://www.evolutionnews.org/2.....45141.html
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   tragic mishapSeptember 17, 2011 at 10:52 am

   The only difference in principle between computers and people is free will. In practice there are probably more differences.