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		<title>By: DeepDesign</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/legal/expelled-plagiarizing-harvard/comment-page-7/#comment-230041</link>
		<dc:creator>DeepDesign</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angry Old Fat Man. Now that&#039;s a great name. Haha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angry Old Fat Man. Now that&#8217;s a great name. Haha.</p>
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		<title>By: O'Leary</title>
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		<dc:creator>O'Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it has not been mentioned already, some here maay wish to check out PZ Myers&#039; &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/about_that_cell_video_in_expel.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;revised&lt;/a&gt; views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it has not been mentioned already, some here maay wish to check out PZ Myers&#8217; <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/about_that_cell_video_in_expel.php" rel="nofollow">revised</a> views.</p>
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		<title>By: Lutepisc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lutepisc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jack.

It looks like I was (at least!) an hour behind on my post. I just now read DaveScot&#039;s post &quot;Bolinski...Backed Down...&quot; which does a better job of saying &quot;all this is moot.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jack.</p>
<p>It looks like I was (at least!) an hour behind on my post. I just now read DaveScot&#8217;s post &#8220;Bolinski&#8230;Backed Down&#8230;&#8221; which does a better job of saying &#8220;all this is moot.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Frost122585</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/legal/expelled-plagiarizing-harvard/comment-page-7/#comment-229921</link>
		<dc:creator>Frost122585</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ve got nothing on that video. It doesn&#039;t even look hat much like the Harvard one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ve got nothing on that video. It doesn&#8217;t even look hat much like the Harvard one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Krebs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Krebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to Lutepisc: no one has sued anyone or filed for any injunction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to Lutepisc: no one has sued anyone or filed for any injunction.</p>
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		<title>By: Apollos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apollos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaveScot wrote:&lt;blockquote&gt;The only thing I can see XVIVO actually claiming is style, processes, and algorithms.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As far as I can tell, the only claim they have would be style. You just can&#039;t steal a computer graphics process or algorithm just by looking at the output. Even a &quot;reverse engineering&quot; of certain motions and materials would result in very different processes to produce and render them. To obtain an algorithm would require espionage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaveScot wrote:<br />
<blockquote>The only thing I can see XVIVO actually claiming is style, processes, and algorithms.</p></blockquote>
<p>As far as I can tell, the only claim they have would be style. You just can&#8217;t steal a computer graphics process or algorithm just by looking at the output. Even a &#8220;reverse engineering&#8221; of certain motions and materials would result in very different processes to produce and render them. To obtain an algorithm would require espionage.</p>
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		<title>By: Lutepisc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lutepisc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allen MacNeill tells us that &quot;...immediate legal action will be taken to stop the release of the film.&quot;

However, over on Dawkins&#039; blog (I don&#039;t know how to do the link thingie, so take my word for this, check it out, or leave it--as you wish) there is a letter which is allegedly from David Bolinsky (the XVIVO medical illustrator who supposedly filed the suit along with the request for a preemptive injunction [IANAL, so my terminology here may be mistaken] to prevent the showing of Expelled) addressed to William Dembski, inter alia.

In it, Mr. Bolinsky says, &quot;So go ahead and release your movie. Just keep track of how many tickets you sell. We may just find that data valuable, too.&quot;

If this is indeed from Mr. Bolinsky, he is now apparently giving permission to release the movie, in spite of his earlier request that it not be released. One might argue that Mr. Bolinsky is using sarcasm in this letter. However, that is not at all clear to me, and it may not be clear to Expelled&#039;s producers, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen MacNeill tells us that &#8220;&#8230;immediate legal action will be taken to stop the release of the film.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, over on Dawkins&#8217; blog (I don&#8217;t know how to do the link thingie, so take my word for this, check it out, or leave it&#8211;as you wish) there is a letter which is allegedly from David Bolinsky (the XVIVO medical illustrator who supposedly filed the suit along with the request for a preemptive injunction [IANAL, so my terminology here may be mistaken] to prevent the showing of Expelled) addressed to William Dembski, inter alia.</p>
<p>In it, Mr. Bolinsky says, &#8220;So go ahead and release your movie. Just keep track of how many tickets you sell. We may just find that data valuable, too.&#8221;</p>
<p>If this is indeed from Mr. Bolinsky, he is now apparently giving permission to release the movie, in spite of his earlier request that it not be released. One might argue that Mr. Bolinsky is using sarcasm in this letter. However, that is not at all clear to me, and it may not be clear to Expelled&#8217;s producers, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Helio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But it is not a crime, it is only alleged at this point. And what if theaters don&#039;t show Expelled because of intimidation, and the case goes to court and Expelled wins. Then Expelled could sue the theaters which had a contract to show the film, but caved-in and broke that contract under pressure from people without a case.

I say again, &quot;roll the film!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it is not a crime, it is only alleged at this point. And what if theaters don&#8217;t show Expelled because of intimidation, and the case goes to court and Expelled wins. Then Expelled could sue the theaters which had a contract to show the film, but caved-in and broke that contract under pressure from people without a case.</p>
<p>I say again, &#8220;roll the film!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DaveScot</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveScot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sparc

Near as I can tell none of the stuff XVIVO mentions is protected by copyright.  Copyrights exclude methods, ideas, processes, styles and a lot of other things that go into a copyrighted work.  For instance, styles are protected by design patents.  These protect a unique &quot;look &amp; feel&quot;.  Software algorithms can be patented with utility patents.  You can&#039;t protect styles and algorithms with copyrights.  The only thing I can see XVIVO actually claiming is style, processes, and algorithms.  If they think they can protect those with a copyright they have another think coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sparc</p>
<p>Near as I can tell none of the stuff XVIVO mentions is protected by copyright.  Copyrights exclude methods, ideas, processes, styles and a lot of other things that go into a copyrighted work.  For instance, styles are protected by design patents.  These protect a unique &#8220;look &#038; feel&#8221;.  Software algorithms can be patented with utility patents.  You can&#8217;t protect styles and algorithms with copyrights.  The only thing I can see XVIVO actually claiming is style, processes, and algorithms.  If they think they can protect those with a copyright they have another think coming.</p>
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		<title>By: utidjian</title>
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		<dc:creator>utidjian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helio,

Showing the film makes them a party to the &quot;crime&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helio,</p>
<p>Showing the film makes them a party to the &#8220;crime&#8221;.</p>
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