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		<title>By: bornagain77</title>
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		<dc:creator>bornagain77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 23:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just when you think you&#039;ve seen it all:

Wingsuit flying with rocketboots - CRAZY! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HMdioj6kng


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BASE wingsuit mountain swooping 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1p3pS2XV4A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just when you think you&#8217;ve seen it all:</p>
<p>Wingsuit flying with rocketboots &#8211; CRAZY!<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HMdioj6kng" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HMdioj6kng</a></p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>BASE wingsuit mountain swooping<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1p3pS2XV4A" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1p3pS2XV4A</a></p>
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		<title>By: bornagain77</title>
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		<dc:creator>bornagain77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 22:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much better Off topic:
The hand of God... or Darwin. HDV starling footage cut to Pachelbel 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D36ujD-FUl4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much better Off topic:<br />
The hand of God&#8230; or Darwin. HDV starling footage cut to Pachelbel<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D36ujD-FUl4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D36ujD-FUl4</a></p>
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		<title>By: bornagain77</title>
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		<dc:creator>bornagain77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 22:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic:

Immense murmuration of Spectacular Starlings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vhE8ScWe7w</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic:</p>
<p>Immense murmuration of Spectacular Starlings<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vhE8ScWe7w" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vhE8ScWe7w</a></p>
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		<title>By: DLH</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 17:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William Dembski re &lt;blockquote&gt;Zettabytes appear explicitly in my 2004 THE DESIGN REVOLUTION (p. 120):&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Now why didn&#039;t I remember that?
Good reminder to dig deeper before going along with reporter enthusiasm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William Dembski re<br />
<blockquote>Zettabytes appear explicitly in my 2004 THE DESIGN REVOLUTION (p. 120):</p></blockquote>
<p>Now why didn&#8217;t I remember that?<br />
Good reminder to dig deeper before going along with reporter enthusiasm.</p>
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		<title>By: bornagain77</title>
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		<dc:creator>bornagain77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 15:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>andrewjg: some more &quot;useless&quot; knowledge:

MapReduce: simplified data processing on large clusters
Excerpt:,,, an average of one hundred thousand MapReduce jobs are executed on Google&#039;s clusters every day, processing a total of more than twenty petabytes of data per day.
http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=1327452.1327492

i.e. Google processes 20 petabytes of data per day. That is, 20,000,000,000,000,000 bytes every day. This works out to around 231,000,000,000 bytes per second!!!

which reminds me of these articles:

Cells Are Like Robust Computational Systems, - June 2009 
Excerpt: Gene regulatory networks in cell nuclei are similar to cloud computing networks, such as Google or Yahoo!, researchers report today in the online journal Molecular Systems Biology. The similarity is that each system keeps working despite the failure of individual components, whether they are master genes or computer processors. ,,,,&quot;We now have reason to think of cells as robust computational devices, employing redundancy in the same way that enables large computing systems, such as Amazon, to keep operating despite the fact that servers routinely fail.&quot; 
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090616103205.htm

Nanoelectronic Transistor Combined With Biological Machine Could Lead To Better Electronics: - Aug. 2009
Excerpt: While modern communication devices rely on electric fields and currents to carry the flow of information, biological systems are much more complex. They use an arsenal of membrane receptors, channels and pumps to control signal transduction that is unmatched by even the most powerful computers. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090811091834.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andrewjg: some more &#8220;useless&#8221; knowledge:</p>
<p>MapReduce: simplified data processing on large clusters<br />
Excerpt:,,, an average of one hundred thousand MapReduce jobs are executed on Google&#8217;s clusters every day, processing a total of more than twenty petabytes of data per day.<br />
<a href="http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=1327452.1327492" rel="nofollow">http://portal.acm.org/citation.....52.1327492</a></p>
<p>i.e. Google processes 20 petabytes of data per day. That is, 20,000,000,000,000,000 bytes every day. This works out to around 231,000,000,000 bytes per second!!!</p>
<p>which reminds me of these articles:</p>
<p>Cells Are Like Robust Computational Systems, &#8211; June 2009<br />
Excerpt: Gene regulatory networks in cell nuclei are similar to cloud computing networks, such as Google or Yahoo!, researchers report today in the online journal Molecular Systems Biology. The similarity is that each system keeps working despite the failure of individual components, whether they are master genes or computer processors. ,,,,&#8221;We now have reason to think of cells as robust computational devices, employing redundancy in the same way that enables large computing systems, such as Amazon, to keep operating despite the fact that servers routinely fail.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090616103205.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.com/re.....103205.htm</a></p>
<p>Nanoelectronic Transistor Combined With Biological Machine Could Lead To Better Electronics: &#8211; Aug. 2009<br />
Excerpt: While modern communication devices rely on electric fields and currents to carry the flow of information, biological systems are much more complex. They use an arsenal of membrane receptors, channels and pumps to control signal transduction that is unmatched by even the most powerful computers. <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090811091834.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.com/re.....091834.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bornagain77</title>
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		<dc:creator>bornagain77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 20:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>100 gigabyte per second 

1 x 10^38 bytes

1 x 10^11 bytes per second
=
1 x 10^27 seconds
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Did anybody bring a lunch? I think this is going to take a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100 gigabyte per second </p>
<p>1 x 10^38 bytes</p>
<p>1 x 10^11 bytes per second<br />
=<br />
1 x 10^27 seconds<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Did anybody bring a lunch? I think this is going to take a while.</p>
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		<title>By: bornagain77</title>
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		<dc:creator>bornagain77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 19:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DLH, I just stumble across a couple of Gitt&#039;s quotes:

DNA molecules contain the highest known packing density of information.  This exceedingly brilliant storage method reaches the limit of the physically possible, namely down to the level of single molecules.  At this level the information density is more than 10^21bits/cm3.
W. Gitt, In The Beginning Was Information, pg 195.
 
Man is undoubtedly the most complex information processing system existing on the earth.  The total number of bits handled daily in all information processing events occuring in the human body, is 3 x 10^24.  The number of bits being processed daily in the human body is more than a million times the total amount of human knowledge stored in all the libraries of the world, which is about 10^18 bits.
W. Gitt, In The Beginning Was Information, pg 88. 

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mkent595/MolecularBiology.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DLH, I just stumble across a couple of Gitt&#8217;s quotes:</p>
<p>DNA molecules contain the highest known packing density of information.  This exceedingly brilliant storage method reaches the limit of the physically possible, namely down to the level of single molecules.  At this level the information density is more than 10^21bits/cm3.<br />
W. Gitt, In The Beginning Was Information, pg 195.</p>
<p>Man is undoubtedly the most complex information processing system existing on the earth.  The total number of bits handled daily in all information processing events occuring in the human body, is 3 x 10^24.  The number of bits being processed daily in the human body is more than a million times the total amount of human knowledge stored in all the libraries of the world, which is about 10^18 bits.<br />
W. Gitt, In The Beginning Was Information, pg 88. </p>
<p><a href="http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mkent595/MolecularBiology.html" rel="nofollow">http://mywebpages.comcast.net/.....ology.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: William Dembski</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Dembski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 13:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zettabytes appear explicitly in my 2004 THE DESIGN REVOLUTION (p. 120):

http://books.google.com/books?id=sKVqpXqE0VwC&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=DEMBSKI+DESIGN+REVOLUTION+ZETTABYTES&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=0tyndT2U3i&amp;sig=gnIcdDRNskLSEEHsbxA2dVQPhBE&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=RXfhS7POL4uE8wT32ayPAw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;q=ZETTABYTES&amp;f=false</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zettabytes appear explicitly in my 2004 THE DESIGN REVOLUTION (p. 120):</p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=sKVqpXqE0VwC&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;dq=DEMBSKI+DESIGN+REVOLUTION+ZETTABYTES&#038;source=bl&#038;ots=0tyndT2U3i&#038;sig=gnIcdDRNskLSEEHsbxA2dVQPhBE&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=RXfhS7POL4uE8wT32ayPAw&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=1&#038;ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&#038;q=ZETTABYTES&#038;f=false" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?.....38;f=false</a></p>
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		<title>By: bornagain77</title>
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		<dc:creator>bornagain77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 11:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>andrewjg, you&#039;ve probably seen this number before, yet if you haven&#039;t the largest &quot;material&quot; number I&#039;ve ever seen semi-directly associated with &quot;information&quot; is this one:

According to esteemed British mathematical physicist Roger Penrose (1931-present), the odds of one particular individual constant, the “original phase-space volume” of the universe, required such precision that the “Creator’s aim must have been to an accuracy of 1 part in 10^10^123”. This number is gargantuan. If this number were written out in its entirety, 1 with 10^123 zeros to the right, it could not be written on a piece of paper the size of the entire visible universe, even if a number were written down on each sub-atomic particle in the entire universe, since the universe only has 10^80 sub-atomic particles in it.

Roger Penrose discusses initial entropy of the universe. - video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhGdVMBk6Zo

The Physics of the Small and Large: What is the Bridge Between Them? Roger Penrose
Excerpt: &quot;The time-asymmetry is fundamentally connected to with the Second Law of Thermodynamics: indeed, the extraordinarily special nature (to a greater precision than about 1 in 10^10^123, in terms of phase-space volume) can be identified as the &quot;source&quot; of the Second Law (Entropy).&quot; http://www.pul.it/irafs/CD%20IRAFS%2702/texts/Penrose.pdf

How special was the big bang? - Roger Penrose
Excerpt: This now tells us how precise the Creator&#039;s aim must have been: namely to an accuracy of one part in 10^10^123. (from the Emperor’s New Mind, Penrose, pp 339-345 - 1989)
http://www.ws5.com/Penrose/

This 1 in 10^10^123 number, for the time-asymmetry of the initial state of entropy for the universe, also lends strong support for &quot;highly specified infinite information&quot; creating the universe since;

&quot;Gain in entropy always means loss of information, and nothing more.&quot;
Gilbert Newton Lewis - 1923	Authored Thermodynamics and the Free Energy of Chemical Substances with M. Randall. 
http://www.woodrow.org/teachers/ci/1992/Lewis.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andrewjg, you&#8217;ve probably seen this number before, yet if you haven&#8217;t the largest &#8220;material&#8221; number I&#8217;ve ever seen semi-directly associated with &#8220;information&#8221; is this one:</p>
<p>According to esteemed British mathematical physicist Roger Penrose (1931-present), the odds of one particular individual constant, the “original phase-space volume” of the universe, required such precision that the “Creator’s aim must have been to an accuracy of 1 part in 10^10^123”. This number is gargantuan. If this number were written out in its entirety, 1 with 10^123 zeros to the right, it could not be written on a piece of paper the size of the entire visible universe, even if a number were written down on each sub-atomic particle in the entire universe, since the universe only has 10^80 sub-atomic particles in it.</p>
<p>Roger Penrose discusses initial entropy of the universe. &#8211; video<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhGdVMBk6Zo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhGdVMBk6Zo</a></p>
<p>The Physics of the Small and Large: What is the Bridge Between Them? Roger Penrose<br />
Excerpt: &#8220;The time-asymmetry is fundamentally connected to with the Second Law of Thermodynamics: indeed, the extraordinarily special nature (to a greater precision than about 1 in 10^10^123, in terms of phase-space volume) can be identified as the &#8220;source&#8221; of the Second Law (Entropy).&#8221; <a href="http://www.pul.it/irafs/CD%20IRAFS%2702/texts/Penrose.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.pul.it/irafs/CD%20I.....enrose.pdf</a></p>
<p>How special was the big bang? &#8211; Roger Penrose<br />
Excerpt: This now tells us how precise the Creator&#8217;s aim must have been: namely to an accuracy of one part in 10^10^123. (from the Emperor’s New Mind, Penrose, pp 339-345 &#8211; 1989)<br />
<a href="http://www.ws5.com/Penrose/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ws5.com/Penrose/</a></p>
<p>This 1 in 10^10^123 number, for the time-asymmetry of the initial state of entropy for the universe, also lends strong support for &#8220;highly specified infinite information&#8221; creating the universe since;</p>
<p>&#8220;Gain in entropy always means loss of information, and nothing more.&#8221;<br />
Gilbert Newton Lewis &#8211; 1923	Authored Thermodynamics and the Free Energy of Chemical Substances with M. Randall.<br />
<a href="http://www.woodrow.org/teachers/ci/1992/Lewis.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.woodrow.org/teachers/ci/1992/Lewis.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: andrewjg</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrewjg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 09:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bornagain

Me to.  I am just not very good at cataloging it.  I often find your links interesting e.g. the Euler one recently.</description>
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<p>Me to.  I am just not very good at cataloging it.  I often find your links interesting e.g. the Euler one recently.</p>
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