Comments on: Wikipedia Suppresses Info On Haldane’s Dilemma

By: Caleb Rookwood

Caleb Rookwood — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:02:34 +0000

JoshuaZ is said there to be part of the “the scientistic cabal that rules over all the creationism-related pages.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W.....ip/JoshuaZ

Here we find that Felonious is a “highly partisan and sometimes disruptive editor” who works with a clique and avoids proper Wikipedia channels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W.....oniousMonk

With admins like these no wonder Wikipedia is falling apart. I just hope they repent and accept their Savior.

Admin note: this comment was edited to move the long URL out the first line.

By: Joseph

Joseph — Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:15:10 +0000

JohnnyB-

Don’t forget the selection process could also be different in a design scenario. We all know how powerful artificial selection has been observed to be. And goal-oriented GAs provide a type of artificial selection…

By: Lord Timothy

Lord Timothy — Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:23:33 +0000

http://www1.minn.net/~science/Haldane.htm
Remine’s own website is the best source I know of.

By: dodgingcars

dodgingcars — Wed, 24 Jan 2007 06:19:29 +0000

Can someone point me to a good link or other source that talks about Haldane’s Dilemma?

By: dodgingcars

dodgingcars — Wed, 24 Jan 2007 06:18:33 +0000

Forgive all my typos in my last post… some if it’s barely coherent. I think I was in a rush! Yeah… That’s the ticket!

By: Patrick

Patrick — Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:56:26 +0000

If you want to know about the history of video games, youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll get a pretty good article.

Ever heard the term “fanboy”?

By: johnnyb

johnnyb — Wed, 24 Jan 2007 03:01:01 +0000

Just for the record, I want to point out that Haldane’s dilemma is only a dilemma for non-telic evolution. Telic evolution does not have the same problem, because (a) the mutations are not independent, and thus can occur in multiple organisms simulataneously, and (b) there may be mechanisms of transferring the mutations in non-descent mechanisms (such as viruses).

By: DaveScot

DaveScot — Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:55:35 +0000

Gil,

On Haldane’s Dilemma, I’ve determined the evolutionist argument goes like this:

Orthodox evolution theory is a fact, not a theory. Therefore Haldane’s Dilemma must be wrong.

And that’s all NeoDarwinists have to say about that.

By: GilDodgen

GilDodgen — Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:38:11 +0000

I checked out the article that Walter ReMine referenced at ARN: http://creationwiki.org/Haldane%27s_Dilemma.

ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s amazing the number of evolutionarily optimistic assumptions Haldane made and still came up with an impossible scenario for NDE. In addition, attempts to discount HaldaneÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Dilemma by NDEists represent a real lesson in masterful epicycle generation and proliferation.

Ironically, HaldaneÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Dilemma is not a dilemma at all, since macroevolution never took place through random mutation and natural selection in the first place. It would only be a dilemma if it were not expected based on the evidence, and if there were any truth to the proposed creative powers of RM+NS.

By: Joseph

Joseph — Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:25:46 +0000

I am sure if one wanted to there could be a weekly article titled:

“Wikipedia Suppresses Info on ______________”