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		<title>By: John A. Davison</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/when-improbabilities-become-exponentially-improbable/comment-page-3/#comment-64057</link>
		<dc:creator>John A. Davison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure there is plenty ofphony math out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure there is plenty ofphony math out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/when-improbabilities-become-exponentially-improbable/comment-page-3/#comment-63905</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Davison,


&quot;Is not all of mathematics natural?&quot;

Theoretically.  But in practice, I&#039;ve found Numerical Analysis particularly unnatural.  Or at least awkward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Davison,</p>
<p>&#8220;Is not all of mathematics natural?&#8221;</p>
<p>Theoretically.  But in practice, I&#8217;ve found Numerical Analysis particularly unnatural.  Or at least awkward.</p>
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		<title>By: kairos</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/when-improbabilities-become-exponentially-improbable/comment-page-3/#comment-63887</link>
		<dc:creator>kairos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salvador: &quot;I was especially eager to hear what you had to say about the book given your background in science from Cornell.&quot;

I&#039;m not the person you are pointing to. I hold a PhD in Electronics and Computer science and I have never studied at Cornell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salvador: &#8220;I was especially eager to hear what you had to say about the book given your background in science from Cornell.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not the person you are pointing to. I hold a PhD in Electronics and Computer science and I have never studied at Cornell.</p>
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		<title>By: scordova</title>
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		<dc:creator>scordova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kairos,

Thank you so much for your informative response.  I was especially eager to hear what you had to say about the book given your background in science from Cornell.

regards,
Salvador</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kairos,</p>
<p>Thank you so much for your informative response.  I was especially eager to hear what you had to say about the book given your background in science from Cornell.</p>
<p>regards,<br />
Salvador</p>
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		<title>By: PaV</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/when-improbabilities-become-exponentially-improbable/comment-page-2/#comment-62779</link>
		<dc:creator>PaV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Davison:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Thanks for the plug PaV but Davison doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t have a Ã¢â‚¬Å“theory.Ã¢â‚¬Â What he has is a new hypothesis which remains in complete accord with everything we know from the experimental laboratory and the fossil record.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Indeed, you&#039;re right!  It is an hypothesis, and a good one at that.  

John Davison:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Everything in the world is natural or it wouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t be there. All things became natural when the Creator or Creators produced them. Is not all of mathematics natural? Does anyone still think that mathematics was the product of the human mind? Science is nothing but discovery of what has always been before us just waiting to be disclosed. 

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I couldn&#039;t agree with you more, John. 

The Pope, in Regnesburg, made it apparent that the way he plans to attack the tyranny of the sciences is to point out this very fact; that is, the world has a rational basis.  (In physics you would call it Hilbert space.)  And all scientific knowledge is possible only because of this rational basis is imposed, rather than being a product of nature itself.  Hence, this rational basis implies its own creation, and so, reason leads us to &quot;beingness&quot;, which, as the Pope points out and terms it, comes to us as a Christian/Hellenic inheritance.  Thus, theology and philosophy--two disciplines that concern themselves with &quot;beingness&quot;--are rightly positioned before the human mind (our rational faculty).  Excuse the prolix, but philosophy requires philosophy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Davison:</p>
<blockquote><p>Thanks for the plug PaV but Davison doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t have a Ã¢â‚¬Å“theory.Ã¢â‚¬Â What he has is a new hypothesis which remains in complete accord with everything we know from the experimental laboratory and the fossil record.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed, you&#8217;re right!  It is an hypothesis, and a good one at that.  </p>
<p>John Davison:</p>
<blockquote><p>Everything in the world is natural or it wouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t be there. All things became natural when the Creator or Creators produced them. Is not all of mathematics natural? Does anyone still think that mathematics was the product of the human mind? Science is nothing but discovery of what has always been before us just waiting to be disclosed. </p>
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<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more, John. </p>
<p>The Pope, in Regnesburg, made it apparent that the way he plans to attack the tyranny of the sciences is to point out this very fact; that is, the world has a rational basis.  (In physics you would call it Hilbert space.)  And all scientific knowledge is possible only because of this rational basis is imposed, rather than being a product of nature itself.  Hence, this rational basis implies its own creation, and so, reason leads us to &#8220;beingness&#8221;, which, as the Pope points out and terms it, comes to us as a Christian/Hellenic inheritance.  Thus, theology and philosophy&#8211;two disciplines that concern themselves with &#8220;beingness&#8221;&#8211;are rightly positioned before the human mind (our rational faculty).  Excuse the prolix, but philosophy requires philosophy.</p>
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		<title>By: PaV</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom English:

I know the feeling, and can sympathize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom English:</p>
<p>I know the feeling, and can sympathize.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom English</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom English</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kairos and PaV,

Sorry not to respond properly. I need desperately to get some work done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kairos and PaV,</p>
<p>Sorry not to respond properly. I need desperately to get some work done.</p>
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		<title>By: John A. Davison</title>
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		<dc:creator>John A. Davison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PaV

Everything in the world is natural or it wouldn&#039;t be there. All things became natural when the Creator or Creators produced them. Is not all of mathematics natural?  Does anyone still think that mathematics was the product of the human mind? Science is nothing but discovery of what has always been before us just waiting to be disclosed. 

As for evolution, it is FINISHED and has been for a long time.

&quot;Here I stand. I  can do no otherwise.&quot;
Martin Luther

&quot;A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable.&quot;
John A. Davison</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PaV</p>
<p>Everything in the world is natural or it wouldn&#8217;t be there. All things became natural when the Creator or Creators produced them. Is not all of mathematics natural?  Does anyone still think that mathematics was the product of the human mind? Science is nothing but discovery of what has always been before us just waiting to be disclosed. </p>
<p>As for evolution, it is FINISHED and has been for a long time.</p>
<p>&#8220;Here I stand. I  can do no otherwise.&#8221;<br />
Martin Luther</p>
<p>&#8220;A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable.&#8221;<br />
John A. Davison</p>
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		<title>By: kairos</title>
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		<dc:creator>kairos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#52

Salvador: &quot;Have you had the chance to read Genetic Entropy yet? I would be curious to hear your comments. The issue is taht even if a functional protein formed, whatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s the chance it will remain in that state to be any good.

Yes, I read it last July (and I also wrote a short comment for Amazon). My opinion (I cite my comment) is that this book provides very good, clear and useful information about the real status of neodarwinian mechanism, mainly concerning the inadequacy of random mutation+selection to both repair genome degradation and macroevolution. Moreover in my opinion it is of particular importance that many nails used for the NDE coffin are provided directly by strict darwinian researchers such as Haldane and Kimura! My main criticism is that the author in some points has forced his (good) arguments to support a specific YEC position (actually  the age of the first men). IMHO it would have been better to provide only the scientific arguments with their intrinsic strength. Anyway a very good work in my opinion. 


Note for #1 reviewer: it is not correct that the author does not consider duplication as a possibility for random evolution. Indeed, in his answers to objections at the end of the book, he explains why gene duplication does not theoretically improve the plausibility of the primary axiom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#52</p>
<p>Salvador: &#8220;Have you had the chance to read Genetic Entropy yet? I would be curious to hear your comments. The issue is taht even if a functional protein formed, whatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s the chance it will remain in that state to be any good.</p>
<p>Yes, I read it last July (and I also wrote a short comment for Amazon). My opinion (I cite my comment) is that this book provides very good, clear and useful information about the real status of neodarwinian mechanism, mainly concerning the inadequacy of random mutation+selection to both repair genome degradation and macroevolution. Moreover in my opinion it is of particular importance that many nails used for the NDE coffin are provided directly by strict darwinian researchers such as Haldane and Kimura! My main criticism is that the author in some points has forced his (good) arguments to support a specific YEC position (actually  the age of the first men). IMHO it would have been better to provide only the scientific arguments with their intrinsic strength. Anyway a very good work in my opinion. </p>
<p>Note for #1 reviewer: it is not correct that the author does not consider duplication as a possibility for random evolution. Indeed, in his answers to objections at the end of the book, he explains why gene duplication does not theoretically improve the plausibility of the primary axiom.</p>
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		<title>By: John A. Davison</title>
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		<dc:creator>John A. Davison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the plug PaV but Davison doesn&#039;t have a &quot;theory.&quot; What he has is a new hypothesis which remains in complete accord with everything we know from the experimental laboratory and the fossil record. He also rejects special creation, divine intervention or any other device which denies reproductive continuity. Man is very definitely an animal as this and every other forum demonstrates beyond any reasonable doubt.

&quot;A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable.&quot;
John A. Davison</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the plug PaV but Davison doesn&#8217;t have a &#8220;theory.&#8221; What he has is a new hypothesis which remains in complete accord with everything we know from the experimental laboratory and the fossil record. He also rejects special creation, divine intervention or any other device which denies reproductive continuity. Man is very definitely an animal as this and every other forum demonstrates beyond any reasonable doubt.</p>
<p>&#8220;A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable.&#8221;<br />
John A. Davison</p>
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