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Today I ran across one of my favorite Francis Schaeffer aphorisms: “Truth demands confrontation”

I was thinking about this later today when I read that Caitlyn Jenner has been proclaimed “woman of the year” by Glamour magazine.

Now Bruce Jenner can certainly change his name to Caitlyn Jenner.  But he cannot change himself into a woman.  He can no more be woman of the year than my left shoe can.

Well, that’s just narrow minded and bigoted, Barry.  Nope.  If you say 2+2=5,203, you have erred.  And when I say “Nope, it’s 4,” I am confronting your error with the truth, but I am not being narrow minded and bigoted.  No matter how much you sincerely wish that 2+2 equaled 5,203, it does not and it never will.  I do you no favors by allowing you to pretend error is truth.

No matter how much Caitlyn Jenner believes he is a woman, he is not.  Which reminds me of another useful aphorism, this one from George Orwell:  “We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.”

UPDATE:

Seversky writes in the comments below, what’s wrong with all of this if it makes Jenner happy?

And WJM has an apt reply:

The issue that Mr. Arrington brought up was not about Jenner calling himself a woman, but that Glamour magazine (and other progressive outlets) glamourizes, validates and entrenches this falsehood to the point where it is considered bigotry to point out the lie and assert the truth.  Is it your opinion that we must all abide lies people tell because those lies make them happy?

To WJM’s word I would add that of Alexander Solzhenitsyn in his earth-shattering 1974 article (written on the eve of his arrest), Live Not By Lies:

And the simplest and most accessible key to our self-neglected liberation lies right here: Personal non-participation in lies. Though lies conceal everything, though lies embrace everything, we will be obstinate in this smallest of matters: Let them embrace everything, but not with any help from me . . . It’s dangerous.* But let us refuse to say that which we do not think . . . Our path is not to give conscious support to lies about anything whatsoever!

And this, I think, would be Solzhenitsyn’s special reply to Seversky:

And he who is not sufficiently courageous even to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his “progressive” views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a merited figure, or a general — let him say to himself: I am in the herd, and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and warm.

Refuse to live the collective lie Solzhenitsyn says, for tyranny depends for its very existence on a people willing to bow down before falsehood for fear of the consequences of dissent.  For freedom to exist truth must confront error and face it down.  The danger of failing to do so is that we become a people conditioned to servitude to the lies of tyrants.  And if we do fail to confront the lies with truth?  Solzhenitsyn again:

And if we get cold feet, even taking this step, then we are worthless and hopeless, and the scorn of Pushkin should be directed to us:

“Why should cattle have the gifts of freedom?

“Their heritage from generation to generation is the belled yoke and the lash.”

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*And lest anyone believe it is not dangerous, just yesterday I filed a brief in a case in which a baker was sentenced to Maoist-style re-education for the crime of refusing to participate in celebrating a same-sex wedding.  Tyranny is advancing in this country; for there are few people more intolerant than those who preach the gospel of tolerance.

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Interesting ...Vy
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This reply to Sev's comment @45 has been long overdue so here it is. ---------
The Golden Rule . . .
Really? - How exactly has the Golden Rule stopped ISIS (well, the Silver Rule), Boko Haram, the Al-Qaedan Syrian Islamists etc.? - How did the Golden Rule stop the Soviet Union, the Nazis, the Spanish Inquisition etc.? - How did the Golden Rule stop this Atheist from killing 3 Muslims, this Atheist from killing 9 people simply for believing in God, this Atheist mass-murderer of 69 people, this other Atheist mass-murderer? - How has the Golden Rule stopped bullying, rape, racism, theft, murder etc., especially when considering the fact that they are all "naturally selected" and according to evodelusionists, so is morality. From above:
Morality then is not something handed down to Moses on Mount Sinai. It is something forged in the struggle for existence and reproduction, something fashioned by natural selection. It is as much a natural human adaptation as our ears or noses or teeth or penises or vaginas. It works and it has no meaning over and above this.
- How did the Golden Rule stop the League of Militant Atheists? Especially the League considering their ultimate goal was to accomplish what a majority of (if not all) Atheists want:
It had about 96,000 offices across the country. Guided by Bolshevik principles of antireligious propaganda and party's orders with regards to religion, the League aimed at exterminating religion [except Atheism of course] in all its manifestations and forming an anti-religious scientific mindset among the workers.
Also, an Atheist claiming s/he derives his/her morality from the Golden Rule while at the same time making ignorant comments like "Or do you have such a low opinion of humanity that you think only fear of your God’s wrath will keep them in line?" is pretty much as big a hypocrite as they come. You say that "It’s harder than having them handed to you on a plate – or tablets of stone" but yet, the first non-fantastical version of the Golden Rule is in the Bible, that's in text form FYI. Even more so, it wasn't until the time of Jesus that it had any noticeable value:
[The Golden Rule] is a strongly egalitarian message. When first conveyed, in the inegalitarian social settings of ancient Hebrews, it could have been a very radical message. But it likely was not, since it appears in scripture as an obscure bit of advice among scores of rules with greater point and stricture, given far more emphasis. ... Only when this rule was made a centerpiece of social interaction (by Jesus or Yeshua, and fellow John-the-Baptist disciples) did it become a more radical message, crossing class, clan and tribal boundaries within Judaism. Of special note is the rule’s application to outcasts and those below one’s station—the poor, lepers, Samaritans, and certain heathens (goyem). Yeshua apparently made the rule second in importance only to the First Commandment of “the Father” (Hashem).
You Atheists have "freeloaded/poached" several things from Christianity that it makes one wonder what the whole purpose of the movement is. I'm talking churches, the 10 commandments, the Bible, the four horsemen (google it), Christmas (yes, Jesus wasn't born on 25th December but that's not the matter) etc. and now you guys are moving on to morality, I guess hypocrisy doesn't under the religion of Atheism. Note: The Golden Rule (Do unto ...) is different from the Silver Rule (Do not do unto ...).
. . . empathy . . .
Uh uh, that doesn't work.
common interests
So you don't think gang-rapists, terrorists, the League of Militant Atheists, Pol Pot, group robbers etc. have "common interests"? What makes your "common interests" any more good or bad than the "common interests" of the aforementioned?
inter-subjective agreement.
Er, what??? - Sev and Zach agree not to steal from Pop if he agrees to help them steal from Frank? - Obama tried to smuggle in his immoral LGBT nonsense into Nigeria and Kenya so when their presidents showed him that such immoral nonsense won't fly there, he started threatening to cut-off aid. They still showed him immoral nonsense will remain immoral nonsense and no sort of Yoda Complex posturing would change that by going ahead to pass rightly anti-gay bills, so he eventually cut-off aid. Apparently, he thinks because there's a considerable amount of fools in the US that support his insanity, he can pass that on to other countries. Is either of these objectively moral based on your "Golden Rule, empathy, inter-subject agreements" morality? Or are you ready to admit that such superficial morality is as grounded as a tsunami and purely situational?
Or do you have such a low opinion of humanity that you think only fear of your God’s wrath will keep them in line?
Apparently you think people become Christians primarily because they're afraid of hell, carry on. Quick question: If the purpose of Christianity (and then Judaism) was to scare people with the aim of keeping them in line, why* did the Jews go against God's commands several times even when God showed them the consequences? * Try to keep the reply as objective and ad hominem-free as possible. Comments like "It didn't happen" or "It was a story written by stone age goat herders blah blah blah" are demonstrably false and pathetic.
How many people died on 9/11 because of religious feelings?
What is "religious feelings"? Did you see any Atheists or Christians at 9/11? I hope you're not trying to portray Atheism as a non-religion because if so, the links provided above should help you rethink your position. 9/11 was caused because of Islamic teachings, the Qu'ran has over 100 verses promoting violence so what they did at 9/11 was perfectly consistent with their murderous "religion of [violence]". However, the number of people that died on 9/11 is a blimp compared to the number of people that died thanks to the aforementioned League of Militant Atheists - over 10 million people.
I posted a list atrocities recorded in the Old Testament committed willingly by people intensely committed to their faith.
Atrocities? Really? Last year or so, I read the Skeptics Anotated Bible just to see these "atrocities" and all I could find was someone who could only rant about how he had a problem with killing animals (like everyone is a vegetarian, nonsense!), take the rape issue out of context, claim that God was bad for taking the life of people He created (like they bought the life in the market, it was a gift!), twist the story of Isaac and make several other inane comments. As for your list, I haven't seen it though I'm pretty sure it holds as much weight as your nonexistent morality.
According to one eyewitness, the man who shot people after asking them if they were Christian killed them regardless of what they answered.
Demonstrably false!
[He started] asking people one by one what their religion was. 'Are you a Christian?' he would ask them, and if you're a Christian, stand up. And they would stand up and he said, 'Good, because you're a Christian, you are going to see God in just about one second.' And then he shot and killed them
then they were shot in the head. If they said no, or didn't answer, they were shot in the legs.
More:
Witnesses also said he seemed to seek specific revenge against Christians . . . "Vicari said at one point the shooter told people to stand up before whether they were Christian or not. Vicari's brother told her that anyone who responded 'yes' was shot in the head. If they said 'other' or didn't answer, they were shot elsewhere in the body, usually the leg."
I don't know who that your "one eyewitness" is but his/her claims are as baseless as the Darwinian tree of life and by baseless, I mean floating Hallelujah Mountains of Pandora baseless.
Not all atheists are psychopaths or mass killers . . .
That's what they should be if they were being consistent with their worldview and didn't freeload morality from Christianity. This Atheist understands that.
any more than all Christians are capable of committing atrocities in the name of their faith.
That's the difference between Atheism and Christianity; there's nothing against murder in Atheism (but almost everything for it) but it's antithetical to Christianity. Every Tom, Dick and Harry can claim to be Christian, but only when judged against the Bible can such a claim stand. With Atheism and its subjective [non]morality, every Tom, Dick and Harry that murders is just as GOOD as every other non-murderer. Why? Because their morals say so. It's your morality, YOU decide what is good and bad. That is why everything is good AND bad under Atheism.
It’s that Golden Rule again. I would not like to be discriminated against on the basis of my race so I would not want to inflict that on others.
And a racist Atheist doesn't care about that, you cannot objectively say such an Atheist is immoral as your morality is based on your opinions of what is discrimination and what isn't. Also, a racist Atheist might not have any problem defending himself against any hypocritical Atheist that uses the Christian Golden Rule as a basis to "do unto him what he did to others".
It’s wrong to murder because of the pain and suffering it causes the victim and his or her family and friends.
Murder is not wrong under Atheism, it is naturally selected for, just like your morality. In fact, some evodelusionists claim that murder victims are "picked" by natural selection. So your idea that murder is wrong is immoral to an Atheist that thinks it's not wrong to murder people and neither of you are moral.
In my view, there is no objective morality
Glad to know. That is what evodelusion and materialism/naturalism leads to.
only empathy, common interests and inter-subjective agreement on what most of us agree is best for all.
Only a few years ago, "most of you" agreed that slavery and racism was what was "best for all". That is not morality, only a set of situational and time-based opinions.
What’s the evidence that it is always wrong?
I can't provide that but I do know this, if it were up to Atheism and if the US existed in an anti-objective morality vacuum, you'd most likely be dead. Look to China, the Soviet Union, Kyrgyzstan, the French Revolution etc. for evidence.
Why shouldn’t individual opinions be considered?
And what happens when you have a billion differing opinions? Suppress the rest and do as Hitler did?
Your God is just another individual.
God is not an "individual".
Why should His opinions count above all others?
Because He is the very definition of good. He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. You can choose to ignore that.
He never tells us the reasons He says some things are wrong. Why is there a commandment against worshipping graven images or coveting your neighbor’s ox
God is obligated to explain His commands? Wow, that's like saying my parent's are obligated to explain why they brought me up the way they did, utter nonsense.
but not a mention of rape or child abuse?
Rape: - Deuteronomy 22:13-29 - Mark 12:31 Child Abuse:
Matthew 18:6 – but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
To be bornagain is to be like a child so it's pretty much a given that child abuse is a no. If you're referring to "don't spare the rod and spoil the child", it's not in the Bible. The verse, Proverbs 13:24, reads:
Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him
All in all, the second most important commandment of Jesus was to "love thy neighbor as thyself" so if you feel rape and child abuse are forms of love in line with the teachings of Jesus, then go ahead and your baseless claim.
What makes you think that Sam Harris or that blogger speak for all atheists?
Bravo! You're catching on. Now, apply that reasoning to your entire post and see why it's self-refuting. Atheism is selfism, you come first. In other news, Sam Harris IS one of the four horsemen of Atheism so I bet he has quite the puppet collection.
>Does the Westboro Baptist Church speak for all Christians?
Again, that's the difference between Atheism and Christianity. We have the Bible, Atheists have their subjective opinions (and the four horsemen).
Rape has occurred throughout recorded history. It’s probably been happening ever since we emerged as a sexually-reproducing species.
We were made as sexually reproductive creatures.
It’s been committed by atheists, agnostics, Protestants, Roman Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, you name it. It happens a lot so, to that extent, it is natural but that doesn’t make it right and the naturalistic fallacy crap means that you can’t argue it’s right just because it happens.
The naturalistic fallacy cannot apply to rape for the same reason it cannot apply to the flawed naturalistic morality. To claim rape is wrong as an Atheist because of it is to claim everything you've said about how you can be moral is wrong.
The pathology of rape indicates it is committed for a variety of reasons but very rarely does it have anything to do with the passing on of genes.
Actually, that's exactly what my previous links and quotes have shown so your claim, on a naturalistic level, is baseless.
No, what is right or wrong is what we decide is right or wrong.
Actually, yes as your entire post has shown. Or are you saying murderers aren't part of the "we"?
Your alternative is to hand over the decision-making to some extraterrestrial or alien being that you hope is out there somewhere with our best interests at heart.
The only one here that believes in ET is you and your buddies.
Good luck with that.
In light of your earlier projection, this is for you. Taken in the context of "Good luck with God-given morality", it's been working well for the past ~6,000 years. You are the one that needs the luck. --------- Phew! That was quite the effort.Vy
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Go and ask the members of the LGBT Agenda who claim “I was born this way”.
Sure, I know some people make that argument. What about you? If our identities do not have a material basis, are we still required to behave in accord with our DNA?daveS
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I often read arguments against biological determinism here, so I would assume no one is saying that we have to “obey our genes”, so to speak.
Go and ask the members of the LGBT Agenda who claim "I was born this way".Vy
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6 million in the USA alone does not seem like an insignificant amount. And that figure doesn’t even include individuals who are transgender of which 1:2500 in the population have undergone sexual reassignment surgery.
Ah, the mental gymnastics is quite telling. You've gone from the fraudulent 6 million intersex people to mentally unstable humans that call themselves transgender. So according to you, every transgender is intersex. This is the third time I'm asking this:
So you’re saying simply because genuinely sick people exist who are somewhat in between, any mentally unstable individual can wake up one morning and claim to be another gender irrespective of the fact that the person is most likely not genuinely sick???
There are many dictionaries on the internet if you don't understand any word there, I can even help you with that.Vy
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And what do you know, 1.7% is about 100 times too common compared to reality:
Anne Fausto-Sterling s suggestion that the prevalence of intersex might be as high as 1.7% has attracted wide attention in both the scholarly press and the popular media. Many reviewers are not aware that this figure includes conditions which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex, such as Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. If the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female. Applying this more precise definition, the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%, almost 100 times lower than Fausto-Sterling's estimate of 1.7%.
Hey Frank, what was that again about 6 million???Vy
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Now Vy, what do your eyes see in the data? How many intersex individuals would we expect to find in a given population, say 330 million, of human beings.
The given population is the world, not the US. do I need crayons to illustrate this???Vy
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Damn! This guy is utterly foolish! 1.7% of all the human births in the world are intersex and you translate it to 1.7% of human births in the US??? No wonder what Jenner is doing makes perfect sense to you, you're just as mentally unstable as him.Vy
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"Why would Jenner feel obligated to say so?" To justify what he is doing. Now you are just being intentionally dense, which shows bad faith. End of discussion.Barry Arrington
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Barry
Because if he did he certainly would have said so.
Why would Jenner feel obligated to say so? There have long been rumors that Jaime Lee Curtis is intersex and despite years and years of rumor and questioning she has felt no need to provide an answer to those questions. In other words you are simply assuming he has no underlying pathology because you want to portray him in a negative light. I have understood that position from the start.franklin
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franklin, "and you know this how?" Because if he did he certainly would have said so.Barry Arrington
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Is it wrong for a person with a Y-chromosome to dress and behave like a woman? I often read arguments against biological determinism here, so I would assume no one is saying that we have to "obey our genes", so to speak.daveS
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Jenner has no such defect
and you know this how?
You are not missing the point; you are doing your damnedest to obscure the point.
I've not missed the point at all. You were 6 orders of magnitude off in your statement of 'fact'.
Yes, there is a very tiny fraction of people out there with defective genes
6 million in the USA alone does not seem like an insignificant amount. And that figure doesn't even include individuals who are transgender of which 1:2500 in the population have undergone sexual reassignment surgery. Hardly a low rate at all. Calling these people insane is plain ignorant and ignores the epidemiology of these gender ambiguity issues.
For these people we can have pity and compassion.
I think the people who have these conditions would tell you to shove your pity but I would agree they would appreciate compassion for their plight concerning how they are perceived and treated by their fellow citizens. mung
170000:10000000:330000000?
is that your final answer?franklin
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Franklin, You are missing the point. Check that. You are not missing the point; you are doing your damnedest to obscure the point. Yes, there is a very tiny fraction of people out there with defective genes. The key word there, "defective." For these people we can have pity and compassion. Jenner has no such defect. He is a liar. He is a man, but he says he is a woman. And I refuse to participate in that lie.Barry Arrington
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170000:10000000:330000000?Mung
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Vy here is something to help you understand the information you posted: 1.7% = 1.7:100 17:1000 170:10000 1700:100000 17000:1000000 given the above can you fill in the blank: ___:330000000franklin
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It’s not “1.7% of human births in country X or 1.7% of human births in country X are intersex because of Y”, it is “1.7% of all live births”.
Yes, I understand that the incident rate is 1.7% of all live births are intersex. Now given a population of 330 million and you incident rate how many individuals would be intersex. This appears to really difficult for you but it is very simple math. Maybe this will help you grasp the concept: If I give you $1 dollar for every 100 acorns you collect and you collect 330 million acorns how much money do I owe you?franklin
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vyAre you even reading what you’re posting? Of course I am. using my eyes:
The number of intersex people depends on the definition used. ISNA suggest that 1 percent of live births exhibit some degree of sexual ambiguity.
I see that in a given population 1% of the individuals will have some degree of sexual ambiguity. continuing to use my eyes:
Between 0.1% and 0.2% of live births are ambiguous enough to become the subject of specialist medical attention, including surgery to assign them to a given sex category (i.e., male or female).
I see, using my eyes, that 0.1-0.2% of those intersex births have external genetalia that cannot be recognized as being sole male or female and that often misguided attempts at surgical determination of sex on these individuals has been performed. continuing using my eyes:
According to Blackless, Fausto-Sterling et al., on the other hand, 1.7 percent of human births are intersex.
I see that 1.7% of the human population are intersex. which, is of course, what I have been saying all along. Now Vy, what do your eyes see in the data? How many intersex individuals would we expect to find in a given population, say 330 million, of human beings. Let see if Vy can do the math.....not holding breath.franklin
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Vy I assume that you would agree (since you posted the incident rate, that 1.7% of live births result in intersex individuals
Go and pull out your eyes from the fridge then read this:
The number of intersex people depends on the definition used. ISNA suggest that 1 percent of live births exhibit some degree of sexual ambiguity. Between 0.1% and 0.2% of live births are ambiguous enough to become the subject of specialist medical attention, including surgery to assign them to a given sex category (i.e., male or female). According to Blackless, Fausto-Sterling et al., on the other hand, 1.7 percent of human births are intersex.
It's not "1.7% of human births in country X or 1.7% of human births in country X are intersex because of Y", it is "1.7% of all live births". Damn! Go back and learn some English, Math too.Vy
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That only represents one portion of the 1.7 % incidences of intersex births now you need to add the in the rest of the ~75 known medical disorders, e.g. androgen insensitivity, attributed to intersex births.
Are you even reading what you're posting? Use your eyes this time:
The number of intersex people depends on the definition used. ISNA suggest that 1 percent of live births exhibit some degree of sexual ambiguity. Between 0.1% and 0.2% of live births are ambiguous enough to become the subject of specialist medical attention, including surgery to assign them to a given sex category (i.e., male or female). According to Blackless, Fausto-Sterling et al., on the other hand, 1.7 percent of human births are intersex.
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Vy. It appears that understanding statistics and their implications is not one of your strong suits. Try going back to the website you linked to and look at the various disorders and their frequency……cherry picking one out of 75 disorders is simply silly.
Huh? Talk about the projected ramblings of the madman, sheesh!Vy
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Harebrained assertion.
Vy I assume that you would agree (since you posted the incident rate, that 1.7% of live births result in intersex individuals. I also assume that we could agree that there are 330 million people living in the USA. I also assume that we agree that each of those 330 million people represent live births. Now here is the hard part, Vy....given the 330 million people in the USA and a incident rate of 1.7% for intersex births what do the statistics (that you presented) indicate the total number of intersex individuals that will be found in the population of the USA. hint multiply 330 million bu 0.017......if you need any more help let me know.franklin
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1 in every 1,500 babies is born with genitals that cannot easily be classified as male or female.
That only represents one portion of the 1.7 % incidences of intersex births now you need to add the in the rest of the ~75 known medical disorders, e.g. androgen insensitivity, attributed to intersex births. Talk about reading comprehension problems....do try to do better, Vy. It appears that understanding statistics and their implications is not one of your strong suits. Try going back to the website you linked to and look at the various disorders and their frequency......cherry picking one out of 75 disorders is simply silly.franklin
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You do realize, Vy, that this incident rate indicates that nearly 6 million american citizens are afflicted with these disorders.
Harebrained assertion.
Hopefully, you are astute enough to realize that these children grow into adults during their lives.
Ya think? Glad to know you just found out an obvious fact. Keep it up, you'll figure it out eventually.Vy
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To me it sounds pathetically sexy!
Oh yes, more that a few intersex individuals are models who are considered to be quite sexy by the majority of folks. There are also a number of accomplished athletes, and musicians as well. I would enjoy seeing Barry going through a picture lineup of some of these individuals, even naked photos, and see if he can distinguish the 'males' from the 'females'. In more than a few cases he wouldn't have a clue.franklin
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yes indeed out of every 100 live human births encompassing the planet 1.7% of those human births result in intersex children. Thanks for supporting the information I posted!
*facepalm* Looks like you have reading comprehension issues, here's a clearer version for "US alone":
There is no simple answer to this question. Intersex conditions are not always accurately diagnosed, experts sometimes disagree on exactly what qualifies as an intersex condition and government agencies do not collect statistics about intersex individuals. Some experts estimate that as many as 1 in every 1,500 babies is born with genitals that cannot easily be classified as male or female.
In the "US alone", the rarity of intersexuality is about 15 times more than "1 out of 100" Clean your eyes.Vy
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That’s worldwide not “in the US alone”.
yes indeed out of every 100 live human births encompassing the planet 1.7% of those human births result in intersex children. Thanks for supporting the information I posted! You do realize, Vy, that this incident rate indicates that nearly 6 million american citizens are afflicted with these disorders. Hopefully, you are astute enough to realize that these children grow into adults during their lives.franklin
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Mung! Cracking me up twice in a row.Pro Hac Vice
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No I gave you a corrective on your error of facts.
You made a baseless assertion.
the incidence rate in the population is 1.5-2% (more recent studies), 98-98.5% and not as you claimed as being 99.99999%……
Provide the studies. Until then:
The number of intersex people depends on the definition used. ISNA suggest that 1 percent of live births exhibit some degree of sexual ambiguity. Between 0.1% and 0.2% of live births are ambiguous enough to become the subject of specialist medical attention, including surgery to assign them to a given sex category (i.e., male or female). According to Blackless, Fausto-Sterling et al., on the other hand, 1.7 percent of human births are intersex.
That's worldwide not "in the US alone".
I realize that you were trying to make a point but being off by 6 orders of magnitude in your facts should give you some pause….likely not but it should.
Look who's talking.Vy
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Barry realize that 1-2 out of every live birth in Colorado (and the rest of the world) results in this type of syndrome…..certainly not rare by any measure.
Indeed. NOT!Vy
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franklin tells us it is “only” 99%, not 99.99%. That is your argument franklin? That sex is up for grabs always because the normal applies “only” 99% of the time. Do you realize how pathetic that sounds?
No I gave you a corrective on your error of facts. the incidence rate in the population is 1.5-2% (more recent studies), 98-98.5% and not as you claimed as being 99.99999%......I realize that you were trying to make a point but being off by 6 orders of magnitude in your facts should give you some pause....likely not but it should. In colorado there are ~55000 of these individuals around are you pretty good at spotting which ones are 'true' male and female? I bet not at all. Barry realize that 1-2 out of every live birth in Colorado (and the rest of the world) results in this type of syndrome.....certainly not rare by any measure.franklin
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