Torah and Science Conference with the Lubavitchers
| December 19, 2005 | Posted by William Dembski under Intelligent Design, Religion, Science |
I reported earlier on this blog that I was to be the only gentile speaker at an Orthodox Jewish (Lubavitcher) conference on Torah and science (go here, here, and here). That conference took place in Miami last week, and I gave a talk there on ID (December 14th). The talk was very well attended with several high school senior classes from the local Jewish schools attending along with a fair amount of press. I felt very much at home with the Lubavitchers, and I was extremely gratified by their receptivity to ID. These are well-educated thoughtful people with a great stake in not letting a materialistic view of science steamroller their religious faith. They will be significant allies in coming years and open a new front in this culture war. Indeed, as they enter the battle on the side of ID, it will be that much more difficult for critics of ID to characterize it as a purely “Christian thing.” ID is not only going international but it is also going interfaith.
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Judge Jones wrote: “In making this determination, we have addressed the seminal question of whether ID is science. We have concluded that it is not, and moreover that ID cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents.”
So then, if some aspects of nature were designed, scientists would be unable to detect evidence of that design without resort to religion? Does that mean that teaching Archaeology or Forensic Science in public schools is now unconstitutional?
“Logan, I think you’re unfairly taking your anger at Jones’ decision on Mr. Christopher. Simply asking for a comment isn’t the act of a troll.”
First, I feel no anger at Jones’ decision.
Second LOL @ “simply asking for a comment”!!!
A judge does not determine the direction of science.
Observations, hypotheses, theory, experimentation and scientific methods do this. A paradigm change is underway at the top universities in the nation. See this article for reference of a new shift supported by the Howard Huges Medical Insitute:
http://www.ics.uci.edu/communi.....ress?id=35
Honestly I would not want to send my child ever to a public school in the USA anymore.
There is no such thing as freedom of speech in a public school. If a child were to ask about ID, a teacher could be sued by the ACLU for leading a discussion about it. This is wrong. It is un-American at its core.
There is no avenue for imagination – the most important part of creative thought is shut down entirely by a few. Elitist, ACLU and a few Judges determine what you say, what you study, what you see, what you learn. Parents who elect school board members are not allowed to decide for their own children.
Fruit of the tree of our Public schools thanks to ACLU and others:
1) You cannot think of anything except an unproven theory in macro-evolution. You are not allowed to ponder or even look into other theories put forth by scientifically qualified people(some are world renown) with credentials, highly qualified and recognized as leaders in their fields of study and work.
2) They are taught to have sex with anyone
3) Have abortions if you want to, its no big deal, don’t hold anyone responsible, the man is free to go without any consequences and may go get another girl pregnant who may go get another abortion
4) They are taught they do not have to tell parents they have sex
5) Taught they don’t have to tell parents they got pregnant
6) and certainly don’t tell them you intend to kill the child
7) Government and school rights trump a parents in science, morals, and physical control of a child’s body.
Fruit of the Tree? Lie to your parents. Take no responsibility for yourself. Afterall, there are no such things as morals, thats just religion.
Because according to a few people the parents who created you, feed you, clothe you, put a roof over your head, educate you and determine how you will grow up in this world have absolutely no right at all to know what their children do anymore.
Nor do parents have a right to be critical of an unproven theory – macro-evolution is just that – unproven.
Fruit of the tree grows uglier in all directions –
In fact, the great ACLU insist that Child Porn is OK and they support NAMBLA.
Fruit of the tree – you are not special, you’re no more than an ape and therefore as in PETA, you should have no more rights than an ape, a dog or a rat.
Your Parents tell you that you are fearfully and wonderfully made by the hand of God. School says you are made from some dribble that supposedly crawled out of the ocean, followed by some other critter, a reptile, which then ‘evolved’ eventually into some form of mamal only unlike a bear or wolf or some other creature – we did not go back into the ocean like a whale. No, for some ‘random chance’ reason, we evolved into mankind, the kind which says you do not have to obey your parents.
Your parents say there is a new SCIENTIFIC THEORY which says that it may be true we are designed, beautifully created. Many leading scientist with great contributions in all aspects of society and in science give the theory credit as one possible explanation as to our existence.
Schools and the ACLU say you have no right to talk about it in school. Your parents are wrong – it teaches kids not to listen to their parents, it says their parents are stupid. One judge makes a decision not based on any constitutional law with objectivity – only that it appears to be leaning to – ‘one form of religion, namely Chrisitan’, although this is false, he squashes any talking allowable by teachers to the students and by order states that only one form of creation is allowed – not one that is proven, but just one that cannot possibly lead to any religious significance in the future.
Fruit of the tree – You have no right to free thought in school. You will only think and say what we tell you to discuss by the court rulings of one judge or two and powerful groups who get paid by tax payers dollars if they win the suit they brought forth against the people.
There is no real freedom. It does not matter that a majority want to be able to look at other theories in science. It only matters what the minority think and a few judges.
You have no will over your life in public places paid for by your own taxes. The government does not really represent you or your parents. In fact it is a lie. They tax you and then force you to learn something which is not proven. But the other theories? You can’t talk about those. Effectively you live in a police state of science. Although leading scientist – evolutinist themselves have admitted for decades now that the theory of macro-evolution is in serious trouble.
Taxation for schools is unfair when it will not represent the majority of people will and the parents who pay for their childrens lives, who love them and want them to grow up with free minds and not be oppressed by a few.
There is a very simple answer. Pull your children out of such schools. Build up a network of private schools. Make the sacrifices you must make, but do not allow the government to rule your children through proxy by a school system that is corrupt and will enforce laws that cause your children to lie to you, doubt you and call you stupid.
If you boycot the public schools, the teachers, the principals will have no where to go, these places will stop receiving money.
Private schools are not for the rich only if parents really care.
Parents – take back your children. Give them truth.
That they are loved, special, unique and that God gave them rich gifts, gifts of creative power unlike any other ‘beast’ on this earth and their future is not dependent upon a few people to control their thoughts.
One only need to look at the fruit of the tree to understand if it is dead fruit or fruit which gives life…
Ah, erasing posts are we?