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	<title>Comments on: The ultimate hot weather story &#8230; Stu Pivar, friend of late Steve Gould,  suing PZ Myers</title>
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		<title>By: Darwiniana &#187; Myers suit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darwiniana &#187; Myers suit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Borne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Borne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JR: &quot;If you disagree with them you must be silenced, but if you try to silence them then you are guilty of censorship.&quot; ... and then you must be silenced! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR: &#8220;If you disagree with them you must be silenced, but if you try to silence them then you are guilty of censorship.&#8221; &#8230; and then you must be silenced! <img src='http://www.uncommondescent.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Borne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Borne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the courts would be tied up till kingdom come.&quot;

The courts are already tied up till kingdom come ... unless you&#039;re rich and pushy 

PZ will never realize the above stated irony of this. He simply doesn&#039;t have the gray matter necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the courts would be tied up till kingdom come.&#8221;</p>
<p>The courts are already tied up till kingdom come &#8230; unless you&#8217;re rich and pushy </p>
<p>PZ will never realize the above stated irony of this. He simply doesn&#8217;t have the gray matter necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: O'Leary</title>
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		<dc:creator>O'Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it is worth, I doubt PZ will lose his pajamas over this. The Internet is largely stateless.

Also, generally, libel suits must demonstrate harm. Thus Stu Pivar must demonstrate that PZ&#039;s attacks have caused him harm. I will be most interested to see what harm is alleged. 

I doubt that &quot;becoming unpopular among Darwinist fanatics&quot; can be considered a harm, when - as I assume everyone knows &lt; ;&gt; - it is one of the clinical tests for sanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it is worth, I doubt PZ will lose his pajamas over this. The Internet is largely stateless.</p>
<p>Also, generally, libel suits must demonstrate harm. Thus Stu Pivar must demonstrate that PZ&#8217;s attacks have caused him harm. I will be most interested to see what harm is alleged. </p>
<p>I doubt that &#8220;becoming unpopular among Darwinist fanatics&#8221; can be considered a harm, when &#8211; as I assume everyone knows < ;> &#8211; it is one of the clinical tests for sanity.</p>
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		<title>By: russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Did milk squirt out of anyone elseÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s nose here, like it did mine when I read this?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Such Schadenfreude is unseemly.  I set my milk down before reading the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Did milk squirt out of anyone elseÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s nose here, like it did mine when I read this?</p></blockquote>
<p>Such Schadenfreude is unseemly.  I set my milk down before reading the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Rennie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Rennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m a bit disturbed that someone would think criticism of a scientific hypothesis must be defended by silencing its critics.&quot;

I agree with Mike. Although it isn&#039;t like anybody has accused PZ of being  much of a clear thinker so I suspect the irony of his statement would be wasted entirely on him. 

But hey, this sort of double standard is pretty much business as usual for people of Myers political persuasion. If you disagree with them you must be silenced, but if you try to silence them then you are guilty of censorship. 

Don&#039;t hold your breath expecting Myers or anybody in his camp to appreciate the irony of this situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m a bit disturbed that someone would think criticism of a scientific hypothesis must be defended by silencing its critics.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with Mike. Although it isn&#8217;t like anybody has accused PZ of being  much of a clear thinker so I suspect the irony of his statement would be wasted entirely on him. </p>
<p>But hey, this sort of double standard is pretty much business as usual for people of Myers political persuasion. If you disagree with them you must be silenced, but if you try to silence them then you are guilty of censorship. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t hold your breath expecting Myers or anybody in his camp to appreciate the irony of this situation.</p>
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		<title>By: tyke</title>
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		<dc:creator>tyke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not defending Myers here, but there&#039;s not the slightest chance that Pivar will win this case.  In fact, I would be very surprised if it&#039;s not thrown out by the judge it is assigned to.

If everyone who has been called a crackpot (which probably includes every one of us at one time or another, no doubt!) sued then the courts would be tied up till kingdom come.

As for the withdrawn quote from de Grasse Tyson, which seems to be the only other substantive point Pivar has, even if the quote wasn&#039;t taken out of context as Tyson and others have claimed (with a reasonable amount of evidence), or used without permission, then its still Tyson&#039;s choice as to whether he wants to continue to be seen endorsing Pivar&#039;s material.  I can hardly believe that Tyson would have been so easily badgered or frightened into withdrawing the quote after one bad review from Myers.

While I&#039;m all for defending one&#039;s corner, especially when it comes to innovative and new scientific theories, I really do detest nuisance law suits no matter who the target is, and this certainly appears to be one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not defending Myers here, but there&#8217;s not the slightest chance that Pivar will win this case.  In fact, I would be very surprised if it&#8217;s not thrown out by the judge it is assigned to.</p>
<p>If everyone who has been called a crackpot (which probably includes every one of us at one time or another, no doubt!) sued then the courts would be tied up till kingdom come.</p>
<p>As for the withdrawn quote from de Grasse Tyson, which seems to be the only other substantive point Pivar has, even if the quote wasn&#8217;t taken out of context as Tyson and others have claimed (with a reasonable amount of evidence), or used without permission, then its still Tyson&#8217;s choice as to whether he wants to continue to be seen endorsing Pivar&#8217;s material.  I can hardly believe that Tyson would have been so easily badgered or frightened into withdrawing the quote after one bad review from Myers.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m all for defending one&#8217;s corner, especially when it comes to innovative and new scientific theories, I really do detest nuisance law suits no matter who the target is, and this certainly appears to be one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: tragicmishap</title>
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		<dc:creator>tragicmishap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not true.  That&#039;s impossible!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not true.  That&#8217;s impossible!</p>
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		<title>By: DaveScot</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveScot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. - Today was the coldest day in August for NYC since 1911 reaching a high of 59F.  I&#039;ll attest to the chill if not the record.  I&#039;ve been in the southern tier (where NY, PA, and OH meet) for a month and today turned on the heater to take the chill off the house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. &#8211; Today was the coldest day in August for NYC since 1911 reaching a high of 59F.  I&#8217;ll attest to the chill if not the record.  I&#8217;ve been in the southern tier (where NY, PA, and OH meet) for a month and today turned on the heater to take the chill off the house.</p>
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		<title>By: tragicmishap</title>
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		<dc:creator>tragicmishap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/

Everyone on UD should be reading Scott Adams&#039; blog.  Not only is he hilarious, but he&#039;s often insightful at many points along the way.</description>
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<p>Everyone on UD should be reading Scott Adams&#8217; blog.  Not only is he hilarious, but he&#8217;s often insightful at many points along the way.</p>
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