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The Logical Fallacy of “Appeal to Infinite Possibilities,” the Materialists’ Favorite Dodge

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Wow, the article News found contains one of the most cogent and succinct arguments I’ve read. Here’s more:

First Averick quotes Bertrand Russell

Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of skeptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that since my assertion cannot be disproved [no one can doubt its truth], I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense.

Just so. The burden of proof is on the one proposing the proposition, not the one attempting to disprove it. That’s why we have a presumption of innocence in our courts, not a presumption of guilt. The burden is on the prosecutor to prove his case, not on the defendant to disprove it. Averick goes on:

Atheistic scientists are acutely aware of the difficulties involved in proposing that some type of unguided process would be able to bridge the gaping chasm between non-life and life. However, they seem totally oblivious to the fact that – in keeping with the thrust of Russell’s argument – it is their burden to prove it true rather than being the burden of the theist to disprove the possibility.

He then quotes numerous materialist luminaries talking about how materialist OOL scenarios, while not proven, are “not impossible.” And he goes on:

I don’t know how to prove that it’s impossible for life to come from non-life, anymore than Richard Dawkins knows how to prove that it’s impossible for a china teapot to be revolving around the sun in an elliptical orbit between the Earth and Mars; but no rational person is going to believe either of those proposals without rock-solid evidence. And by the way, if we are accepting “it’s not impossible” as an argument, how about the following: “It’s not impossible that God created the world in six days and made it look like it’s 14 billion years old”?

When the atheist says “it’s possible that it happened” or “it’s not impossible that it happened” he is appealing to the notion of Infinite Possibilities. As we know from the courtroom, we don’t live in a world where we are required to consider infinite possibilities; we live in a world where we are only required to consider reasonable possibilities. The only reasonable possibility is that life was the result of Intelligent Creation/Design.

In the infinite space – or if you will – the infinite gap created by an infinite number of possibilities there is plenty of room for the atheist to believe that life can come from non-life through some mysterious unguided process. It is there, in that infinite gap, that he finds a comfortable place to pitch his tent and call it home. Hence, The Argument from Infinite Possibilities or most appropriately of all: Atheism of the GAP.

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We know that God is because we know Him. It’s that easy. No circular reasoning is needed. If we don’t know Jesus Christ, then we don’t hear His utterance (Greek is logos). Faith comes by hearing His logos. If we don’t hear His logos/utterance, we are not walking in faith. We are not acknowledging God. Romans 1. "Trust in the LORD with all your heart; and lean not unto your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct your paths." Proverbs 3:5-6 The heart here is the innermost mind, not the organ the pumps blood. Out of it comes the issues of life. The word, acknowledge, means "to have personal knowledge of" in the original language. These are not euphemisms. Jesus really meant it when He said, “My sheep hear My Voice.” And “Whoever is on the side of truth listens to Me.” http://www.SeekFind.net/Basic_and_Concise_Guide_to_Logic_and_Reasoning.htmlSeekFindDotNet
January 16, 2014
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Sorry. Here is the link: http://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2angel.htmAxel
October 20, 2013
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I don't know whether you will be interested in this, mapou, or not. I think I may have posted it here before. I found it beautiful and fascinating. I hadn't realised that, being closer to God, who is spirit, the angels, who are pure spirits, were of a higher order of creation than ourselves in heaven, but was pleased to hear it. I suspect I'd been confused by Jesus' being described as 'a little lower than the angels', in his incarnation, while destined to be higher than all his creation, when seated at his Father's side in heaven, as God. John Paul points out that God did not create the angels wicked, but that granting them free will necessitated their being allowed the choice to be good or evil; a response from them that was irreversible, since, unlike ourselves, who are also granted free will, their response due to their immaterial nature was immediate; while ours is like the closing of jaws over our life-time.Axel
October 20, 2013
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See you around johnp and thanks for the comments.Mapou
October 15, 2013
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The evil spirits are the angels that fell with satan from the presence of God when they rebelled. God made them, but he didn't make them evil. They chose rebellion and thus became evil. The same thing happened to Adam if you recall. (Joh 1:1-3)In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Here John is making the case for Jesus as the creative power of God, the uncaused cause of all things. He is establishing the case for Jesus' divinity. ALL THINGS (material, immaterial and everything in between) were made by him, and (just in case anyone missed the point that was just made)without him was not any thing made that was made. Of course since the revelation is subjective feel free to toss that one on the scrap heap.johnp
October 15, 2013
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You’re right. It doesn’t delineate between physical and spiritual things. It just says ALL things were made by him. By definition that would include things in both categories.
I interpret John's "without him was not any thing made that was made." to mean this: nothing that was made was made without him. So this tells me that the author (John, not God) believed that there exist things that were not made. Why would he even say this right after saying "all things were made by him"? Was he repeating himself or did he want to make a subtle point? As a Christian, I am offended by your doctrine because it implies that God created evil spirits. Yours is an erroneous (or should I say, evil?) doctrine.
How do you separate what is revelation and what is not?
I keep searching until I find. Nothing is handed to us on a platter. It's a struggle from day one.Mapou
October 15, 2013
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You're right. It doesn't delineate between physical and spiritual things. It just says ALL things were made by him. By definition that would include things in both categories. How do you separate what is revelation and what is not?johnp
October 15, 2013
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johnp:
Is a spirit a thing? We discuss it as if it is. Seems to me like it would fall into the category of “all things”.
John 1:3 does not specify whether it is referring to physical or spiritual things. However, it does say that it is only talking about the things that were made. So it is easy to conclude that the author believed that there are some things that were not made.
Obviously you don’t view the Bible as God’s revelation to man, and have decided that you know more perfectly how to worship God than the instructions contained therein, by your admission in your last post, so I’m not going to “beat a dead horse” as it were. Good luck with worshipping your God.
You are mistaken about what I believe in. I believe that God's revelation can be found in the scriptures but I certainly do not believe that everything in the scriptures is God's revelation. I believe that the Bible contains amazing scientific knowledge (written in a metaphorical language) that will amaze everybody and drastically transform the world in the not too distant future.Mapou
October 15, 2013
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Mapou, Is a spirit a thing? We discuss it as if it is. Seems to me like it would fall into the category of "all things". Obviously you don't view the Bible as God's revelation to man, and have decided that you know more perfectly how to worship God than the instructions contained therein, by your admission in your last post, so I'm not going to "beat a dead horse" as it were. Good luck with worshipping your God.johnp
October 15, 2013
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Dr Giem, Dr Gordon puts it like this: The End Of Materialism? * In the multiverse, anything can happen for no reason at all. * In other words, the materialist is forced to believe in random miracles as a explanatory principle. * In a Theistic universe, nothing happens without a reason. Miracles are therefore intelligently directed deviations from divinely maintained regularities, and are thus expressions of rational purpose. * Scientific materialism is (therefore) epistemically self defeating: it makes scientific rationality impossible. preceding was taken from the last powerpoint of this video The Absurdity of Inflation, String Theory and The Multiverse - Dr. Bruce Gordon - video http://vimeo.com/34468027 also of note; BRUCE GORDON: Hawking's irrational arguments - October 2010 Excerpt: For instance, we find multiverse cosmologists debating the "Boltzmann Brain" problem: In the most "reasonable" models for a multiverse, it is immeasurably more likely that our consciousness is associated with a brain that has spontaneously fluctuated into existence in the quantum vacuum than it is that we have parents and exist in an orderly universe with a 13.7 billion-year history. This is absurd. The multiverse hypothesis is therefore falsified because it renders false what we know to be true about ourselves. Clearly, embracing the multiverse idea entails a nihilistic irrationality that destroys the very possibility of science. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/oct/1/hawking-irrational-arguments/ The materialistic conjecture of an infinity of universes to ‘explain away’ the fine tuning of this universe also insures, through the ontological argument, the 100% probability of the existence of God: God Is Not Dead Yet – William Lane Craig – Page 4 The ontological argument. Anselm’s famous argument has been reformulated and defended by Alvin Plantinga, Robert Maydole, Brian Leftow, and others. God, Anselm observes, is by definition the greatest being conceivable. If you could conceive of anything greater than God, then that would be God. Thus, God is the greatest conceivable being, a maximally great being. So what would such a being be like? He would be all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good, and he would exist in every logically possible world. But then we can argue: 1. It is possible that a maximally great being (God) exists. 2. If it is possible that a maximally great being exists, then a maximally great being exists in some possible world. 3. If a maximally great being exists in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world. 4. If a maximally great being exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world. 5. Therefore, a maximally great being exists in the actual world. 6. Therefore, a maximally great being exists. 7. Therefore, God exists. Now it might be a surprise to learn that steps 2–7 of this argument are relatively uncontroversial. Most philosophers would agree that if God’s existence is even possible, then he must exist. So the whole question is: Is God’s existence possible? The atheist has to maintain that it’s impossible that God exists. He has to say that the concept of God is incoherent, like the concept of a married bachelor or a round square. But the problem is that the concept of God just doesn’t appear to be incoherent in that way. The idea of a being which is all-powerful, all knowing, and all-good in every possible world seems perfectly coherent. And so long as God’s existence is even possible, it follows that God must exist. http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/july/13.22.html?start=4 Where this argument has gained purchase is in the materialist/atheist appeal to the multiverse (an infinity of possible worlds) to try to ‘explain away’ the extreme fine tuning we find for this universe. The materialist/atheist, without realizing it, ends up conceding the necessary premise to the ontological argument and thus guarantees the success of the argument and thus insures the 100% probability of God’s existence!bornagain77
October 15, 2013
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@ Mapou:
I don’t know how to prove that it’s impossible for life to come from non-life…
Unlike the rabbi, I think this is rather easy to prove. As any software engineer can tell you, a working computer program is just a huge number consisting of many zeros and ones. The same can be said of the genome of a living organism, except that the genome of even the simplest living organism is astronomically complex compared to a computer program. The important thing to note here is that the number of possible code combinations that will result in either a viable computer program or a living organism is many, many orders of magnitude smaller than the number of combinations that will result in failure.
While I too use my software engineering knowledge to use that same argument, I think it important to note that you have not "proved X impossible" - you have proved X improbable, to such a small probability that it is reasonable for us to call it "impossible" - but that is not the same as proving something impossible. (which requires a much more exhaustive and possibly infinite effort) Good enough for engineering approximations, but not a proof. There are times that approximations get us closer to the truth, and it does make sense to use the mental tool; just don't forget its limitations.SirHamster
October 15, 2013
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Of course it was probably not in English.
I take that back. It was probably in an infinite subset that English was usedjerry
October 15, 2013
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but the infinite universes hypothesis destroys the naturalistic argument against miracle.
Postulating an infinite number of universes essentially leads to an infinite numbers of entities with unlimited intelligences. Perhaps one of these infinite entities with unlimited intelligences said "Let there be light." Maybe an infinite number of them said it. Of course it was probably not in English.jerry
October 15, 2013
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JohnP:
What do you make of Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. ?
It just says that all things that were made were made by God. That is all. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that spirits were created by God. This is the reason that our spirits must be tested. If God made spirits, he would not need to test them. My position is that there exist two opposite and complementary realms: a spiritual realm where nothing can be created nor destroyed and a physical realm where everything can be created and destroyed. In fact, there can be no change at all in the spiritual realm. Spiritual things just are. They are not subject to the passage of time. I challenge anybody to show me just one passage in the Bible that says that God created a single spirit. Still, even if there were such a passage in the Bible, I would not believe it. I worship God, not a book. Worshipping the Bible would be idolatry. The Bible is just one of many tools that I use in my search for truth.Mapou
October 15, 2013
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Paul Giem Actually, if the multiverse was infinite, there'd be most likely to be an even distribution of phenomena. So it's not so much that miracles would be unsurprising, but that you'd never know if you stepped out on to a lake whether you'd walk or sink. "Unlikely" events are present in proportion to "likely" ones, since there's an infinity of both. Even with a finite number, the proportion will tend towards equality. If we're in a Universe where nevertheless most things are statistically predictable, except for origin of life and protein synthesis, then life is a miracle AND science is a miracle... and walking on water is a miracle too. Sounds pretty much the one we're in. Ergo fine tuning.Jon Garvey
October 15, 2013
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I'd like to come back to the original post. The finite number of universes hypothesis (How could it be a theory? How could you test it?) may not do so, but the infinite universes hypothesis destroys the naturalistic argument against miracle. For if we can say that a highly improbable event happened (like he OoL) so that we are here, we are already in a special universe. If the molecules of water happen to line up, minimally, their motions so that they exert upward pressure of 1,000 g/cm^2, then they will support the weight of a man. So, although before the fact one might not expect this, if we have reliable reports of someone walking on water, all we can say is, well, it was bound to happen in some universe, and we must be in that universe. It is amazing the science-destroying lengths to which some will go to avoid a design inference.Paul Giem
October 15, 2013
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Did He make this sentence, or did I?
This has been a discussion for thousands of years. For a modern day discussion of this in terms of Islam, listen to the following podcast http://www.johnbatchelorshow.com/podcasts/2013/08/19/second-hour If you listen to the podcast, atarting about 19 minutes 30 seconds in you will hear a very intellectual discussion of what you are asking in terms of modern Islam. It is from the John Batchelor Show, probably the most eclectic radio broadcast on the planet. The show has a lot of American politics but covers many other things besides that.jerry
October 15, 2013
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Box- I would encourage you to study the book of John, the New Testament, and the Bible to see if you can find answers to your questions.johnp
October 15, 2013
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Joh 1:3 is saying that we don't actually make things? Only God makes things? So we are puppets? If the verse is not saying that, and man has free will, why does it deny our creativity? Did He make this sentence, or did I? If He did make this sentence, because He made me to create this sentence, then what am I? God's pencil?Box
October 15, 2013
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Mapou, What do you make of Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. ?johnp
October 15, 2013
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As a Christian who has read the Bible, I don’t remember reading anything anywhere that would suggest that God has the power to create souls/spirits. Physical matter, yes. But spirits, I don’t think so. Your spirit is your own, amigo. It is neither created nor can it be destroyed. It just is. None of us can blame God (or the Gods) for our shortcomings. We are what we are. Each of us can also rightfully say, “I am that I am” and find our place among the Gods.
Mapou, Are you suggesting that there is something that God cannot do? You must be reading a different Bible than I am. God created Everything including our souls. Jesus said that He created everything that was made and that nothing exists that He did not create. We know too that God created everything out of nothing(ex-nihilo) and that obviously includes our souls. In Gen. 2:7, we learn that God breathed his breath into man and the man became a living being. Our spirits are not our own. We belong to God. There is no where that suggests that our spirits are eternal. Sure, now that they have been created, they will never cease to exist, but that is different from always existing. There was a time when you(your spirit/soul) did not exist. "You" are not your body, but the real you is the spirit that indwells this piece of clay. It is widely thought that when God breathed his spirit into Adam's lifeless body, Adam received his soul. Then once Adam & Eve were created, it seems that our souls are created at the moment of conception(or some might say at the moment of implantation of the zygote in the womb). It is true that the Bible is not clear on the exact timing of when a new life receives a soul, but it is clear that the unborn baby is viewed as a person by God. JohnP is right. A created soul is immaterial, not material.tjguy
October 15, 2013
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Johnp:
But why would a created soul have to be material? If God be God, could he not create an immaterial soiul?
As a Christian who has read the Bible, I don't remember reading anything anywhere that would suggest that God has the power to create souls/spirits. Physical matter, yes. But spirits, I don't think so. Your spirit is your own, amigo. It is neither created nor can it be destroyed. It just is. None of us can blame God (or the Gods) for our shortcomings. We are what we are. Each of us can also rightfully say, "I am that I am" and find our place among the Gods.Mapou
October 14, 2013
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Querius @19: Nice!Mapou
October 14, 2013
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What I particularly dislike is the argument that something MUSTA happened because no one can come up with a better theory. - MUSTA, like evolution in the precambrian, is faster than a speeding bullet. - MUSTA is more powerful in an argument than a locomotive. - MUSTA is able to leap tall buildings of logic in a single bound. For example,
. . . and the coelacanth was thought to have evolved into roughly its current form approximately 400 million years ago. -Wikipedia
Therefore . . . - "Coelacanths MUSTA lived in an ocean environment isolated from selection pressure for 400 million years." - "Coelacanths MUSTA evolved to near perfection in their present ecological niche." - "Coelacanths MUSTA experienced significant evolutionary changes internally, but not in morphology, thus justifying the possibility of classifying modern-day specimens in a different species, maybe even genus, than its fossilized ancestors." MUSTA is the "Darwin of the gaps" logic often used by orthodox evolutionists.Querius
October 14, 2013
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JW:
It’s Jesus
True JW:
not God.
False
These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again.
Mung
October 14, 2013
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H'mm: Noticed any Boltzmann brains recently? KFkairosfocus
October 14, 2013
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Steve- Come to find out, neither of us can take a hard position on the matter. Here's what I found after a brief search: http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp
What to make of all this? MacDougall's results were flawed because the methodology used to harvest them was suspect, the sample size far too small, and the ability to measure changes in weight imprecise. For this reason, credence should not be given to the idea his experiments proved something, let alone that they measured the weight of the soul as 21 grams. His postulations on this topic are a curiosity, but nothing more. Read more at http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp#CQuuaEJbQhkzPFOd.99
I guess science has not yet caught up with curiosity in this matter. But why would a created soul have to be material? If God be God, could he not create an immaterial soiul?johnp
October 14, 2013
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Querius, Thanks for that link. Hilarious!!!Steve
October 13, 2013
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Darwinists like to engage is what is known in miliary parlance as 'plausible deniability'. We have no way to prove that their 'story' is not true, or could not be true', therefore they can carry on as if it is true. That's the devil for you. A lie wrapped in layers of truths and half-truths. Clever, that Lucifer. Clever. But at the end of the day, his light flickered and faded. And so will darwinian's light flicker and fade. Ah, but don't quote me on the exact date and hour. Im not privy to such info. Above my pay grade. But I suspect in a fit of the most delicious irony, it will pass on via a long step-wise fade out, where the music lingers abnormally long, and you could still hear its moans and wimpers in your mind, even though its long been gone from the scene.Steve
October 13, 2013
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The Bible says that "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." John 4:24 NASB His incarnated son, Jesus, is called "the author of life." In case you've never seen it, there's a humorous, sci-fi viewpoint published in 1990 by Omni magazine, titled "They're Made Out of Meat!" http://www.terrybisson.com/page6/page6.htmlQuerius
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