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		<title>By: copy_wrong</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-inner-life-of-a-cell/comment-page-2/#comment-151679</link>
		<dc:creator>copy_wrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No comments allowed on your Nov 26, 2007 post regarding the Harvard XVIVO Video?  Why is this?  Is it because you realize that you have, without question, infringed on their copyright?

Clearly you know more about copyright then you let on.  It does not matter that (1) you did not modify the video, (2) that you did not strip the copyright info, and (3) that you did not re-title the video. It does not matter that you wanted to purchase a copy of the video.  It does not matter that copies are available on YouTube.

You know this. Public display of someone else&#039;s copyrighted work is illegal. Even if you own the DVD.  Even if it is available on YouTube.  This is, of course, why you will refrain from using it in the future. You should admit this and apologize instead of posting self-serving defenses to an act which you knew was wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No comments allowed on your Nov 26, 2007 post regarding the Harvard XVIVO Video?  Why is this?  Is it because you realize that you have, without question, infringed on their copyright?</p>
<p>Clearly you know more about copyright then you let on.  It does not matter that (1) you did not modify the video, (2) that you did not strip the copyright info, and (3) that you did not re-title the video. It does not matter that you wanted to purchase a copy of the video.  It does not matter that copies are available on YouTube.</p>
<p>You know this. Public display of someone else&#8217;s copyrighted work is illegal. Even if you own the DVD.  Even if it is available on YouTube.  This is, of course, why you will refrain from using it in the future. You should admit this and apologize instead of posting self-serving defenses to an act which you knew was wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: News Release: Harvard&#8217;s XVIVO Video &#124; Uncommon Descent</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-inner-life-of-a-cell/comment-page-2/#comment-151350</link>
		<dc:creator>News Release: Harvard&#8217;s XVIVO Video &#124; Uncommon Descent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;breathtaking video&#8221; titled &#8220;The Inner Life of Cell&#8221; had just come out (see www.uncommondescent.com/&#8230;/the-inner-life-of-a-cell). The video was so good that I wanted to use it in some of my public presentations, but when I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;breathtaking video&#8221; titled &#8220;The Inner Life of Cell&#8221; had just come out (see <a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/&#8230;/the-inner-life-of-a-cell" rel="nofollow">http://www.uncommondescent.com.....-of-a-cell</a>). The video was so good that I wanted to use it in some of my public presentations, but when I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tinabrewer</title>
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		<dc:creator>tinabrewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl:  I still think you are misrepresenting what is implied here by the term &quot;common sense&quot; versus a PhD education.  In the modern world, literate people have access to worlds of information at their fingertips via the Internet.  The latest discoveries in the various sciences are no longer the secret knowledge of an elite few.  In fact, some of the existing elites, like your friend Dawkins, now go out of their way to explain to the lay public their (allegedly) scientific ideas.  In this condition, it is quite true that the person of basic common sense can easily follow this issue and to that person, it becomes increasingly OBVIOUS that the origin and development of life is MORE LIKELY to be the result of design than of chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl:  I still think you are misrepresenting what is implied here by the term &#8220;common sense&#8221; versus a PhD education.  In the modern world, literate people have access to worlds of information at their fingertips via the Internet.  The latest discoveries in the various sciences are no longer the secret knowledge of an elite few.  In fact, some of the existing elites, like your friend Dawkins, now go out of their way to explain to the lay public their (allegedly) scientific ideas.  In this condition, it is quite true that the person of basic common sense can easily follow this issue and to that person, it becomes increasingly OBVIOUS that the origin and development of life is MORE LIKELY to be the result of design than of chance.</p>
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		<title>By: David vun Kannon</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-inner-life-of-a-cell/comment-page-1/#comment-58828</link>
		<dc:creator>David vun Kannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart Harris wrote:
Darwinists donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t like these accurate representations of what goes in inside the microscopic metropolis of the cell.

Really? I wasn&#039;t around to hear the howls of discomfiture you mention, but I&#039;ve never heard any pro-evo person express a fondness for 19th century views of the cell. If I had to guess at a typical response to this video, it would be:

1) Wow!

2) You see that guy taking his bag of lipds for a walk? Comparative genomic analysis shows that was constructed by co-opting an earlier &quot;take a walk with a sugar molecule&quot; but changing the anchor blah blah blah...&quot;

The complexity generates a sense of wonder, and an opportunity to nibble away at the edges of human ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart Harris wrote:<br />
Darwinists donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t like these accurate representations of what goes in inside the microscopic metropolis of the cell.</p>
<p>Really? I wasn&#8217;t around to hear the howls of discomfiture you mention, but I&#8217;ve never heard any pro-evo person express a fondness for 19th century views of the cell. If I had to guess at a typical response to this video, it would be:</p>
<p>1) Wow!</p>
<p>2) You see that guy taking his bag of lipds for a walk? Comparative genomic analysis shows that was constructed by co-opting an earlier &#8220;take a walk with a sugar molecule&#8221; but changing the anchor blah blah blah&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The complexity generates a sense of wonder, and an opportunity to nibble away at the edges of human ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Pfluger</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-inner-life-of-a-cell/comment-page-1/#comment-58786</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Pfluger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 08:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tinabrewer wrote:
&quot;Karl: You and Gil are using the concept of Ã¢â‚¬Å“obviousnessÃ¢â‚¬Â differently: you use it to mean an unlearned gut reaction based upon daily experience. Gil, on the other hand, seems to have in mind the kind of obvious which screams at you when you study something exhaustively and get ever finer and more complex levels of detail the more you study.&quot;

I&#039;m afraid not, Tina.  Look at this excerpt from his latest post:
&quot;These quintessential questions are never asked because the answer is obvious: There is no chance that this could have happened, and most people with a modicum of common sense figure this out. One needs a Ph.D. in evolutionary theory to not figure this out.&quot;

He&#039;s saying it&#039;s obvious, it&#039;s common sense, and only the eggheads with PhD&#039;s in evolutionary biology can&#039;t see it.  This is &lt;i&gt;exactly&lt;/i&gt; the sort of complacent attitude about the &quot;obvious&quot; that I am criticizing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tinabrewer wrote:<br />
&#8220;Karl: You and Gil are using the concept of Ã¢â‚¬Å“obviousnessÃ¢â‚¬Â differently: you use it to mean an unlearned gut reaction based upon daily experience. Gil, on the other hand, seems to have in mind the kind of obvious which screams at you when you study something exhaustively and get ever finer and more complex levels of detail the more you study.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid not, Tina.  Look at this excerpt from his latest post:<br />
&#8220;These quintessential questions are never asked because the answer is obvious: There is no chance that this could have happened, and most people with a modicum of common sense figure this out. One needs a Ph.D. in evolutionary theory to not figure this out.&#8221;</p>
<p>He&#8217;s saying it&#8217;s obvious, it&#8217;s common sense, and only the eggheads with PhD&#8217;s in evolutionary biology can&#8217;t see it.  This is <i>exactly</i> the sort of complacent attitude about the &#8220;obvious&#8221; that I am criticizing.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hyland</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-inner-life-of-a-cell/comment-page-1/#comment-58708</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Hyland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can you explain - in a few words, or insert some links - what exactly Ã¢â‚¬Å“transcriptional networkÃ¢â‚¬Â means.&quot;

Its a network where the nodes are genes and the connections show one gene affection the level of transcription of the other. Obviously when you take into account all the genes in a genome the network gets pretty large, but on a small scale you can see &#039;motifs&#039; consisting of just a few genes that can act in a similar way to logic circuits.

&quot;Is the clutter just Ã¢â‚¬Å“debrisÃ¢â‚¬Â or is it stuff thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s part of other similarly ordered processes?&quot;

It&#039;s because that video only shows a few processes when there are in fact hundreds of different tyes of protiens in the cell, not to mention other molecules, which are all swirling around bumping into each other. Ive seen 3d simulations of ecoli cells with realistic enzyme concentrations of just one signalling pathway and it looks like a jar of bees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can you explain &#8211; in a few words, or insert some links &#8211; what exactly Ã¢â‚¬Å“transcriptional networkÃ¢â‚¬Â means.&#8221;</p>
<p>Its a network where the nodes are genes and the connections show one gene affection the level of transcription of the other. Obviously when you take into account all the genes in a genome the network gets pretty large, but on a small scale you can see &#8216;motifs&#8217; consisting of just a few genes that can act in a similar way to logic circuits.</p>
<p>&#8220;Is the clutter just Ã¢â‚¬Å“debrisÃ¢â‚¬Â or is it stuff thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s part of other similarly ordered processes?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s because that video only shows a few processes when there are in fact hundreds of different tyes of protiens in the cell, not to mention other molecules, which are all swirling around bumping into each other. Ive seen 3d simulations of ecoli cells with realistic enzyme concentrations of just one signalling pathway and it looks like a jar of bees.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-inner-life-of-a-cell/comment-page-1/#comment-58703</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KP:
&lt;i&gt;The day we accept the Ã¢â‚¬Å“obviousÃ¢â‚¬Â as invariably true is the day science dies.&lt;/i&gt;

And that is why evolutionism is dead. 

&quot;Obviously&quot; common descent via the blind watchmaker is invariably true, we just need to work out the &quot;details&quot;. This concept is so obvious anyone who questions it does so because of fundamentalist beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KP:<br />
<i>The day we accept the Ã¢â‚¬Å“obviousÃ¢â‚¬Â as invariably true is the day science dies.</i></p>
<p>And that is why evolutionism is dead. </p>
<p>&#8220;Obviously&#8221; common descent via the blind watchmaker is invariably true, we just need to work out the &#8220;details&#8221;. This concept is so obvious anyone who questions it does so because of fundamentalist beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-inner-life-of-a-cell/comment-page-1/#comment-58689</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 21:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl: And when we question the \&quot;obvious\&quot; with regard to all phyla developing gradually through a blind, purposeless, non-teleological process based on the primitive 19th century notion that the cell is nothing but a useless blob of protoplasm, we inevitably arrive at a Design inference. We have new data. It\&#039;s time to question the Victorian mysticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl: And when we question the \&#8221;obvious\&#8221; with regard to all phyla developing gradually through a blind, purposeless, non-teleological process based on the primitive 19th century notion that the cell is nothing but a useless blob of protoplasm, we inevitably arrive at a Design inference. We have new data. It\&#8217;s time to question the Victorian mysticism.</p>
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		<title>By: sagebrush gardener</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-inner-life-of-a-cell/comment-page-1/#comment-58687</link>
		<dc:creator>sagebrush gardener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 21:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Fortunately, scientists question the Ã¢â‚¬Å“obviousÃ¢â‚¬Â all of the time.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The interesting thing is, that with these and other commonly cited examples (such as the apparent flatness of the earth), the more we learn the more it becomes apparent that the &quot;obvious&quot; answer was wrong.  

But when it comes to the machinery of life, the opposite is occurring.  The more we learn, the more life appears to be designed, and the harder evolutionists have to work to explain away the increasing appearance of design.  It reminds me of how increasingly accurate observations of the motion of the planets forced geocentric theory to become increasingly complex and convoluted until finally the whole laboriously constructed edifice collapsed under its own weight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Fortunately, scientists question the Ã¢â‚¬Å“obviousÃ¢â‚¬Â all of the time.
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<p>The interesting thing is, that with these and other commonly cited examples (such as the apparent flatness of the earth), the more we learn the more it becomes apparent that the &#8220;obvious&#8221; answer was wrong.  </p>
<p>But when it comes to the machinery of life, the opposite is occurring.  The more we learn, the more life appears to be designed, and the harder evolutionists have to work to explain away the increasing appearance of design.  It reminds me of how increasingly accurate observations of the motion of the planets forced geocentric theory to become increasingly complex and convoluted until finally the whole laboriously constructed edifice collapsed under its own weight.</p>
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		<title>By: tinabrewer</title>
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		<dc:creator>tinabrewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl:  You and Gil are using the concept of &quot;obviousness&quot; differently:  you use it to mean an unlearned gut reaction based upon daily experience.  Gil, on the other hand, seems to have in mind the kind of obvious which screams at you when you study something exhaustively and get ever finer and more complex levels of detail the more you study.  These are incomparable situations, so your analogy doesn&#039;t really help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl:  You and Gil are using the concept of &#8220;obviousness&#8221; differently:  you use it to mean an unlearned gut reaction based upon daily experience.  Gil, on the other hand, seems to have in mind the kind of obvious which screams at you when you study something exhaustively and get ever finer and more complex levels of detail the more you study.  These are incomparable situations, so your analogy doesn&#8217;t really help.</p>
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