Comments on: The Expelled film: Straws in the wind, and other news

By: MattWright

MattWright — Wed, 28 May 2008 10:06:00 +0000

Can’t say I find the influence of Darwin upon Nietzsche, and Nietzsche upon Hitler a surprise, or even controversial.
The idea of Man and Superman fits the bill for the Fuehrer. It is easy to find many scholars who support the idea that Nietzsche believed in an atheistic organic evolution, although he wanted to modify some of its philosophical implications, and that he owed this mainly to Darwin.
The question becomes then, did Hitler, or Stalin, work out the logical consequences of their atheistic belief in evolution, or was it some other strange insertion that led to mass murder? It’s obviously complicated, too complicated for a populist documentary, but beliefs do have consequences, and these need to be looked at squarely. So I can’t see this aspect of Expelled as anything other than fair game.

By: DaveScot

DaveScot — Sat, 24 May 2008 09:32:22 +0000

Denyse

True, Behe wasn’t expelled, per se. But neither were Bruce Chapman, Richard Weikart, Gerald Schroeder, Michael Egnor, or David Berlinski, all of whom were interviewed in Expelled. The argument that Behe didn’t appear because he didn’t suffer enough doesn’t hold water and then we remain with the fact that perhaps the single most recognizable name in ID was left on the cutting room floor. This demands a better explanation than Behe wasn’t a martyr.

My guess as to why is because Behe doesn’t buy into the Darwin/Hitler rubbish and/or he gives Darwinian mutation/selection too much credit over billions of years of descent with modification while not showing proper deference to the 144-hour creation mythologists.

By: O'Leary

O'Leary — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:41:42 +0000

Hi, interested.

Controversy swirls around Moore’s documentaries, to be sure, but that demonstrates that he guessed accurately what people care about.

He may well have misrepresented key facts, but the mere fact that some people are shouting Lies! lies! is only to be expected – whether he got it right or not.

While we are here, caution, Stone!

We can only understand Revelation by treating it as a mirror. It’s NOT intended as a flashlight to illuminate closets in the lives of others.

By: Stone

Stone — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:43:14 +0000

“During my seminary days in the mid 90s, the joke was that UCC (United Church of Christ) stands for Unitarians Considering Christ. It was by far the most liberal protestant denomination in the U.S. at the time, having approved, for instance, homosexual clergy well before the Episcopalians, Methodists, and Presbyterians got around to it. That the UCC should endorse materialist evolution at the expense of ID is therefore hardly surprising — if anything, it’s a recommendation for our cause.”

I think it’s rather humorous that Christ has become synonomous with American Conservatives.

I look to the Book of revelations, people fail to realize apocalyptic was a style of writing, the author of that book was attempting to criticize a group of wealthy imperialistic closet homosexuals, yet, I see republicans quoting from it.. who are exactly that.. a group of imperialist closet homosexuals…

Time changes things I guess……

By: interested

interested — Tue, 20 May 2008 06:41:51 +0000

i would hardly want us to compare expelled to a moore film. his movies are largely fiction masquerading as documentary.

By: jinxmchue

jinxmchue — Tue, 20 May 2008 03:01:59 +0000

So the evolutionists want it both ways. On the one hand, they dismiss the thousands of scientists who have expressed doubts about the theory of evolution because many of the scientists aren’t biologists (or, more accurately, evolutionary biologists). Yet on the other, they proudly tout the thousands of non-scientist “Christian leaders” who say that evolution doesn’t conflict with faith. Go figure.

By: F2XL

F2XL — Tue, 20 May 2008 02:09:05 +0000

“P.S. Barack Obama’s Jeremiah Wright is a UCC minister.”

Might that explain the following?

http://whereistand.com/BarackObama/3748

And we thought Judge Jones had it all wrong…

By: O'Leary

O'Leary — Mon, 19 May 2008 21:05:54 +0000

KevinS raises an important point: Roger and Me was so long ago that it must be evaluated by Then dollars.

But it may also resemble Expelled in another, more significant way: It made a huge amount of money right up front because an audience primed to hear its message streamed to the theatres.

I enjoyed Roger and Me – on DVD ten years later, after it had become obvious that the Rust Belt problem was more complex than uncaring plutocrats.

The real success of Expelled depends entirely on whether it becomes a focus for change, as Roger and Me did not.

By: O'Leary

O'Leary — Mon, 19 May 2008 20:54:31 +0000

Go here for information on UCC’s massive membership decline. Apparently, it’s got worse since 2005.

No, membership ISN’T everything. But when committed Christians are fleeing from every door and window that can be forced open, … The rest of us find out when we welcome the refugees.

Imagine AAAS paying flacks who don’t even know this stuff, when it’s so basic.

By: O'Leary

O'Leary — Mon, 19 May 2008 20:40:23 +0000

The fact that the AAAS PR team would think they were making headway by pointing to the United Church of Christ demonstrates just how out of touch they are.