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		<title>By: absolutist</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-eerie-laughter/comment-page-1/#comment-349161</link>
		<dc:creator>absolutist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SETI = ID&#039;s publicist.

SETI related articles like this one are always full of PR for ID:

&lt;blockquote&gt;message = evidence&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;footprint = intelligence&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;artifacts = telltale signs&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;traces of technology = intelligence&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;watch for: anomalous presence of something that should not be there&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;look for: artifact&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;look for: terrestrial microbiology tampering&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;self-replicating and self-repairing biological nanosystems that conserve information for millions of years&lt;/blockquote&gt;

All eyes converging on information found in observing molecular machines.  Not just traces of it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SETI = ID&#8217;s publicist.</p>
<p>SETI related articles like this one are always full of PR for ID:</p>
<blockquote><p>message = evidence</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>footprint = intelligence</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>artifacts = telltale signs</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>traces of technology = intelligence</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>watch for: anomalous presence of something that should not be there</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>look for: artifact</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>look for: terrestrial microbiology tampering</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>self-replicating and self-repairing biological nanosystems that conserve information for millions of years</p></blockquote>
<p>All eyes converging on information found in observing molecular machines.  Not just traces of it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bantay</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-eerie-laughter/comment-page-1/#comment-349152</link>
		<dc:creator>Bantay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some possibilities, just in case Davie&#039;s ETs have existed at some time in the past.

1. They might have already discovered we earthlings and decided that we are not interesting enough to establish communications with. Yep, that&#039;s right. We might appear quite boring to them.

2. Intelligent ETs may consider direct evidence of their existence to be harmful to our historically  problematic existence. A truly caring ET would prevent ET detection, for our benefit.

3. Intelligent ETs might be more likely to be discovered accidentally. I mean, they would be discovered not because of our research, but because of a mistake, a slip-up on their part.

4. Given the miraculous number and degree of fine-tuned parameters that must be met for intelligent life to even exist, maybe intelligent ETs just don&#039;t exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some possibilities, just in case Davie&#8217;s ETs have existed at some time in the past.</p>
<p>1. They might have already discovered we earthlings and decided that we are not interesting enough to establish communications with. Yep, that&#8217;s right. We might appear quite boring to them.</p>
<p>2. Intelligent ETs may consider direct evidence of their existence to be harmful to our historically  problematic existence. A truly caring ET would prevent ET detection, for our benefit.</p>
<p>3. Intelligent ETs might be more likely to be discovered accidentally. I mean, they would be discovered not because of our research, but because of a mistake, a slip-up on their part.</p>
<p>4. Given the miraculous number and degree of fine-tuned parameters that must be met for intelligent life to even exist, maybe intelligent ETs just don&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: bornagain77</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-eerie-laughter/comment-page-1/#comment-349141</link>
		<dc:creator>bornagain77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 03:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if SETI would accept this message:

Search For Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence - SETI receives message from God,,,,, Almost - video
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4007753/seti_search_for_extraterrestrial_intelligence_finds_god_almost/

This following &quot;message&quot; from &quot;out there&quot; was a little more direct, and had a whole lot more CSI.

One Easter Sunday Sunrise Service - video
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3995314/miracle_one_easter_sunday_morning/

I laughed when I read this:

&quot;the time has come to widen the search from radio signals. Using the full array of scientific methods, from genomics&quot;

 I think the message we receive from our fantastically complex genome is very clear, it is a message telling us we are fearfully and wonderfully made by God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if SETI would accept this message:</p>
<p>Search For Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence &#8211; SETI receives message from God,,,,, Almost &#8211; video<br />
<a href="http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4007753/seti_search_for_extraterrestrial_intelligence_finds_god_almost/" rel="nofollow">http://www.metacafe.com/watch/.....od_almost/</a></p>
<p>This following &#8220;message&#8221; from &#8220;out there&#8221; was a little more direct, and had a whole lot more CSI.</p>
<p>One Easter Sunday Sunrise Service &#8211; video<br />
<a href="http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3995314/miracle_one_easter_sunday_morning/" rel="nofollow">http://www.metacafe.com/watch/.....y_morning/</a></p>
<p>I laughed when I read this:</p>
<p>&#8220;the time has come to widen the search from radio signals. Using the full array of scientific methods, from genomics&#8221;</p>
<p> I think the message we receive from our fantastically complex genome is very clear, it is a message telling us we are fearfully and wonderfully made by God.</p>
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		<title>By: gleaner63</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-eerie-laughter/comment-page-1/#comment-349135</link>
		<dc:creator>gleaner63</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 01:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If for some reasons the aliens are actually interested in us, I think they are probably already here, and given a certain level of technology, if would probably be easy to hide from us, even on a daily basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If for some reasons the aliens are actually interested in us, I think they are probably already here, and given a certain level of technology, if would probably be easy to hide from us, even on a daily basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Sheldon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Sheldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do we always imagine that the &quot;method&quot; of communication will be exotic or extreme? Perhaps it is so commonplace we don&#039;t even get surprised. Suppose, for example, that the alien race uses &quot;brain waves&quot; and communicates with us via &quot;dreams&quot;. How would we know it was aliens?

Perhaps by testing the &quot;content&quot; of the message. If we are getting information that cannot have been collected by any known human method (say, specific info about the future), then this is a candidate for &quot;alien messages&quot;.

Once you start thinking along those lines, I believe you will begin to conclude that there are lots of candidate messages...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do we always imagine that the &#8220;method&#8221; of communication will be exotic or extreme? Perhaps it is so commonplace we don&#8217;t even get surprised. Suppose, for example, that the alien race uses &#8220;brain waves&#8221; and communicates with us via &#8220;dreams&#8221;. How would we know it was aliens?</p>
<p>Perhaps by testing the &#8220;content&#8221; of the message. If we are getting information that cannot have been collected by any known human method (say, specific info about the future), then this is a candidate for &#8220;alien messages&#8221;.</p>
<p>Once you start thinking along those lines, I believe you will begin to conclude that there are lots of candidate messages&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Seversky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seversky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own view is that more advanced aliens are unlikely to use radio if there is something better.  It is way too slow.  You&#039;re talking about saying &quot;Hi!&quot; and waiting &lt;b&gt;nine years&lt;/b&gt; to see if someone answers from the &lt;b&gt;nearest&lt;/b&gt; star system.  It&#039;s not exactly going to make for scintillating conversation.

I&#039;d hope for something like the network of wormholes that underpins the plots of movies like &lt;i&gt;Contact&lt;/i&gt; or TV shows like the &lt;i&gt;Stargate&lt;/i&gt; franchise.  But it could be something we haven&#039;t even imagined yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own view is that more advanced aliens are unlikely to use radio if there is something better.  It is way too slow.  You&#8217;re talking about saying &#8220;Hi!&#8221; and waiting <b>nine years</b> to see if someone answers from the <b>nearest</b> star system.  It&#8217;s not exactly going to make for scintillating conversation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d hope for something like the network of wormholes that underpins the plots of movies like <i>Contact</i> or TV shows like the <i>Stargate</i> franchise.  But it could be something we haven&#8217;t even imagined yet.</p>
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		<title>By: wagenweg</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-eerie-laughter/comment-page-1/#comment-349125</link>
		<dc:creator>wagenweg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;According to the standard theory, our universe sprang into existence as &quot;singularity&quot; around 13.7 billion years ago. What is a &quot;singularity&quot; and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, we don&#039;t know for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics.&quot;
From http://www.big-bang-theory.com/

I&#039;m no expert but if this is true? (and I&#039;m assuming the SETI folks believe it is) Then they would have to understand the physics from the other side of the singularity if the message came from another universe because the physics that created the message would be changed when emerging from one side of the singularity to the other. And it doing so possibly destoying or changing the message that would unrecognizable because all of our technology is based on how we understand the physical properties of our universe.

If sound/message came from our universe, then they would have to accomidate for the change in the massege as it travels through atmospheres of planets either slowing it down, speeding it up or changing the messages direction which again may change it into something unrecognizable as we do not fully understand what may or may not happen on the outer edges within our universe. 

Like I said, I&#039;m no expert but I don&#039;t like seeing my tax dollars go to a program that hasn&#039;t produced in 50 years.  If SETI was a football player it would have been traded to the Buffalo Bills along time ago. :)  (PS I&#039;m a Bills fan by marriage)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;According to the standard theory, our universe sprang into existence as &#8220;singularity&#8221; around 13.7 billion years ago. What is a &#8220;singularity&#8221; and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, we don&#8217;t know for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics.&#8221;<br />
From <a href="http://www.big-bang-theory.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.big-bang-theory.com/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m no expert but if this is true? (and I&#8217;m assuming the SETI folks believe it is) Then they would have to understand the physics from the other side of the singularity if the message came from another universe because the physics that created the message would be changed when emerging from one side of the singularity to the other. And it doing so possibly destoying or changing the message that would unrecognizable because all of our technology is based on how we understand the physical properties of our universe.</p>
<p>If sound/message came from our universe, then they would have to accomidate for the change in the massege as it travels through atmospheres of planets either slowing it down, speeding it up or changing the messages direction which again may change it into something unrecognizable as we do not fully understand what may or may not happen on the outer edges within our universe. </p>
<p>Like I said, I&#8217;m no expert but I don&#8217;t like seeing my tax dollars go to a program that hasn&#8217;t produced in 50 years.  If SETI was a football player it would have been traded to the Buffalo Bills along time ago. <img src='http://www.uncommondescent.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   (PS I&#8217;m a Bills fan by marriage)</p>
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