Since my previous post seems to have disappeared, simply examine section 130 (3) of the German “Strafgesetzbuch”. Paraphrasing: to deny or render harmless the acts of the Nazis is punishable by fines and/or jail time. In Lerle’s case, he did the latter, which is why he only received one year instead of the maximum of five.

…he called Auschwitz a deception…

Post the quote where he calls Auschwitz “a deception.”

Like it or not, that’s a crime in Germany.

Cite please. Preferably a reference to German law.

…the guy says that Jews are bent on world domination and Auschwitz is faked.

Post the quote, please, where he claims Auschwitz is faked.

Lerle is in trouble because he said the holocaust didn’t happen.

Post the quote, please, where he says the holocaust did not happen.

He’s denying that 6 million Jews were killed.

Post the quote, please, where he denies 6 million Jews were killed.

This is wiki’s definition:

If wiki’s definition is not the definition used by the German legal system, why is it even relevant, since the debate is obvioulsy whether he was guilty of the vroim he was charged with under German law?

Frankly, I don’t believe any of you “deniers” because you fail to supply the evidence which would substantiate your questionable claims.

Interesting response. You reveal more about yourself by this comment than all the previous comments.

As for Germany’s Holocaust denial laws, they don’t fit well with American views of free speech, but most democracies, including vibrant ones, have laws against publishing incitement or racial hatred.

I agree that the comments you posted about Lerles are that of a nutcase and should be dealt with accordingly but imprisonment seems extreme to us in the US for such an offense. We could rid the streets of a lot of people in the US for making similar types of accusations.

The real issue is the attempt of the COE to marginalize dissent and as Patrick said above, Lerles is a side show meant to distract from the basic issue.

Another side issue is what is the truth in the past jail terms of those who have opposed abortion. Was it for verbal opposition only or was it for something more extreme such as physical actions. It is one thing to oppose abortion and call it murder, another to march within a certain distance of an abortion clinic and another to shoot an abortion doctor. It would be interesting to see how many and for what, people received jail sentences. It may be all hyperbole or it could be pernicious to dissent.

The second injustice is the sentencing of Lerles to a year in prison, which is the minor part of the post and used mainly to show what dissent can lead to, Apparently Lerles already previously spent 8 months in prison for protesting abortion. I do not know the particulars of this but there was no reference to the holocaust for this imprisonment, only that he opposed abortion. Apparently there have been others who have opposed abortion and have served short jail sentences. It brings up unpleasant memories of Hitler.

It is interesting the COE is advocating a favorite doctrine of Hitler and trying to marginalize any dissent from that while German courts throw in jail people who use language similar to what the Nazi’s use.

More of Lerle’s writings below. I suggest this site and the other people promoting this falsehood retract it really, really fast, because this one is about to come back and bite you.

Translated by me from http://www.johannes-lerle.de/S.....sverhetzer

“Why did America intervene in the Second World War? The Jew-controlled propaganda media played up Hitler’s crimes and agitated for a crusade at Stalin’s side for democracy and for religious liberty. Why didn’t America fight together with Hitler against Stalin? After all, Stalin’s body count was many times Hitler’s. Also Stalin, in contrast to Hitler, was not democratically legitimized, and he granted less religious liberty than the much-maligned German dictator. But such facts were concealed at that time in by the World-Jewry controlled propaganda press.

That the people whom Jesus Christ called “liars”, “hypocrites” and “murderers”, are long gone, does not mean that their spiritual descendants are not murderers. The opposite is constantly being confirmed. Both Iran and Iraq threatened the state of Israel. So “jewish”–dominated America at the time of President Reagan supported the later much maligned Saddam Hussein in his war of aggression against Iran, with satellite photography and weapons, including war gas. That war cost approximately a million human lives. If it is not murder to push two peoples to war with each other, then what is murder?”

So I leave off discussing with these die hard Darwinists over Lerle’s charge of holocaust denial with regards to his anti-abortion speeches (clearly in the reports).