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	<title>Comments on: Susan Mazur&#8217;s Exposé of the Evolution Industry</title>
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		<title>By: JPCollado</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/susan-mazurs-expose-of-the-evolution-industry/comment-page-2/#comment-344373</link>
		<dc:creator>JPCollado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 05:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really do wonder how far hatred/animosity towards a particular ideology would go into affecting a person&#039;s attitude/treatment of those who espouse such ideology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really do wonder how far hatred/animosity towards a particular ideology would go into affecting a person&#8217;s attitude/treatment of those who espouse such ideology.</p>
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		<title>By: JPCollado</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/susan-mazurs-expose-of-the-evolution-industry/comment-page-2/#comment-344371</link>
		<dc:creator>JPCollado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 05:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the kind of disdain and emotional response that the ID position evokes in many Darwinians, I am surprised that anyone would doubt that such dismissals are not a possibility, their probability increasing in direct relation to the level of revulsion.  

Anyone with an iota of common sense and limited observation powers will easily concede that such vile and venemous hatred always leads to an environment of harassment.  It doesn&#039;t take a smart person to realize this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the kind of disdain and emotional response that the ID position evokes in many Darwinians, I am surprised that anyone would doubt that such dismissals are not a possibility, their probability increasing in direct relation to the level of revulsion.  </p>
<p>Anyone with an iota of common sense and limited observation powers will easily concede that such vile and venemous hatred always leads to an environment of harassment.  It doesn&#8217;t take a smart person to realize this.</p>
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		<title>By: Heinrich</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/susan-mazurs-expose-of-the-evolution-industry/comment-page-2/#comment-344116</link>
		<dc:creator>Heinrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Collin - certainly I deny demoted and persecuted.  Harassed, possibly, depending on what exactly happened.  It&#039;s clear that one person at the NMNH didn&#039;t like him, so there would have been a frosty atmosphere when that person was around.  But more than that I can&#039;t say - I wasn&#039;t there and I haven&#039;t seen allegations about specific events.

And, so as not to get away from my main point - does anyone have any evidence to back up allegations of what happened at NCBI?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Collin &#8211; certainly I deny demoted and persecuted.  Harassed, possibly, depending on what exactly happened.  It&#8217;s clear that one person at the NMNH didn&#8217;t like him, so there would have been a frosty atmosphere when that person was around.  But more than that I can&#8217;t say &#8211; I wasn&#8217;t there and I haven&#8217;t seen allegations about specific events.</p>
<p>And, so as not to get away from my main point &#8211; does anyone have any evidence to back up allegations of what happened at NCBI?</p>
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		<title>By: Collin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Collin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heinrich,

I&#039;m wondering, do you deny that he was harassed, demoted and/or persecuted for his belief in intelligent design?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heinrich,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering, do you deny that he was harassed, demoted and/or persecuted for his belief in intelligent design?</p>
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		<title>By: Heinrich</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/susan-mazurs-expose-of-the-evolution-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-344022</link>
		<dc:creator>Heinrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He resigned from his position as Staff scientist at the National Center for Biotechnology Information after it became impossible to continue working there because of changes to working conditions both formal and informal.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
What evidence do you have for this?  I haven&#039;t heard anything about why he left the NCBI: the only mention of them in his claims is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.richardsternberg.org/smithsonian.php?page=summary&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Pressure was put on the National Center for Biotechnology Information (part of the National Institutes of Health) to fire me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Nothing about changes to the working conditions.

All of the allegations investigated by the OSC were about what happened at the NMNH, which is a totally different institute to the NCBI, who were Sternberg&#039;s employers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He resigned from his position as Staff scientist at the National Center for Biotechnology Information after it became impossible to continue working there because of changes to working conditions both formal and informal.</p></blockquote>
<p>What evidence do you have for this?  I haven&#8217;t heard anything about why he left the NCBI: the only mention of them in his claims is <a href="http://www.richardsternberg.org/smithsonian.php?page=summary" rel="nofollow">this</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Pressure was put on the National Center for Biotechnology Information (part of the National Institutes of Health) to fire me.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nothing about changes to the working conditions.</p>
<p>All of the allegations investigated by the OSC were about what happened at the NMNH, which is a totally different institute to the NCBI, who were Sternberg&#8217;s employers.</p>
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		<title>By: Cable</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/susan-mazurs-expose-of-the-evolution-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-343994</link>
		<dc:creator>Cable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#27

Follow the link because you don&#039;t seem to understand what constructive dismissal is.  

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/constructive-dismissal.html

It is a very obvious clear cut case of constructive dismissal.

If someone attempts to answer your question you ignore it and pretend it hasn&#039;t been answered.  

He resigned from his position as Staff scientist at the National Center for Biotechnology Information after it became impossible to continue working there because of changes to working conditions both formal and informal.  This amounts to constructive dismissal by even the strictest definition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#27</p>
<p>Follow the link because you don&#8217;t seem to understand what constructive dismissal is.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/constructive-dismissal.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessdictionary......issal.html</a></p>
<p>It is a very obvious clear cut case of constructive dismissal.</p>
<p>If someone attempts to answer your question you ignore it and pretend it hasn&#8217;t been answered.  </p>
<p>He resigned from his position as Staff scientist at the National Center for Biotechnology Information after it became impossible to continue working there because of changes to working conditions both formal and informal.  This amounts to constructive dismissal by even the strictest definition.</p>
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		<title>By: Heinrich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heinrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Nobody said that NCBI fired Sternberg; Barb mentioned how she was mystified that people lose their jobs because of their disbelief in evolution.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Right, so where was he fired/constructively dismissed from?  Can&#039;t be the Smithsonian - they didn&#039;t employ him.  What job did he lose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Nobody said that NCBI fired Sternberg; Barb mentioned how she was mystified that people lose their jobs because of their disbelief in evolution.</p></blockquote>
<p>Right, so where was he fired/constructively dismissed from?  Can&#8217;t be the Smithsonian &#8211; they didn&#8217;t employ him.  What job did he lose?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cabal,

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ncseexposed.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&quot;Expelled Exposed&quot; Exposed: Your One-Stop Rebuttal to Attacks on the Documentary Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

When your agenda driven link is exposed is it really too much to let the facts speak for themselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cabal,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncseexposed.org/" rel="nofollow"><b>&#8220;Expelled Exposed&#8221; Exposed: Your One-Stop Rebuttal to Attacks on the Documentary Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed</b></a></p>
<p>When your agenda driven link is exposed is it really too much to let the facts speak for themselves?</p>
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		<title>By: Barb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cabal @ 24-
I may have erred in including Gonzales, but then again, the person who was leading the debate not to give him tenure was an outspoken atheist.

It takes no stretching of any facts to see that these people were harassed and, in some cases, fired or dismissed because of what they believe.  

Since you&#039;re familiar with a website debunking Stein&#039;s film, can I ask if you&#039;ve seen the film itself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cabal @ 24-<br />
I may have erred in including Gonzales, but then again, the person who was leading the debate not to give him tenure was an outspoken atheist.</p>
<p>It takes no stretching of any facts to see that these people were harassed and, in some cases, fired or dismissed because of what they believe.  </p>
<p>Since you&#8217;re familiar with a website debunking Stein&#8217;s film, can I ask if you&#8217;ve seen the film itself?</p>
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		<title>By: Cabal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cabal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as for Gonzales - he was not fired. One may get tenure - or not, and that&#039;s that.

For the rest - http://www.expelledexposed.com/

We find them all there, and it takes some stretching of fact to claim they were Expelled.

Is it too much to ask that the facts are laid bare; don&#039;t they speak for themselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as for Gonzales &#8211; he was not fired. One may get tenure &#8211; or not, and that&#8217;s that.</p>
<p>For the rest &#8211; <a href="http://www.expelledexposed.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.expelledexposed.com/</a></p>
<p>We find them all there, and it takes some stretching of fact to claim they were Expelled.</p>
<p>Is it too much to ask that the facts are laid bare; don&#8217;t they speak for themselves?</p>
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