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	<title>Comments on: So where ARE the Friends of Robert Marks? Of intellectual freedom at Baylor?</title>
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		<title>By: Baylor closes ranks, defends Darwin against all lines of evidence &#124; Uncommon Descent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baylor closes ranks, defends Darwin against all lines of evidence &#124; Uncommon Descent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BaylorÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s move to shut down Prof. Robert MarksÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s exposure of Darwinism as the Enron of biology is a harder line than the institution took seven years ago. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] BaylorÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s move to shut down Prof. Robert MarksÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s exposure of Darwinism as the Enron of biology is a harder line than the institution took seven years ago. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MEDIA COVERAGE: Baylor, Robert Marks, and the Evolutionary Informatics Lab &#124; Uncommon Descent</title>
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		<dc:creator>MEDIA COVERAGE: Baylor, Robert Marks, and the Evolutionary Informatics Lab &#124; Uncommon Descent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Recent Comments Daniel King: Phinehas #209: I am pleasantly surprised to learn that we are not far apart in understanding that our... russ: Do they teach Christian Ethics or any kind of ethics at Baylor? This might be an interesting case study for the... tribune7: Gil, thanks for the music! bornagain77: Bob O&#8217;H If you haven&#8217;t read it, I suggest you read Dr. J.C.Sanford&#8217;s book... Joseph: Genetic Entropy IS THE LOSS OF INFORMATION!!!!! OH REALLY????!!!1??? So, does genetic entropy have nothing to... Bob O&#039;H: bornagain77 - can you give me a direct answer. Are you saying that genetic entropy has nothing to do with... Jehu: Well said. Chemfarmer: So true! or What shall it profit a (university) if it gain the whole world and lose its own soul? DaveScot: chemfarmer Radio waves hitting a conductor cause electron flow. That&#8217;s how radio antennas work. Put a... Chemfarmer: Bornagain77: I don&#8217;t mean to be discouraging, but thermodynamics says that the radio energy in... bornagain77: Very Off Topic; O&#8217;Leary, you have probably already heard about this. but A scientist has... Smidlee: Surprise: Not all Baptists are Christians. Phinehas: By the way, thank you very much for what I believe was an honest attempt to address the issue at hand. I... Phinehas: DK: I agree completely. The Ã¢â‚¬Å“conceptÃ¢â‚¬Â of truth obviously transcends perception, inasmuch as concepts... bornagain77: Bob O&#8217;H Ditto to Jehu&#8217;s comment! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Recent Comments Daniel King: Phinehas #209: I am pleasantly surprised to learn that we are not far apart in understanding that our&#8230; russ: Do they teach Christian Ethics or any kind of ethics at Baylor? This might be an interesting case study for the&#8230; tribune7: Gil, thanks for the music! bornagain77: Bob O&#8217;H If you haven&#8217;t read it, I suggest you read Dr. J.C.Sanford&#8217;s book&#8230; Joseph: Genetic Entropy IS THE LOSS OF INFORMATION!!!!! OH REALLY????!!!1??? So, does genetic entropy have nothing to&#8230; Bob O&#8217;H: bornagain77 &#8211; can you give me a direct answer. Are you saying that genetic entropy has nothing to do with&#8230; Jehu: Well said. Chemfarmer: So true! or What shall it profit a (university) if it gain the whole world and lose its own soul? DaveScot: chemfarmer Radio waves hitting a conductor cause electron flow. That&#8217;s how radio antennas work. Put a&#8230; Chemfarmer: Bornagain77: I don&#8217;t mean to be discouraging, but thermodynamics says that the radio energy in&#8230; bornagain77: Very Off Topic; O&#8217;Leary, you have probably already heard about this. but A scientist has&#8230; Smidlee: Surprise: Not all Baptists are Christians. Phinehas: By the way, thank you very much for what I believe was an honest attempt to address the issue at hand. I&#8230; Phinehas: DK: I agree completely. The Ã¢â‚¬Å“conceptÃ¢â‚¬Â of truth obviously transcends perception, inasmuch as concepts&#8230; bornagain77: Bob O&#8217;H Ditto to Jehu&#8217;s comment! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DaveScot</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveScot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chemfarmer

Radio waves hitting a conductor cause electron flow.  That&#039;s how radio antennas work.  Put a ceramic cup with gold leaf decoration in a microwave and watch the electrical sparks fly for an easy demonstration.

It would thus seem to be (but not neccessarily correct) that it is electrolysis that&#039;s producing the free hydrogen and a simple matter to determine if the energy used to break the hydrogen bonds in the water is less than the energy produced by recombining them.

The odd part of this is that  saltwater is somehow an efficient enough antenna to produce an electron flow.  In normal circumstances the antenna has to be a quarter wavelength or greater to be very efficient but RF is weird enough and less than fully understood enough so that surprises still happen even today (such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/cfa/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt;). One would expect, as the original researcher did, that the RF energy would simply become heat energy - heating the water instead of electrolyzing it.

The researcher was principally investigating nanometer scale structures that absorb RF energy efficiently.  His research was primarily aimed at delivering these nanostructures preferentially to cancer cells and then killing the cancer cells by irradiating them with RF energy.  These nanometer scale structures were not said to be in the saltwater in the &quot;burning saltwater&quot; press coverage but I&#039;m presuming they are.  Not knowing the nature of these structures or even their presence limits how much we can say about it but it&#039;s possible they are what are somehow working as antennas to produce the electrolysis effect. 





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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chemfarmer</p>
<p>Radio waves hitting a conductor cause electron flow.  That&#8217;s how radio antennas work.  Put a ceramic cup with gold leaf decoration in a microwave and watch the electrical sparks fly for an easy demonstration.</p>
<p>It would thus seem to be (but not neccessarily correct) that it is electrolysis that&#8217;s producing the free hydrogen and a simple matter to determine if the energy used to break the hydrogen bonds in the water is less than the energy produced by recombining them.</p>
<p>The odd part of this is that  saltwater is somehow an efficient enough antenna to produce an electron flow.  In normal circumstances the antenna has to be a quarter wavelength or greater to be very efficient but RF is weird enough and less than fully understood enough so that surprises still happen even today (such as <a href="http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/cfa/" rel="nofollow">this one</a>). One would expect, as the original researcher did, that the RF energy would simply become heat energy &#8211; heating the water instead of electrolyzing it.</p>
<p>The researcher was principally investigating nanometer scale structures that absorb RF energy efficiently.  His research was primarily aimed at delivering these nanostructures preferentially to cancer cells and then killing the cancer cells by irradiating them with RF energy.  These nanometer scale structures were not said to be in the saltwater in the &#8220;burning saltwater&#8221; press coverage but I&#8217;m presuming they are.  Not knowing the nature of these structures or even their presence limits how much we can say about it but it&#8217;s possible they are what are somehow working as antennas to produce the electrolysis effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Chemfarmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chemfarmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bornagain77: I don&#039;t mean to be discouraging, but thermodynamics says that the radio energy in would have to exceed the energy from the burning hydrogen.  But Rustum Roy is a respected chemist, so maybe there is something I am missing.  Water (esp salt water) is a very low-energy molecule, and barring nuclear events it can only at best give back whatever energy you put in, so I am quite skeptical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bornagain77: I don&#8217;t mean to be discouraging, but thermodynamics says that the radio energy in would have to exceed the energy from the burning hydrogen.  But Rustum Roy is a respected chemist, so maybe there is something I am missing.  Water (esp salt water) is a very low-energy molecule, and barring nuclear events it can only at best give back whatever energy you put in, so I am quite skeptical.</p>
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		<title>By: bornagain77</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very Off Topic;

O&#039;Leary, you have probably already heard about this. but A scientist has discovered a way to burn salt water using radio frequencies to liberate the hydrogen!
 here is the site:

http://green.yahoo.com/index.php?q=node/1570

If this can be made feasible it could revolutionize the world as far as energy is concerned.
 Does anybody know anything about the actual feasibility or maybe a site to get more information?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very Off Topic;</p>
<p>O&#8217;Leary, you have probably already heard about this. but A scientist has discovered a way to burn salt water using radio frequencies to liberate the hydrogen!<br />
 here is the site:</p>
<p><a href="http://green.yahoo.com/index.php?q=node/1570" rel="nofollow">http://green.yahoo.com/index.php?q=node/1570</a></p>
<p>If this can be made feasible it could revolutionize the world as far as energy is concerned.<br />
 Does anybody know anything about the actual feasibility or maybe a site to get more information?</p>
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		<title>By: Smidlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smidlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surprise: Not all Baptists are Christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surprise: Not all Baptists are Christians.</p>
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		<title>By: GilDodgen</title>
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		<dc:creator>GilDodgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;caught in so many unworthy antics and shifting stories&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&quot;Shifting stories&quot; sounds to me like making stuff up that isn&#039;t true. Isn&#039;t making stuff up that isn&#039;t true one of those Thou-shalt-nots that good Baptists are supposed to shun?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>caught in so many unworthy antics and shifting stories</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Shifting stories&#8221; sounds to me like making stuff up that isn&#8217;t true. Isn&#8217;t making stuff up that isn&#8217;t true one of those Thou-shalt-nots that good Baptists are supposed to shun?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Rennie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Rennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;tÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s pretty good because most of us know what we would DISapprove. (Porn, racism, medical quackery, et cetera.) &quot;

Porn and Racism ? They are staple topics on many a university campus it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;tÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s pretty good because most of us know what we would DISapprove. (Porn, racism, medical quackery, et cetera.) &#8221;</p>
<p>Porn and Racism ? They are staple topics on many a university campus it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: StephenB</title>
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		<dc:creator>StephenB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baylor has learned the age-old strategy of having it both waysÃ¢â‚¬â€appear Christian but be secular; fly the religion banner for the faithful and pull out the secular flag for the faithless; fawn over the powerful and oppress the productive. 

When an organization loses its sense of mission, survival becomes the dominating principle. The real question is this: do they care more about Darwinian evolution or money?Ã¢â‚¬â€itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a close call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baylor has learned the age-old strategy of having it both waysÃ¢â‚¬â€appear Christian but be secular; fly the religion banner for the faithful and pull out the secular flag for the faithless; fawn over the powerful and oppress the productive. </p>
<p>When an organization loses its sense of mission, survival becomes the dominating principle. The real question is this: do they care more about Darwinian evolution or money?Ã¢â‚¬â€itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a close call.</p>
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		<title>By: rrf</title>
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		<dc:creator>rrf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but be reminded of the prescient quote by Rob Crowther in the Baptist News article from last week where he said that something is going on in science related to ID that is causing alot of questions from most of the scientists.

Maybe it is time for this silent majority to stand up for what is right.  Will they, like Peter, deny the obvious three times before the gain their courage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but be reminded of the prescient quote by Rob Crowther in the Baptist News article from last week where he said that something is going on in science related to ID that is causing alot of questions from most of the scientists.</p>
<p>Maybe it is time for this silent majority to stand up for what is right.  Will they, like Peter, deny the obvious three times before the gain their courage?</p>
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