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		<title>By: J. Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denyse, this is somewhat off-topic, and perhaps my post won&#039;t make it, but have you seen this article?  Darwinism explains Anna Nicole Smith&#039;s popularity!  Well, naturally!

http://www.space.com/searchforlife/seti_shostak_science_070215.html

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Movie director Frank Capra wasnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t disclosing a staggering new truth in noting that &quot;what interests people is people.&quot;  One dead-obvious reason is that those who are thoroughly unresponsive to their fellow humanoids don&#039;t get a lot of representation in the next generation.  We&#039;re most interested in people, in the same way that click beetles are most interested in click beetles.  That&#039;s evolution.

But why the seemingly preternatural fascination with famous personalities, be they powerful figures (politicians, for example) or mere celebrities, as was Ms Smith? 

That, too, seems to have a clear evolutionary benefit.  Unlike most of the beasts of the forest, weÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re quite good at learning things.  StoriesÃ¢â‚¬â€œmade possible by speechÃ¢â‚¬â€œare efficient ways of conveying life lessons to the young without the trouble and danger of actually having to demonstrate.  Hearing stories about successful people, as well as those who have fallen, could prompt us to imitate the behaviors of the former and avoid those of the latter.  Heroes, in other words, have survival value.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denyse, this is somewhat off-topic, and perhaps my post won&#8217;t make it, but have you seen this article?  Darwinism explains Anna Nicole Smith&#8217;s popularity!  Well, naturally!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.space.com/searchforlife/seti_shostak_science_070215.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.space.com/searchfor.....70215.html</a></p>
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<p>Movie director Frank Capra wasnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t disclosing a staggering new truth in noting that &#8220;what interests people is people.&#8221;  One dead-obvious reason is that those who are thoroughly unresponsive to their fellow humanoids don&#8217;t get a lot of representation in the next generation.  We&#8217;re most interested in people, in the same way that click beetles are most interested in click beetles.  That&#8217;s evolution.</p>
<p>But why the seemingly preternatural fascination with famous personalities, be they powerful figures (politicians, for example) or mere celebrities, as was Ms Smith? </p>
<p>That, too, seems to have a clear evolutionary benefit.  Unlike most of the beasts of the forest, weÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re quite good at learning things.  StoriesÃ¢â‚¬â€œmade possible by speechÃ¢â‚¬â€œare efficient ways of conveying life lessons to the young without the trouble and danger of actually having to demonstrate.  Hearing stories about successful people, as well as those who have fallen, could prompt us to imitate the behaviors of the former and avoid those of the latter.  Heroes, in other words, have survival value.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: geoffrobinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>geoffrobinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I conferred with Philip Johnson (aka Karl Rove Jr.) prior to writing this post.

Conflating arguments for common descent with arguments for the whole paradigm is becoming pretty common.

The real answer to the Republican stuff is &quot;so what?&quot; If true, so what? Look up the genetic logical fallacy. This is a case of it. I think the best answer is to joke and try to work in the phrase &quot;Karl Rove&#039;s mind-control device.&quot;

Also, if you ever have to engineer something, even a software system, you learn about trade-offs. Maybe a sinus that never clogs will cause the brain to explode. This seems to be an argument from ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I conferred with Philip Johnson (aka Karl Rove Jr.) prior to writing this post.</p>
<p>Conflating arguments for common descent with arguments for the whole paradigm is becoming pretty common.</p>
<p>The real answer to the Republican stuff is &#8220;so what?&#8221; If true, so what? Look up the genetic logical fallacy. This is a case of it. I think the best answer is to joke and try to work in the phrase &#8220;Karl Rove&#8217;s mind-control device.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, if you ever have to engineer something, even a software system, you learn about trade-offs. Maybe a sinus that never clogs will cause the brain to explode. This seems to be an argument from ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: deric davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>deric davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all I&#039;m sure there must be thousands of Republicans who don&#039;t believe in ID so RW&#039;s generalizations re-Republicans is not only wrong but insulting to these individuals. It seems that it is not ID proponents that are politicizing science it is the Darwinists (particularly of the atheistic variety) who can only resort to political statements to try to suppress legitimate discusion. RW in fact is himself acting as a political activist from the secular left by raising the issue as he did (unprovoked) during what was meant to be a science based debate. Sadly it would be unusual at this point in time to read and hear discusion about any  subject (kite making, vegetable gardens etc) where G.W.Bush doesn&#039;t get a denigratory mention at least once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all I&#8217;m sure there must be thousands of Republicans who don&#8217;t believe in ID so RW&#8217;s generalizations re-Republicans is not only wrong but insulting to these individuals. It seems that it is not ID proponents that are politicizing science it is the Darwinists (particularly of the atheistic variety) who can only resort to political statements to try to suppress legitimate discusion. RW in fact is himself acting as a political activist from the secular left by raising the issue as he did (unprovoked) during what was meant to be a science based debate. Sadly it would be unusual at this point in time to read and hear discusion about any  subject (kite making, vegetable gardens etc) where G.W.Bush doesn&#8217;t get a denigratory mention at least once.</p>
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		<title>By: mike1962</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike1962</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These nutters really love straw men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These nutters really love straw men.</p>
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		<title>By: LeeBowman</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeeBowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Denyse allowed very little of Robyn&#039;s diatribe go unchallenged.  Very entertaining, especially where Robyn was reciting his political narrative regarding how the republicans subverted science to gain votes, how DI was instrumental in that, and hearing Denyse at first incredulous, then laughing in the background, and then correcting him on several fallacious points (&quot;&lt;i&gt;over ruling&lt;/i&gt;&quot; according to Robyn).  

His insistence that Bush increased his vote by attacking science elicited, &quot;&lt;i&gt;You really believe that?&lt;/i&gt;&quot;  But Robyn had it on good authority, it seems:  &quot;&lt;i&gt;It increased his vote, and it&#039;s all in print Ã¢â‚¬Â¦ it&#039;s in the book by Chris Mooney Ã¢â‚¬Â¦ &lt;/i&gt;&quot; he stated.  Well, I guess that settles the issue!

She also corrected him on other points, including ID&#039;s history.  The debated philosophical points made interesting listening as well.  A very entertaining interview, but yes, the controversy goes on ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Denyse allowed very little of Robyn&#8217;s diatribe go unchallenged.  Very entertaining, especially where Robyn was reciting his political narrative regarding how the republicans subverted science to gain votes, how DI was instrumental in that, and hearing Denyse at first incredulous, then laughing in the background, and then correcting him on several fallacious points (&#8221;<i>over ruling</i>&#8221; according to Robyn).  </p>
<p>His insistence that Bush increased his vote by attacking science elicited, &#8220;<i>You really believe that?</i>&#8221;  But Robyn had it on good authority, it seems:  &#8220;<i>It increased his vote, and it&#8217;s all in print Ã¢â‚¬Â¦ it&#8217;s in the book by Chris Mooney Ã¢â‚¬Â¦ </i>&#8221; he stated.  Well, I guess that settles the issue!</p>
<p>She also corrected him on other points, including ID&#8217;s history.  The debated philosophical points made interesting listening as well.  A very entertaining interview, but yes, the controversy goes on &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nullasalus</title>
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		<dc:creator>nullasalus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I don&#039;t believe in a perfect state of being. Though I do believe in the possibility (and reality) of a constantly improving - evolving? - state of both personal and general being.

It&#039;s easy to talk about what a better human would be like. But it&#039;s impossible to talk about what a perfect human would be like. So for me, the fact that there are always things we can improve upon is - oddly - more evidence of intelligent design on the grand scale. Because we&#039;re able to understand the process of improvement and ascent. I wonder if that&#039;s a uniquely human trait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t believe in a perfect state of being. Though I do believe in the possibility (and reality) of a constantly improving &#8211; evolving? &#8211; state of both personal and general being.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to talk about what a better human would be like. But it&#8217;s impossible to talk about what a perfect human would be like. So for me, the fact that there are always things we can improve upon is &#8211; oddly &#8211; more evidence of intelligent design on the grand scale. Because we&#8217;re able to understand the process of improvement and ascent. I wonder if that&#8217;s a uniquely human trait.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of &quot;junk&quot; DNA, Robyn says:

&quot;Most computers have a backup/standby system...&quot; Says Robyn.

Yes Robyn, and most computer systems have intelligent designers behind them. Sorry, did I say &quot;most&quot;? I meant ALL!

Good gracious this guy is dense.

Denyse, I wish you would have jerked a knot in his tail - you were entirely too patient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of &#8220;junk&#8221; DNA, Robyn says:</p>
<p>&#8220;Most computers have a backup/standby system&#8230;&#8221; Says Robyn.</p>
<p>Yes Robyn, and most computer systems have intelligent designers behind them. Sorry, did I say &#8220;most&#8221;? I meant ALL!</p>
<p>Good gracious this guy is dense.</p>
<p>Denyse, I wish you would have jerked a knot in his tail &#8211; you were entirely too patient.</p>
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		<title>By: shaner74</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaner74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering. Is the Darwinist opposition to ID just &quot;liberalism in a  cheap tuxedo&quot;? I&#039;ve thought about it before, especially when I read stuff from PZ, but I&#039;m becoming convinced that&#039;s all it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering. Is the Darwinist opposition to ID just &#8220;liberalism in a  cheap tuxedo&#8221;? I&#8217;ve thought about it before, especially when I read stuff from PZ, but I&#8217;m becoming convinced that&#8217;s all it is.</p>
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		<title>By: shaner74</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaner74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh man I hadn&#039;t listened to the part about Bush and the Republicans! hahahaha! Williams completely discredited himself. LOL! I&#039;m going to go listen to it again, and keep the file for whenever I need a good laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh man I hadn&#8217;t listened to the part about Bush and the Republicans! hahahaha! Williams completely discredited himself. LOL! I&#8217;m going to go listen to it again, and keep the file for whenever I need a good laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: tarheel_chemist</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarheel_chemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that the individual representing the non-ID position in these sorts of debates must always invoke the name of George Bush as part of their diatribe against ID?

In &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tvw.org/MediaPlayer/Archived/WME.cfm?EVNum=2006040103&amp;TYPE=V&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Peter Ward vs. Stephen Meyer&lt;/a&gt; at the Discovery Institute back in April 2006, Dr. Ward couldn&#039;t resist a few jibes at Republicans, even going way back to Richard Nixon.

In Richard Dawkins vs. Steven Colbert back in October 2006, they can&#039;t resist taking a small swipe at poor George (see long link at end of message).


But I must say that this most recent exchange between &lt;a href=&quot;http://media.fm1032.com.au/ondemand/oh_intelligentdesigndebate.wma&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Robyn Williams and Denyse O&#039;Leary&lt;/a&gt; is the most bizarre example of the syndrome that I have heard to date.  I can&#039;t believe that Robyn Williams seriously thinks that George Bush&#039;s 2004 presidential election victory was influenced by intelligent design.  There is nothing about the presidential election process that could ever be associated with the word &quot;intelligence&quot;.

Is ID a political movement?  Clearly the other side wants to quickly dismiss it as such.  Where is the non-ID debate partner who is willing to actually address the ID question head on?


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Dawkins on Colbert (part 2):
http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/?lnk=v&amp;ml_video=76820</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that the individual representing the non-ID position in these sorts of debates must always invoke the name of George Bush as part of their diatribe against ID?</p>
<p>In <a href="http://www.tvw.org/MediaPlayer/Archived/WME.cfm?EVNum=2006040103&amp;TYPE=V" rel="nofollow"> Peter Ward vs. Stephen Meyer</a> at the Discovery Institute back in April 2006, Dr. Ward couldn&#8217;t resist a few jibes at Republicans, even going way back to Richard Nixon.</p>
<p>In Richard Dawkins vs. Steven Colbert back in October 2006, they can&#8217;t resist taking a small swipe at poor George (see long link at end of message).</p>
<p>But I must say that this most recent exchange between <a href="http://media.fm1032.com.au/ondemand/oh_intelligentdesigndebate.wma" rel="nofollow">Robyn Williams and Denyse O&#8217;Leary</a> is the most bizarre example of the syndrome that I have heard to date.  I can&#8217;t believe that Robyn Williams seriously thinks that George Bush&#8217;s 2004 presidential election victory was influenced by intelligent design.  There is nothing about the presidential election process that could ever be associated with the word &#8220;intelligence&#8221;.</p>
<p>Is ID a political movement?  Clearly the other side wants to quickly dismiss it as such.  Where is the non-ID debate partner who is willing to actually address the ID question head on?</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Dawkins on Colbert (part 2):<br />
<a href="http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/?lnk=v&amp;ml_video=76820" rel="nofollow">http://www.comedycentral.com/m.....ideo=76820</a></p>
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