Comments on: Oxford Rocks with ID (Pro and Con) This July http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/ Serving The Intelligent Design Community Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:17:53 +0000 hourly 1 By: idnet.com.au http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/comment-page-1/#comment-273841 idnet.com.au Sat, 03 May 2008 00:41:05 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/#comment-273841 Check out this philosophico-babble by the less than informed. Self-organization and Intelligent Design Joseph A. Bracken Xavier University "Hence, intelligent design by a higher power as proposed by Michael Behe and <b>John Dembs­ki</b> to explain alleged “irreducible complexity” within the evolutionary process is not required. Given sufficient time and under <b>subtle divine guidance</b>, an ongoing set of Whiteheadian actual occasions can naturally evolve to a given higher-level order of organization and complexity." Check out this philosophico-babble by the less than informed.

Self-organization and Intelligent Design Joseph A. Bracken
Xavier University

“Hence, intelligent design by a higher power as proposed by Michael Behe and John Dembs­ki to explain alleged “irreducible complexity” within the evolutionary process is not required. Given sufficient time and under subtle divine guidance, an ongoing set of Whiteheadian actual occasions can naturally evolve to a given higher-level order of organization and complexity.”

]]> By: Mats http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/comment-page-1/#comment-269343 Mats Fri, 02 May 2008 00:22:00 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/#comment-269343 Why are people waisting time on the non-existing controvery? Why are people waisting time on the non-existing controvery?

]]> By: Uthan Rose http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/comment-page-1/#comment-268840 Uthan Rose Thu, 01 May 2008 20:40:44 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/#comment-268840 From the papers: <blockquote>Thirdly, I will ask the question whether it is theologically warranted to conclude that the intelligent designer of ID can be the God of Christian theology. In other words, one can ask whether believers should want the designer of ID to be the God they worship. I doubt whether that is the case, by describing Karl Barth's Kant's inspired criticism of natural theology. I conclude that ID is an example of ‘the domestication of transcendence', and that theologians should reject ID as a theological illusion, built to blind the faithful.</blockquote> That was from one of the papers submitted, Taede Smedes Catholic University of Louvain http://tinyurl.com/6zpkte Ouch! From the papers:

Thirdly, I will ask the question whether it is theologically warranted to conclude that the intelligent designer of ID can be the God of Christian theology. In other words, one can ask whether believers should want the designer of ID to be the God they worship. I doubt whether that is the case, by describing Karl Barth’s Kant’s inspired criticism of natural theology. I conclude that ID is an example of ‘the domestication of transcendence’, and that theologians should reject ID as a theological illusion, built to blind the faithful.

That was from one of the papers submitted, Taede Smedes
Catholic University of Louvain

http://tinyurl.com/6zpkte

Ouch!

]]> By: magnan http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/comment-page-1/#comment-268615 magnan Thu, 01 May 2008 19:47:03 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/#comment-268615 The paper linked by Russ in (4) by Garcia does show the disappointingly limited openmindedness of the conference's creators. It seems to reflect the usual theistic evolutionist mindset, against ID. "Dawkins successfully dismantles William Paley's design argument in his book The Blind Watchmaker and seems to prove that the appearance of design does not need to be purposeful design by an agent. However, his argument - obviously not a new one - against the existence of a Designer as the ultimate creator of the universe is totally flawed." The paper linked by Russ in (4) by Garcia does show the disappointingly limited openmindedness of the conference’s creators. It seems to reflect the usual theistic evolutionist mindset, against ID. “Dawkins successfully dismantles William Paley’s design argument in his book The Blind Watchmaker and seems to prove that the appearance of design does not need to be purposeful design by an agent. However, his argument – obviously not a new one – against the existence of a Designer as the ultimate creator of the universe is totally flawed.”

]]> By: gpuccio http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/comment-page-1/#comment-268603 gpuccio Thu, 01 May 2008 19:42:20 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/#comment-268603 A conference debating a theory (ID) without inviting any of its supporters? If that's an improvement, that says a lot about the basic situation. Will someone make a pseudo documentary about that pseudo conference? A conference debating a theory (ID) without inviting any of its supporters?

If that’s an improvement, that says a lot about the basic situation.

Will someone make a pseudo documentary about that pseudo conference?

]]> By: JPCollado http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/comment-page-1/#comment-267939 JPCollado Thu, 01 May 2008 16:30:03 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/#comment-267939 Maybe Michael Ruse will have a chance to defend his thesis about life coming from extra-terrestrial crystals, something he seemed very comfortable believing in while being interviewed by Mr.Stein, only to show signs of perturbance when asked exactly how the whole process came about. I'll keep my fingers crossed. Maybe Michael Ruse will have a chance to defend his thesis about life coming from extra-terrestrial crystals, something he seemed very comfortable believing in while being interviewed by Mr.Stein, only to show signs of perturbance when asked exactly how the whole process came about.

I’ll keep my fingers crossed.

]]> By: William Dembski http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/comment-page-1/#comment-267837 William Dembski Thu, 01 May 2008 15:57:43 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/#comment-267837 This is probably the best we can hope for from the Ian Ramsey Center at this time. In fact, I'm surprised that they are going as far as they are in being willing to put design on the table for discussion. It suggests that "design is in the air" and that it's no longer possible to stifle discussion about it. At the same time, the conference strikes me as something of a disappointment: the vanguard of the ID movement who might allow design to put its strongest foot forward are nowhere to be found and were not invited. This is probably the best we can hope for from the Ian Ramsey Center at this time. In fact, I’m surprised that they are going as far as they are in being willing to put design on the table for discussion. It suggests that “design is in the air” and that it’s no longer possible to stifle discussion about it. At the same time, the conference strikes me as something of a disappointment: the vanguard of the ID movement who might allow design to put its strongest foot forward are nowhere to be found and were not invited.

]]> By: russ http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/comment-page-1/#comment-267822 russ Thu, 01 May 2008 15:51:36 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/#comment-267822 This conference paper is a refutation of Dawkins' "God Delusion" arguments: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~theo0038/Conferenceinfo/Abstracts08/Garcia.htm This conference paper is a refutation of Dawkins’ “God Delusion” arguments:

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~theo003.....Garcia.htm

]]> By: QuadFather http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/comment-page-1/#comment-267813 QuadFather Thu, 01 May 2008 15:47:24 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/#comment-267813 I wish to God that there were more ID events in my area (Philly, PA). Oi. I wish to God that there were more ID events in my area (Philly, PA).

Oi.

]]> By: Paul Nelson http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/comment-page-1/#comment-267667 Paul Nelson Thu, 01 May 2008 15:04:32 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oxford-rocks-with-id-pro-and-con-this-july/#comment-267667 Look more closely. Several of the papers are arguing for variants of design, while others argue that the usual way of setting up the issues isn't working. I know a number of the contributors, and they are not reflexively anti-ID (indeed, far from it). This is going to be a memorable meeting. Look more closely.

Several of the papers are arguing for variants of design, while others argue that the usual way of setting up the issues isn’t working. I know a number of the contributors, and they are not reflexively anti-ID (indeed, far from it).

This is going to be a memorable meeting.

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