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Oh, you mean, there really is a bias in academe against common sense and rational thought?

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Jonathan Haidt decided, for some reason, to point out the obvious to a group of American academics recently, that they are overwhelmingly modern materialist statists (liberals).

He polled his audience at the San Antonio Convention Center, starting by asking how many considered themselves politically liberal. A sea of hands appeared, and Dr. Haidt estimated that liberals made up 80 percent of the 1,000 psychologists in the ballroom. When he asked for centrists and libertarians, he spotted fewer than three dozen hands. And then, when he asked for conservatives, he counted a grand total of three.

“This is a statistically impossible lack of diversity,” Dr. Haidt concluded, noting polls showing that 40 percent of Americans are conservative and 20 percent are liberal. In his speech and in an interview, Dr. Haidt argued that social psychologists are a “tribal-moral community” united by “sacred values” that hinder research and damage their credibility — and blind them to the hostile climate they’ve created for non-liberals.

Why anyone would bother pointing that out, I don’t know. It’s not a bias against conservatives, anyway; it’s a bias against rationality, which they don’t believe in. Our brains, remember, are shaped for fitness, not for truth. Indeed, these are the very people who channel Barney Rubble and Fred Flintstone for insights into human psychology, and anyone who doubts the validity of such “research” should just shut up and pay their taxes, right?

Well, his talk had attracted  John Tierney’s attention at the New York Times (February 7, 2007), who drew exactly the right conclusion (for modern statists and Darwinists):

“If a group circles around sacred values, they will evolve into a tribal-moral community,” he said. “They’ll embrace science whenever it supports their sacred values, but they’ll ditch it or distort it as soon as it threatens a sacred value.” It’s easy for social scientists to observe this process in other communities, like the fundamentalist Christians who embrace “intelligent design” while rejecting Darwinism.

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For a tribal-moral community, the social psychologists in Dr. Haidt’s audience seemed refreshingly receptive to his argument. Some said he overstated how liberal the field is, but many agreed it should welcome more ideological diversity. A few even endorsed his call for a new affirmative-action goal: a membership that’s 10 percent conservative by 2020. The society’s executive committee didn’t endorse Dr. Haidt’s numerical goal, but it did vote to put a statement on the group’s home page welcoming psychologists with “diverse perspectives.” It also made a change on the “Diversity Initiatives” page — a two-letter correction of what it called a grammatical glitch, although others might see it as more of a Freudian slip.

I have friends here in Canada who make bets on when the Times will finally, mercifully shut down.

Meanwhile, Megan McArdle weighs in at Atlantic Monthly, driving home the shame:

It is just my impression, but I think what conservatives want most of all is simply recognition that they are being shut out. It is a double indignity to be discriminated against, and then be told unctuously that your group’s underrepresentation is proof that almost none of you are as good as “us”. Haidt notes that his correspondence with conservative students (anonymously) “reminded him of closeted gay students in the 1980s”:

He quoted — anonymously — from their e-mails describing how they hid their feelings when colleagues made political small talk and jokes predicated on the assumption that everyone was a liberal. “I consider myself very middle-of-the-road politically: a social liberal but fiscal conservative. Nonetheless, I avoid the topic of politics around work,” one student wrote. “Given what I’ve read of the literature, I am certain any research I conducted in political psychology would provide contrary findings and, therefore, go unpublished. Although I think I could make a substantial contribution to the knowledge base, and would be excited to do so, I will not.”
Beyond that, mostly they would like academics to be conscious of the bias, and try to counter it where possible. As the quote above suggests, this isn’t just for the benefit of conservatives, either.

All together now, class, spell W-I-M-P.

Someone else writes

I have a good friend–I won’t name out him here though–who is a tenured faculty member in a premier humanities department at a leading east coast university, and he’s . . . a conservative! How did he slip by the PC police? Simple: he kept his head down in graduate school and as a junior faculty member, practicing self-censorship and publishing boring journal articles that said little or nothing. When he finally got tenure review, he told his closest friend on the faculty, sotto voce, that “Actually I’m a Republican.” His faculty friend, similarly sotto voce, said, “Really? I’m a Republican, too!”

That’s the scandalous state of things in American universities today. Here and there–Hillsdale College, George Mason Law School, Ashland University come to mind–the administration is able to hire first rate conservative scholars at below market rates because they are actively discriminated against at probably 90 percent of American colleges and universities. Other universities will tolerate a token conservative, but having a second conservative in a department is beyond the pale.

All together now, class, spell the plural, W-I-M-P-S.

Oh, heck, let me be honest, not snarky: Nothing stops the Yanks from freeing themselves from this garbage unless my British  mentor is right, and I hope he isn’t: Americans are happy to be serfs, but they don’t like being portrayed in the media as hillbillies.

So whenever the zeroes they all gladly pay taxes for threaten to do just that, they promptly cave.

If I die tonight, I want this on the record: If I couldn’t be a Canuck and managed to bear the unbearable sorrow, I’d be a true Yankee hillbilly and proud of it. Do you think we Canucks have so far stood off the Sharia lawfare crowd, with all their money and threats, by worrying much what smarmy (and sometimes vicious) tax burdens think?

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Mathgrrl, Your characterization is your own; feel free to reject it. - - - - - What is necessary for a symbollic relationship to exist between two discreet objects?Upright BiPed
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MG: I repeat, the problem is begging the question, by starting in an island of function, whereby what is being explained is no mystery: hill-climbing. (Way back in my first calculus class, I learned this as one way to find a maximum or minimum.) The root problem is to get to the island of function, for both the original problem, first life; and for novel body plans. GEM of TKIkairosfocus
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Eugen, I really appreciate Wheeler's work. As well I really appreciate Zeilinger's work which had built on Wheeler's insights: "It from bit symbolizes the idea that every item of the physical world has at bottom - at a very deep bottom, in most instances - an immaterial source and explanation; that which we call reality arises in the last analysis from the posing of yes-no questions and the registering of equipment-evoked responses; in short, that things physical are information-theoretic in origin." John Archibald Wheeler Why the Quantum? It from Bit? A Participatory Universe? Excerpt: In conclusion, it may very well be said that information is the irreducible kernel from which everything else flows. Thence the question why nature appears quantized is simply a consequence of the fact that information itself is quantized by necessity. It might even be fair to observe that the concept that information is fundamental is very old knowledge of humanity, witness for example the beginning of gospel according to John: "In the beginning was the Word." Anton Zeilinger - a leading expert in quantum teleportation: http://www.metanexus.net/Magazine/ArticleDetail/tabid/68/id/8638/Default.aspx Zeilinger's principle The principle that any elementary system carries just one bit of information. This principle was put forward by the Austrian physicist Anton Zeilinger in 1999 and subsequently developed by him to derive several aspects of quantum mechanics. http://science.jrank.org/pages/20784/Zeilinger%27s-principle.html#ixzz17a7f88PM In the beginning was the bit - New Scientist Excerpt: Zeilinger's principle leads to the intrinsic randomness found in the quantum world. Consider the spin of an electron. Say it is measured along a vertical axis (call it the z axis) and found to be pointing up. Because one bit of information has been used to make that statement, no more information can be carried by the electron's spin. Consequently, no information is available to predict the amounts of spin in the two horizontal directions (x and y axes), so they are of necessity entirely random. If you then measure the spin in one of these directions, there is an equal chance of its pointing right or left, forward or back. This fundamental randomness is what we call Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. http://www.quantum.at/fileadmin/links/newscientist/bit.html Quantum Entanglement and Teleportation - Anton Zeilinger - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5705317/bornagain77
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Upright BiPed,
In the definition of ‘symbol’ you posted above, each of the examples given centers on the phenomena of two distinct and separate things having a semiotic relationship established between them (i.e., a limousine having a relationship to the idea of wealth and authority, a written notation on a sheet of music noting the manner in which the music is to be played, the abbreviated notations a chemist might make to denote certain chemicals. One could easily expand those examples to any number of other instances where one discreet thing is symbolically mapped to another discreet thing. How does that semiotic relationship become established?
I find your attempted use of Socratic dialog to be a transparent rhetorical device used in an attempt to demonstrate dominance -- you as the teacher and me as the student. I reject this relationship. I would like to understand your point and have a discussion between equals. Please just state your position and we can proceed.MathGrrl
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kairosfocus,
You START in an island of function when the problem is to get TO an island of function.
Abiogenesis research is focused on how the first replicators arose. Evolutionary theory is focused on what happens once replicators exist. Simulations like ev and Tierra are modeling evolution. While I'm happy to discuss those simulators in more detail, my core point above is that neither ev nor Tierra has an explicit goal. That is clear from their readily available documentation. Your claim otherwise is incorrect.MathGrrl
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Bornagain thanks for "The foundation of reality itself is information!" Please read a bit on my favorite physicist John Wheeler http://suif.stanford.edu/~jeffop/WWW/wheeler.txtEugen
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Those are good, but I liked your clarity of evolutionary algorithms starting out in islands of function instead of visa versa,, at 114 https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/oh-you-mean-there-really-is-a-bias-in-academe-against-common-sense-and-rational-thought/#comment-372414bornagain77
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BA: H'mm, that's a new thought, maybe I need to write something specific. Meanwhile, what do you think of my discussions here, here and here? GEM of TKIkairosfocus
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Mathgrrl, In the definition of ‘symbol’ you posted above, each of the examples given centers on the phenomena of two distinct and separate things having a semiotic relationship established between them (i.e., a limousine having a relationship to the idea of wealth and authority, a written notation on a sheet of music noting the manner in which the music is to be played, the abbreviated notations a chemist might make to denote certain chemicals. One could easily expand those examples to any number of other instances where one discreet thing is symbolically mapped to another discreet thing. How does that semiotic relationship become established?Upright BiPed
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kf, thanks for the clarity, do you have a page I can reference on evolutionary algorithms?bornagain77
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PS: If Ev and Tiera had first generated the base code for the programs by random generation filtered for function, we would be talking something here. We could even start by generating basic modules of scope 1,000 bits (=125 bytes, small for a program) or so, then chaining these basic modules at random until higher order functions emerge. But alas, we are not. [Of course that would boil down to my infinite monkeys test of FSCI origin.]kairosfocus
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MathGrrl, this is simply ludicrous, you innocently state; 'I thought we were discussing whether or not ev and Tierra are goal directed.' when I pointed out the fact that reality itself is founded on information. That Fact of how reality is actually constructed is of no trivial concern MathGrrl!!!! John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. and indeed MathGrrl, THAT FACT goes to the very heart of the issue, namely the failure of anyone to demonstrate a 'non-trivial' gain in information that would explain the monstrously complex information we find in the simplest of life.,,, Three Subsets of Sequence Complexity and Their Relevance to Biopolymeric Information - David L. Abel and Jack T. Trevors - Theoretical Biology & Medical Modelling, Vol. 2, 11 August 2005, page 8 "No man-made program comes close to the technical brilliance of even Mycoplasmal genetic algorithms. Mycoplasmas are the simplest known organism with the smallest known genome, to date. How was its genome and other living organisms' genomes programmed?" http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1742-4682-2-29.pdf MathGrrl The only reason you are forced to play in your dream-world of evolutionary algorithms generating 'trivial goal-directed' information in the first place is because no one has demonstrated a violation of genetic entropy by passing this simple test; Is Antibiotic Resistance Evidence For Evolution? - The Fitness Test http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3995248/ much less has anyone demonstrated that purely material processes have the ability to generate even the simplest of life (even with all the help of experts trying to get life from non-life),,, Shoot as I pointed out before the problem is information! The foundation of reality itself is information! And as far as we can tell Information always comes from a mind, never from any material processes!bornagain77
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MG: I see your, 101:
BA: . . . but alas MathGrrl, THEY ARE ALL goal directed; MG: Nope, they’re not . . .
The bland declaration, of course is not enough to answer the point. For instance, on the about tiera page:
The Tierra C source code creates a virtual computer and its Darwinian operating system, whose architecture has been designed in such a way that the executable machine codes are evolvable. This means that the machine code can be mutated (by flipping bits at random) or recombined (by swapping segments of code between algorithms), and the resulting code remains functional enough of the time for natural (or presumably artificial) selection to be able to improve the code over time.
See the core problem? You START in an island of function when the problem is to get TO an island of function. That begs question no 1. So, what we have is an optimisation program that depends on preloaded information about peaks of performance, and preloaded prestested functional information produced by purposeful intelligent design, to do some hill climbing. And of course one of the biggest already solved problems is the origin of symbolic, meaningful, functional messages and the executing machinery that makes it work. Which, is what UB was getting at. Oops. As regards EV, we see on the FAQ page:
the input parameters define Rfrequency, which is determined by information put into the program, but that is not the information being measured from the organisms. Remember that we are measuring Rsequence from patterns in the genome, and this starts out near zero bits, as you can see from the green curve in the graph [NB: but this is set up so that even a few bits will create a rise in function -- when the threshold for life is ~ 100 - 1,000 kbits ab initio, and for major body plans 10 - 100 + Mbits a few bits is well within power of random walk to see quick results. Ab initio requirements of that scope are not within the capability of the observed cosmos -- oops!] . Also, the size of the genome and number of required sites can be set to a wide variety of values and yet Rsequence still evolves towards Rfrequency. This only happens by replication, mutation and selection, demonstrating that those factors are necessary and sufficient for information gain to occur [Goal post moving: the information that is required to get to the island of function is already built in long since, and the increments in info to gain function are unrealistically low, so we have basically a programmed search in a nice space for an optimum] . . . . so long as the recognition function gives a finely graded and ordered response to input sequences. [finely graded means that tiny steps will function, but we credibly need steps of order 100 kbits and more] In the Ev program, recognition is done using a numerical matrix of numbers, encoded in the genomes.
In short, Ev, too, is operating within an island of existing function, using a symbolic, meaningful, coded entity set up and developed by highly intelligent designers, and is set up to reward fine increments in function. Oops, again. The problem, is to get TO such islands of function, whether we are talking origin of metabolising self-replicating life or origin of embryologically, environmentally and reproductively feasible novel body plans. No one disputes that within an island of fucntion, some variations may be =rewarded artificially or naturally., including Young Earth Creationists. The problem that repeatedly keeps getting lost in the excited discussions of moving around within islands of function -- and the denunciations of those who challenge the problem -- is the root problem: getting TO the islands of function in a sea of non-function, on chance plus necessity WITHOUT intelligence. BA is right, and MG you are not. GEM of TKIkairosfocus
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Eugen: I see you are having fun. We live on a privileged planet, on a privileged star, in a privileged zone of a privileged galaxy, in a highly privileged cosmos. The HR diagram is just the beginning! Dr Bot I think wanted to ask rather than answer. And, the question he asked was on a tangent to the point I answered: getting dFSCI out of a noise generator is a test of the design inference, and it shows the problem of finding islands of function in vast seas of non-function, by chance and/or necessity without intelligence. Until you have a self-replicating coded entity you cannot appeal to the idea that small changes in the system may improve its functionality and drive evolutionary change. of course there is the neutral mut issue and the questions of long term drift and degradation i.e genetic entropy. But that I need to pause on to answer to MG. GEM of TKI GEM of TKIkairosfocus
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bornagain77,
Something else for you to consider MathGrrl is the fact that information is shown to be separate from, foundational to, and thus greater than, matter or energy.
I thought we were discussing whether or not ev and Tierra are goal directed.MathGrrl
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Upright BiPed, symbol |?simb?l| noun a thing that represents or stands for something else, esp. a material object representing something abstract : the limousine was another symbol of his wealth and authority. See note at emblem . • a mark or character used as a conventional representation of an object, function, or process, e.g., the letter or letters standing for a chemical element or a character in musical notation. • a shape or sign used to represent something such as an organization, e.g., a red cross or a Star of David. verb ( -boled, -boling; Brit. -bolled, -bolling) [ trans. ] archaic symbolize. ORIGIN late Middle English (denoting the Apostles' Creed): from Latin symbolum ‘symbol, Creed (as the mark of a Christian),’ from Greek sumbolon ‘mark, token,’ from sun- ‘with’ + ballein ‘to throw.’ Amusing as it is to cut and paste from my electronic dictionary, I was actually hoping for you to clearly state your assumptions and rephrase your questions so that I could understand them. If you are using any terms in non-standard ways, please provide your definitions as well. Given that base, we ought to be able to communicate effectively, don't you think?MathGrrl
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Mathgrrl, You need it more simple? Sure, no problem. Do you know what a symbol is?Upright BiPed
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further note: Information and entropy – top-down or bottom-up development in living systems? A.C. McINTOSH Excerpt: It is proposed in conclusion that it is the non-material information (transcendent to the matter and energy) that is actually itself constraining the local thermodynamics to be in ordered disequilibrium and with specified raised free energy levels necessary for the molecular and cellular machinery to operate. http://journals.witpress.com/journals.asp?iid=47 Quantum Information In DNA & Protein Folding - short video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5936605/ 4-Dimensional Quarter Power Scaling In Biology - short video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5964041/ The ‘Fourth Dimension’ Of Living Systems https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1Gs_qvlM8-7bFwl9rZUB9vS6SZgLH17eOZdT4UbPoy0Y "Information is information, not matter or energy. No materialism which does not admit this can survive at the present day." Norbert Weiner - MIT Mathematician - Father of Cybernetics Quantum entanglement holds together life’s blueprint - 2010 Excerpt: “If you didn’t have entanglement, then DNA would have a simple flat structure, and you would never get the twist that seems to be important to the functioning of DNA,” says team member Vlatko Vedral of the University of Oxford. http://neshealthblog.wordpress.com/2010/09/15/quantum-entanglement-holds-together-lifes-blueprint/bornagain77
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MathGrrl, I understand upright completely. Perhaps this short video will help you understand: The DNA Code - Solid Scientific Proof Of Intelligent Design - Perry Marshall - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4060532/ Something else for you to consider MathGrrl is the fact that information is shown to be separate from, foundational to, and thus greater than, matter or energy. Thus please tell me exactly why I should expect that which is less than to spontaneously give rise to that which is greater than itself? Ions have been teleported successfully for the first time by two independent research groups Excerpt: In fact, copying isn't quite the right word for it. In order to reproduce the quantum state of one atom in a second atom, the original has to be destroyed. This is unavoidable - it is enforced by the laws of quantum mechanics, which stipulate that you can't 'clone' a quantum state. In principle, however, the 'copy' can be indistinguishable from the original (that was destroyed),,, http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/Issues/2004/October/beammeup.asp Atom takes a quantum leap - 2009 Excerpt: Ytterbium ions have been 'teleported' over a distance of a metre.,,, "What you're moving is information, not the actual atoms," says Chris Monroe, from the Joint Quantum Institute at the University of Maryland in College Park and an author of the paper. But as two particles of the same type differ only in their quantum states, the transfer of quantum information is equivalent to moving the first particle to the location of the second. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2171769/posts How Teleportation Will Work - Excerpt: In 1993, the idea of teleportation moved out of the realm of science fiction and into the world of theoretical possibility. It was then that physicist Charles Bennett and a team of researchers at IBM confirmed that quantum teleportation was possible, but only if the original object being teleported was destroyed. --- As predicted, the original photon no longer existed once the replica was made. http://science.howstuffworks.com/teleportation1.htm Quantum Teleportation - IBM Research Page Excerpt: "it would destroy the original (photon) in the process,," http://www.research.ibm.com/quantuminfo/teleportation/ Unconditional Quantum Teleportation - abstract Excerpt: This is the first realization of unconditional quantum teleportation where every state entering the device is actually teleported,, http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/282/5389/706bornagain77
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MathGrrl, I understand upright completely. Perhaps this short video will help you understand: The DNA Code - Solid Scientific Proof Of Intelligent Design - Perry Marshall - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4060532/ Something else for you to consider MathGrrl is the fact that information is shown to be separate from, foundational to, and thus greater than, matter or energy. Thus please tell me exactly why I should expect that which is less than to spontaneously give rise to that which is greater than itself? Ions have been teleported successfully for the first time by two independent research groups Excerpt: In fact, copying isn't quite the right word for it. In order to reproduce the quantum state of one atom in a second atom, the original has to be destroyed. This is unavoidable - it is enforced by the laws of quantum mechanics, which stipulate that you can't 'clone' a quantum state. In principle, however, the 'copy' can be indistinguishable from the original (that was destroyed),,, http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/Issues/2004/October/beammeup.asp Atom takes a quantum leap - 2009 Excerpt: Ytterbium ions have been 'teleported' over a distance of a metre.,,, "What you're moving is information, not the actual atoms," says Chris Monroe, from the Joint Quantum Institute at the University of Maryland in College Park and an author of the paper. But as two particles of the same type differ only in their quantum states, the transfer of quantum information is equivalent to moving the first particle to the location of the second. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2171769/posts How Teleportation Will Work - Excerpt: In 1993, the idea of teleportation moved out of the realm of science fiction and into the world of theoretical possibility. It was then that physicist Charles Bennett and a team of researchers at IBM confirmed that quantum teleportation was possible, but only if the original object being teleported was destroyed. --- As predicted, the original photon no longer existed once the replica was made. http://science.howstuffworks.com/teleportation1.htm Quantum Teleportation - IBM Research Page Excerpt: "it would destroy the original (photon) in the process,," http://www.research.ibm.com/quantuminfo/teleportation/ Unconditional Quantum Teleportation - abstract Excerpt: This is the first realization of unconditional quantum teleportation where every state entering the device is actually teleported,, http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/282/5389/706 further note: Information and entropy – top-down or bottom-up development in living systems? A.C. McINTOSH Excerpt: It is proposed in conclusion that it is the non-material information (transcendent to the matter and energy) that is actually itself constraining the local thermodynamics to be in ordered disequilibrium and with specified raised free energy levels necessary for the molecular and cellular machinery to operate. http://journals.witpress.com/journals.asp?iid=47 Quantum Information In DNA & Protein Folding - short video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5936605/ 4-Dimensional Quarter Power Scaling In Biology - short video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5964041/ The ‘Fourth Dimension’ Of Living Systems https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1Gs_qvlM8-7bFwl9rZUB9vS6SZgLH17eOZdT4UbPoy0Y "Information is information, not matter or energy. No materialism which does not admit this can survive at the present day." Norbert Weiner - MIT Mathematician - Father of Cybernetics Quantum entanglement holds together life’s blueprint - 2010 Excerpt: “If you didn’t have entanglement, then DNA would have a simple flat structure, and you would never get the twist that seems to be important to the functioning of DNA,” says team member Vlatko Vedral of the University of Oxford. http://neshealthblog.wordpress.com/2010/09/15/quantum-entanglement-holds-together-lifes-blueprint/bornagain77
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Upright BiPed, I'm afraid I can't make any sense out of your questions in 103 and 104. Could you please rephrase to avoid loading them with what appear to be your assumptions, or at least state those assumptions explicitly? Thanks.MathGrrl
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Mathgrrl, What I am asking should be simple given the prevailing certainty. What exactly in the process where a chemical compound assigns meaning to other chemical compounds, and then using that meaning, organizes those into a function in order to serve a purpose.Upright BiPed
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Mathgrrl, Do you know of any recorded information (information instantiated into matter) that came to exist by means of unguided processes? By "unguided" I mean without the aid or input of a mind? Do you know of any recorded information that doesn't exist by means of an abstraction - symbolic representation? Do you know of any symbols that where assigned meaning by means of unguided processes?Upright BiPed
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MathGrrl, if you don't mind, I'll wait for your, or any other neo-Darwinists, peer-reviewed refutation of Abel's null hypothesis. The Capabilities of Chaos and Complexity: David L. Abel - Null Hypothesis For Information Generation - 2009 To focus the scientific community’s attention on its own tendencies toward overzealous metaphysical imagination bordering on “wish-fulfillment,” we propose the following readily falsifiable null hypothesis, and invite rigorous experimental attempts to falsify it: "Physicodynamics cannot spontaneously traverse The Cybernetic Cut: physicodynamics alone cannot organize itself into formally functional systems requiring algorithmic optimization, computational halting, and circuit integration." A single exception of non trivial, unaided spontaneous optimization of formal function by truly natural process would falsify this null hypothesis. http://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/10/1/247/pdf Can We Falsify Any Of The Following Null Hypothesis (For Information Generation) 1) Mathematical Logic 2) Algorithmic Optimization 3) Cybernetic Programming 4) Computational Halting 5) Integrated Circuits 6) Organization (e.g. homeostatic optimization far from equilibrium) 7) Material Symbol Systems (e.g. genetics) 8) Any Goal Oriented bona fide system 9) Language 10) Formal function of any kind 11) Utilitarian work http://mdpi.com/1422-0067/10/1/247/ag The Law of Physicodynamic Insufficiency - Dr David L. Abel - November 2010 Excerpt: “If decision-node programming selections are made randomly or by law rather than with purposeful intent, no non-trivial (sophisticated) function will spontaneously arise.”,,, After ten years of continual republication of the null hypothesis with appeals for falsification, no falsification has been provided. The time has come to extend this null hypothesis into a formal scientific prediction: “No non trivial algorithmic/computational utility will ever arise from chance and/or necessity alone.” http://www.scitopics.com/The_Law_of_Physicodynamic_Insufficiency.html The GS (genetic selection) Principle – David L. Abel – 2009 Excerpt: Stunningly, information has been shown not to increase in the coding regions of DNA with evolution. Mutations do not produce increased information. Mira et al (65) showed that the amount of coding in DNA actually decreases with evolution of bacterial genomes, not increases. This paper parallels Petrov’s papers starting with (66) showing a net DNA loss with Drosophila evolution (67). Konopka (68) found strong evidence against the contention of Subba Rao et al (69, 70) that information increases with mutations. The information content of the coding regions in DNA does not tend to increase with evolution as hypothesized. Konopka also found Shannon complexity not to be a suitable indicator of evolutionary progress over a wide range of evolving genes. Konopka’s work applies Shannon theory to known functional text. Kok et al. (71) also found that information does not increase in DNA with evolution. As with Konopka, this finding is in the context of the change in mere Shannon uncertainty. The latter is a far more forgiving definition of information than that required for prescriptive information (PI) (21, 22, 33, 72). It is all the more significant that mutations do not program increased PI. Prescriptive information either instructs or directly produces formal function. No increase in Shannon or Prescriptive information occurs in duplication. What the above papers show is that not even variation of the duplication produces new information, not even Shannon “information.” http://www.scitopics.com/The_GS_Principle_The_Genetic_Selection_Principle.html http://www.us.net/life/index.htm Dr. Don Johnson explains the difference between Shannon Information and Prescriptive Information, as well as explaining 'the cybernetic cut', in this following Podcast: Programming of Life - Dr. Donald Johnson interviewed by Casey Luskin - audio podcast http://www.idthefuture.com/2010/11/programming_of_life.htmlbornagain77
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bornagain77,
‘Evolutionary algorithms such as ev and Tierra (neither of which is explicitly “goal directed”) do reflect those mechanisms, in simplified form, so it is not surprising that they work.’ but alas MathGrrl, THEY ARE ALL goal directed;
Nope, they're not. Please read the websites of each program (available here for ev and here for Tierra) for yourself if you don't believe me. By the way, both you and kairosfocus have written a lot in this thread about CSI and its variants. Mark Frank created a thread on his blog where gpuccio worked with myself and several other people to quantify his dFSCI concept. We weren't successful, but perhaps you two could assist. I hope Mark doesn't think it presumptuous of me to post the link to the first of four threads here.MathGrrl
February 15, 2011
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Hi Kairos I'm reading your IOSE blog where I started with my favorite:astronomy-cosmology. That reminded me of recent article on M dwarfs. Follow this http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=16327 for an interesting article . M dwarfs (red dwarfs) make 76% of all stars in the galaxy. They produce frequent and powerful flares which would destroy life on any planet orbiting such star. Implications are quite interesting. Original research paper can be found at http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1012/1012.0577v1 ( I tried to embed links but it just would not take it) Looks like we can eliminate 76% stars as life friendly from the get go. It would seem there are still plenty of stars left . Unfortunately,most of those are super giants, bright giants ,giants,sub giants, sub dwarfs,white dwarfs. The most suitable are G main sequence dwarfs like our Sun if they are in the quite narrow galactic habitable zone.You talk about that around Hertzsprung-Russell diagram in IOSE article on cosmology. Hopefully G main sequence star would also be extremely stable like our Sun. Even if we find Sun like star with planets we would prefer to see it as single star and not part of binary or any other multi star system. Close binary or multi star system would eventually disturb planet orbits and send them into the void. I think it will be very difficult to find "privileged star" and even harder one with "privileged planet" around it. Another recent article I found is slightly amusing but informative.It's about us living inside a massive star forging "furnace". Here is the article http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-01/fyi-what-does-space-smell Re Dr Bot I just finished reading all the posts and I'm wondering why Dr Bot didn't propose revision to your experiment if he wasn't satisfied with it.Eugen
February 15, 2011
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Eugen: Once the big 40 is on the list, one does not need to quit smoking to run risks on the old waistline. Just as with the glasses question. I suggest we should recall the older usage: what we call science was seen as natural philosophy and natural history as reconstructed. Well established findings were then seen as knowledge, "science" being the Latin word for knowledge. ["Knowledge" is Greek, from GNOSIS.] That is, we need to see that the issues of the epistemology of warrant of knowledge claims are never far from the surface in science. And, when we set out to reconstruct the remote, unobserved past beyond generally accepted record, these issues are even more important. In particular, we are looking at inferences to best current, empirically based, provisional explanation. Empirically anchored abductive reasoning. As Pierce argued for. And for that I argue that our methods -- the plural is deliberate -- should acknowledge the realities that causal patterns, processes and reliable signs point to chance, mechanical necessity and design as three distinct causal factors. GEM of TKIkairosfocus
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Consider this variation on the zener diode challenge: Assuming that the information in a "life form string” was 1000 bits and the total possible combinations of viable combinations (species) was 1.7 million. How many trials would it take to construct one of the viable strings assuming that you randomly selected each bit in an incremental manner and restarted the string at each dead end? Or A similar experiment but discover how many bits a life form string would have to be limited to in order to have a 50/50 chance of constructing one of the life form strings given the life time of the earth and the total computational resource space.JLS
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Kairos I had to print post 91. Thanks for all the links. I definitely want to read ,rather print out every link there. I’m little overwhelmed with all the material. I think you are scientist and philosopher by the way you write. I’m neither so it will take me a week, maybe more to absorb all that information. I read cosmology, quantum physics, astronomy and question on nature of reality. At a very quick glance it seems there is some of each there presented in a way I’ve never seen before. Dr Bot Sorry I didn’t read much past 91. I noticed your remark on quitting smoking. Watch out, you may get chubby now just like me.Eugen
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I am a bit late to this thread but if i might jump in and ask a question. I am interested in the exploring the limits of chance process's to construct functional information. Current evolution theory posits a relatively small role to information in the original DNA system and a rather larger role to subsequent chance construction. I am not sure why that is so but i imagine it is sort of like the big bang. If things seem to be spreading apart then if we reverse time they would necessarily come back together. I haven't seen it quantified but it seems to me that the upper limit of development is created by the combination of irreducible complexity and the need for growing specificity as construction develops. A simple example is that with any design task the first component selected has a wide latitude but with each subsequent selection the functionally effective choices narrow. The same narrowing you get as you construct a language string. Each additional letter faces a compound probability limit forced by a requirement for meaningfulness or(functionality). My particular interest is in exploring the limits as we expand the available alphabet. For example we could take the previous example of a language string but stipulate that our tool box started with a pixel. Clearly we could make every letter and many more but could we construct functional information? What if words, sentences, paragraph were in our tool box? The ultimate question is what information (alphabet) do we require in our tool box (original DNA) to go from primitive forms to the current state. Is there reason to believe that the original DNA had limited specific information? Thanks.JLS
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