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Oh no, not more “science doesn’t disprove God” stuff …

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(You’d almost think it did.)

For one thing, science does not work that way. The forces that work that way within science—the proponents of the multiverse and Darwinism, for example—are damaging science, not God.

For most of us, science is represented by the verification of the Higgs boson or the effort to eradicate polio (dependent on human vectors for survival in the wild).

Credible stuff. By contrast, the theory-of-the-month about the origin of the universe, life, the human race, or the mind…we enjoy making fun of that stuff here, on our break, but no well-informed person mistakes the side show for science.

That said, a friend writes to say that a recent iteration on the God-not-obsolete theme at Time must have slipped past the futz-ator. Stuff does happen sometimes.

But much more important than these conundrums is the persistent question of the fine-tuning of the parameters of the Universe: Why is our Universe so precisely tailor-made for the emergence of life? This question has never been answered satisfactorily, and I believe that it will never find a scientific solution. For the deeper we delve into the mysteries of physics and cosmology, the more the Universe appears to be intricate and incredibly complex. To explain the quantum-mechanical behavior of even one tiny particle requires pages and pages of extremely advanced mathematics. Why are even the tiniest particles of matter so unbelievably complicated? It appears that there is a vast, hidden “wisdom,” or structure, or a knotty blueprint for even the most simple-looking element of nature. And the situation becomes much more daunting as we expand our view to the entire cosmos.

Hmmmm. I’ve never cared for whatta mystery! explanations myself. I think it’s what we do know that is the most significant evidence. But if that’s your bag, this is.

Anyway, recently, the National Science Foundation has begun to get the picture, and has dropped assessment of “belief in” evolution from its evaluation of science literacy.

Well, they had to, didn’t they? What information-gathering purpose would they serve if their questions caused, say, Michael Denton or Lynn Margulis to be considered less science literate than some “aren’t I good?” girl with a job in science somewhere, spouting correctly the dogmas she is simply incapable of doubting?

Let’s just say: If that’s all they want, there is sure plenty of it.

Which reminds me: Readers, are the Darwinians now self-destructing? Why should they suddenly decide to make it all about “race” just now, when so much about genetics in general is up in the air?

See also: The Science Fictions series at your fingertips (cosmology).

The Science Fictions series at your fingertips (origin of life)

The Science Fictions series at your fingertips (human evolution)

– O’Leary for News

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Here is what we know from actual science on Evolution. GoodScienceForYou
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Why speculate on the unknown, if we can enjoy trying to understand what is known?Dionisio
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News I have to disagree with you. After this statement,,,
To explain the quantum-mechanical behavior of even one tiny particle requires pages and pages of extremely advanced mathematics. Why are even the tiniest particles of matter so unbelievably complicated? It appears that there is a vast, hidden “wisdom,” or structure, or a knotty blueprint for even the most simple-looking element of nature. And the situation becomes much more daunting as we expand our view to the entire cosmos.
you state,,
Hmmmm. I’ve never cared for whatta mystery! explanations myself. I think it’s what we do know that is the most significant evidence. But if that’s your bag, this is.
But the whole reason for this 'whatta mystery' is because of the materialistic presupposition undergirding modern science. Atheistic materialism simply does not presuppose, nor did it predict, that it should take 'pages and pages of extremely advanced mathematics' to explain the quantum-mechanical behavior of even one tiny particle. In fact the entire field of quantum mechanics is completely contrary to what materialism expected for the basis of reality. i.e. Materialism predicted that the basis of physical reality would be a solid indestructible material particle which rigidly obeyed the rules of time and space, Theism predicted the basis of this reality was created by a infinitely powerful and transcendent Being who is not limited by time and space - Quantum mechanics reveals a wave/particle duality for the basis of our reality which blatantly defies our concepts of time and space. Moreover, Materialism predicted that the universe is a self sustaining system that is not dependent on anything else for its continued existence. Theism predicted that God upholds this universe in its continued existence. Breakthroughs in quantum mechanics reveal that this universe is dependent on a ‘non-local’, beyond space and time, cause for its continued existence. As well, Materialism predicted that consciousness is a ‘emergent property’ of material reality and thus should have no particularly special position within material reality. Theism predicts consciousness precedes material reality and therefore, on that presupposition, consciousness should have a ‘special’ position within material reality. Quantum Mechanics reveals that consciousness has a special, even a central, position within material reality.
Why Quantum Theory Does Not Support Materialism - By Bruce L Gordon: Excerpt: Because quantum theory is thought to provide the bedrock for our scientific understanding of physical reality, it is to this theory that the materialist inevitably appeals in support of his worldview. But having fled to science in search of a safe haven for his doctrines, the materialist instead finds that quantum theory in fact dissolves and defeats his materialist understanding of the world. http://www.4truth.net/fourtruthpbscience.aspx?pageid=8589952939
Thus the only people that this 'pages and pages of extremely advanced mathematics' presents a problem to is to materialists! In fact if you believe like Galileo did that,,
"Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." Galileo Galilei
Then the 'whatta mystery' dilemma for why pages and pages of equations are required disappears because for a Theist it is expected that reality would be as such. In fact a few months ago I heard this quote from Feymann,
“It always bothers me that in spite of all this local business, what goes on in a tiny, no matter how tiny, region of space, and no matter how tiny a region of time, according to laws as we understand them today, it takes a computing machine an infinite number of logical operations to figure out. Now how can all that be going on in that tiny space? Why should it take an infinite amount of logic to figure out what one stinky tiny bit of space-time is going to do?" - Richard Feynman – one of the founding fathers of QED (Quantum Electrodynamics) Quote taken from the 6:45 minute mark of the following video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obCjODeoLVw
And my immediate response to that quote was to think 'I don’t know about Feynman, but as for myself, being a Christian Theist, I find it rather comforting to know that it takes an ‘infinite amount of logic to figure out what one stinky tiny bit of space-time is going to do’':
John1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
of note: ‘the Word’ in John1:1 is translated from ‘Logos’ in Greek. Logos is the root word from which we derive our modern word logic http://etymonline.com/?term=logic Thus News, when put into proper perspective, these 'whatta mystery' dilemmas for materialists are actually very intuitive, and expected, for the Theist. Verse and Music:
Isaiah 40:13 Who comprehends the mind of the LORD, or gives him instruction as his counselor? Carry Me - Josh Wilson http://myktis.com/songs/carry-me/
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IMHO, I strongly prefer "interesting mystery or paradox" to stupid, half-baked "explanations" that are plastered over deficits in our understanding. Pretending that we know something when we know that there are issues is antithetical to science. This stance slows scientific progress, misrepresents the weakness of a theory, and discourages boys and girls from pursuing a scientific education and career under the mistaken impression that "we" already know everything. Not being assured that "we know everything" is fine with most students. It's just some of their instructors that get eating disorders as a result. ;-) I also feel that it's beneficial for students to work through historical dead-ends in their scientific studies so they can appreciate the changes and challenges in the process of science rather than being told, "This is the truth. Memorize the vocabulary and equations for the test." -QQuerius
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Hmmmm. I’ve never cared for whatta mystery! explanations myself. I think it’s what we do know that is the most significant evidence.
Exactly!!!Dionisio
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Oh, no, no more of this silly stuff, please :( We've got more interesting real things to deal with :)Dionisio
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