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Socialists: Give apes human rights
Tuesday, April 25, 2006
Spain Herald: http://www.spainherald.com/3438.html

The Spanish Socialist Party will introduce a bill in the Congress of Deputies calling for “the immediate inclusion of (simians) in the category of persons, and that they be given the moral and legal protection that currently are only enjoyed by human beings.” The PSOE’s justification is that humans share 98.4% of our genes with chimpanzees, 97.7% with gorillas, and 96.4% with orangutans.

The party will announce its Great Ape Project at a press conference tomorrow. An organization with the same name is seeking a UN declaration on simian rights which would defend ape interests “the same as those of minors and the mentally handicapped of our species.”

According to the Project, “Today only members of the species Homo sapiens are considered part of the community of equals. The chimpanzee, the gorilla, and the orangutan are our species’s closest relatives. They possess sufficient mental faculties and emotional life to justify their inclusion in the community of equals.”

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ahh the beauty of Darwinism. Another example of a pagan philosophy being used against mankind. Alas.Mats_{April 29, 2006
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When you elevate apes to human status, you don't elevate apes. You debase humans. Since extreme socialism (of the Soviet/Chinese/Cuban variety) treats individuals as mere fodder for authoritarian/totalitarian regimes, I'm thinking this is more than a mere publicity stunt. After all, if you're no better than a savage animal, then there's no wrong in crushing you if it suits their purpose.russ_{April 27, 2006
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"If elephants had been fortunate enough to get opposable thumbs weÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d be the ones in the zoos instead of them"

From their perspective it's just dumb luck (unguided RM+NS) that humans are the top dog. Why stop with apes, why not grant rights to mice? These people are warped.

Here they are fighting for the rights of non-humans while a human fetus - who, unlike apes, share 100% of the genes - has no rights whatsoever. Let's fix our own problems before inviting other species to join the club.
So do unborn gorilla babies have any rights in Spain? Probably do - an endangered species or some crap. Hard to believe, isn't it? -ds Lurker_{April 27, 2006
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Huh. They are doing this for filthy poo flinging primates while not doing anything for the magnificent elephant whose intelligence and culture surpasses in complexity that of any species except humans? Primatocentric troglodytes! If elephants had been fortunate enough to get opposable thumbs we'd be the ones in the zoos instead of them and it would be a much gentler world as these giant herbivores treat each other with a lot more civility than we do.DaveScot_{April 27, 2006
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The socialists wish to put their Insanity on display. On the one hand they assert: "There is nothing special about human beings." On the other hand they assert: "We're superior to other human beings because we care." Insanity is the logical ending point of Darwinian thinking. Since their bill has no chance of passage, there are many non-legislative ways they could demonstrate their belief that the apes are equal. They could build hospitals and day-care centers, schools, jungle infrastructure. They could go into the jungle and make their homes with the apes; they can adopt apes and provide rooms for them in their own homes. The fact that they don't do these things shows that it is only attention they seek and that their self-perceived superiority is all they really care about.glennj_{April 27, 2006
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This makes sense,no really it does. Im pressing for more protection & equality for other organism based on the same arbitarily picked characteristic as Espania..... similarities. So watch out c.elegans I'm coming to the rescue, afterall you have similar cellular processes,a nervous system,gut,nonparasitic,-(nice worm),Muscles,you can learn,you get old and die. Save the worm~WormHerder_{April 27, 2006
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@ jpark320: Why they are consistent evolutionists? The main theme of evolution is "direct reproductive success". To what extent is this main theme guiding concerning decisions about human and animal rights? Is the welfare of great apes important to my/our reproductive success? Yes - ok, lets give them better protection. No - ok, their fate is not important. At the end they build their fight for the "moral and legal protection" of apes not on evolutionary theory but on the theory of common descent and a certain (questionable) view on the differences between apes and our species. Based solely on evolutionary theory there is no consistent way to give any animal special protection... evolutionary ethics are simply opportunism.Markus Rammerstorfer_{April 27, 2006
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Hey at least they're consistent evolutionists.jpark320_{April 27, 2006
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I wonder, would the Spaniards be allowed to marry apes?
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"The chimpanzee, the gorilla, and the orangutan are our specieÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s closest relatives. They possess sufficient mental faculties and emotional life to justify their inclusion in the community of equals.Ã¢â‚¬Â Hmmmm. Do these "apes" really want to be equated to human persons? Would they vote "yes" to a referendum giving them equal status to the most dependent of a destructive, divisive, and humiliating species? If so, would chimp consider himself equal to ape and orangutan? Given that even the most advanced umong us can't agree on what color the sky is, why would we expect these magnificent animals to agree to joining a club of malcontents? Somehow the zoo sounds much more inviting. Or perhaps a trip to Spain where we can awe at the murder of running bulls while apes sip sangrias.dougmoran_{April 26, 2006
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