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Junk Science as Ersatz Religion

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Why are ID theorists skeptical of “man-caused carbon dioxide emissions leading to the destruction of the planet” theory? The reason is that we follow the evidence, and have a nose that smells out junk science in the name of an ideological (indeed, a religious) agenda.

At a recent men’s church retreat I chatted with our pastor about how it seemed obvious to me that the global-warming thing exhibited all the attributes of a religion.

Mother earth is a goddess. We have sinned against her with technology. If we do not repent and return to primitive living she will call down her wrath and fry us all with vengeance.

Little did I know that Michael Barone, in his essay Collapse of the global-warming cult came to the same conclusion.

The same thing applies to the cult of Darwinism, which is promoted in the name of science. Darwinian theory (in particular, the presumed creative power of random mutations, and attempts to explain away the fact that the fossil evidence consistently contradicts gradualism) exhibits all the attributes of an ersatz religion.

It is the creation story of the religion of materialism.

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More Climate Change Headlines: "Seaweed Records Show Impact Of Ocean Warming; 'Trees Of The Ocean' Heading Toward Extinction" http://www.underwatertimes.com/news.php?article_id=45217810693 -----more to comeEocene
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Interesting how this got burried in the back. Well more Climate Change (Natural World Ruin) News today: "APNewsbreak: Panel Says Wild Weather Worsens" http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-panel-says-wild-weather-worsens-084540799.html Eocene
November 1, 2011
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GilDodgen: "Perhaps it is just I, but I find your comment incoherent and incomprehensible, so I have no response." ===== Well, let's see if your reading comprehension has improved any. "Skeptic Finds He Now Agrees Global Warming Is Real" (Today, Monday, October 31, 2011) http://news.yahoo.com/skeptic-finds-now-agrees-global-warming-real-142616605.html Interesting: "One-quarter of the $600,000 to do the research came from the Charles Koch Foundation, whose founder is a major funder of skeptic groups and the tea party. The Koch brothers, Charles and David, run a large privately held company involved in oil and other industries, producing sizable greenhouse gas emissions."Eocene
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StuartHarris: "the global warming crowd is actively getting into every other room of your house. They demand to dictate how I may heat and light all my rooms, what I can cook with in the kitchen, the kinds of foods I can eat in my dining room, and how much water I can use in the bathroom. And of course they’re in my garage telling me what I can drive, or whether I can drive at all. They’re even out on my patio making diktats concerning my BBQ and lawnmower!" ===== Congradulations there Stuey. You've just proven in one paragraph how the I.D. community is not so much concerned about the science behind the Climate Change discussion as it is it's obscene puruit of materialism. You have single handedly proven that they truly couldn't careless about God's wonderful creations and the proper custodialship of Earth's resources as instructed back in Eden. You've also condemned those billions of folks in the 3rd world who can't even remotely comprehend or fathom the materialistic freewilled lifestyle choices you've been able to make. Again folks, just like the materialist evolution debate, Climate Change Debates are not about the science either, it's about ideology, wealth, power and who's in control. Whatever happened to all that New Testament condemnation of materialism and the command to live and pursue a spiritual life first ??? ---- GilDodgen: "Cousin Stu, "How nice to hear from you! Since both you and I converted from atheistic materialism and became ID proponents." " . . which equip us to identify transparent BS when we encounter it." ==== So far you haven't provided a shred of evidence that global ruin isn't happening as we speak. Thus far you've proven that the Intelligent Design Community and Creationsit Political Pressure Groups are hypocritically every equal as materialistic as the Atheists/Agnostics you are in opposition too. How do you think God views this ??? How's that for comprehension and coherence ???Eocene
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Cousin Stu, How nice to hear from you! Apparently some nefarious, anti-god-delusional, selfish genes are lurking in Dodgen genealogy, since both you and I converted from atheistic materialism and became ID proponents. On the other hand, it could be that we inherited some logic genes, which equip us to identify transparent BS when we encounter it. :-)GilDodgen
October 30, 2011
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As long as we have a separation between church and state I'm not so worried about religions that I may view as wacky. If a red-faced televangelist like Al Gore gets up and bellows how the world is going to end tomorrow because we haven't been good puritans, I should be able to just turn him off. However, when it comes to the Apostle Al's creed, there is no separation of church and state. He demands the state controlled enforcing of accords, carbon offsets, price controls, life-style changes, etc. For those of you concerned that Christians want to "get into your bedroom", well, the global warming crowd is actively getting into every other room of your house. They demand to dictate how I may heat and light all my rooms, what I can cook with in the kitchen, the kinds of foods I can eat in my dining room, and how much water I can use in the bathroom. And of course they're in my garage telling me what I can drive, or whether I can drive at all. They're even out on my patio making diktats concerning my BBQ and lawnmower!StuartHarris
October 30, 2011
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GilDogen: So correct me if I'm wrong here, but the it seems the official stand for IDists is that they don't believe there is some sort of climate change whatsoever going on presently ??? It certainly seems to be the case, since there have been many such articles here and elsewhere that clearly seem to demonize anyone who is concerned about climate change. The other thing I don't understand is that it seems to be specifically a U.S.A. defiant stand where the religiously based groups on the Republican side that are viciously against such environmental warnings and it should be the other way around. Climate Change is not the only issue as any responsible environmental position seems to be attacked and demonized as nothing more than leftwing politics and I don't believe that's true. I don't doubt that the Left side are opportunists with some of these causes, as many of the celebs often live a hypocritical lifestyle that shows otherswise. But clearly there are anomalies that show us climate change is indeed a real issues even without science. Anyone human being around the globe can and has noticed changes in normal climate patterns. Areas of the South Pacific and Indian Oceans where small vulnerable Atolls which are mere feet above sea level have been the first to notice changes. There have been hands on documentaries recently about the island of Palau and the -flooding of taro patches at base of steep areas as a result of sea level rise and salt water intrusion into formerly freshwater marshes where the indigenous peoples have for centuries grown those traditional crops of Taro for food. The real challenge for them is that they now have to look for new sources of food. Of course I realize this means nothing to your average United Stater who lives comfortably on a large land mass mainland of a large continent living a different lifestyle from most folks around the globe and their wanting to preserve that certain superior lifestyle, but it doesn't mean that weather changes haven't effected them either. To cut this a bit short, weather modification science has increased especially since Hurricane Katrina. Prior to Katrina, science research in weather modification has long been investigated as a possible tool for possibly deflecting dangerous hurricanes away from heavily populated coastal areas. China and Russia already have huge programs in weather modification and so does the USA. Consider some of the many uses of such technologies being heavily utilized by the US Military(Air Force). This comes straight from the USAF Center for Strategy and Technologies website. http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf You can also google weather modification companies in general and view what they themselves say about their industries and what it is they do. Look up the online patents for they technologies, inventions and devices and read exactly how such technologies work. Clearly there could be a possible connection to the misuse and abuse of these techologies as a result of ignorance in not quite knowing what they are dealing with. Just like GMO technologies. Don't get me wrong, I don't support the other political Leftist side of the issues either, which clearly in many ways are not necessarily in support of the science so much as they use this hot potato issue as yet another tool for power grabbing away from their enemies, the evil Fundies at election times. The honest truth and problem here is that there are numerous irresponsible scientific technologies that are indeed ruining our planet and that is what I.D. should be shedding light on instead of propping up the present failed system. Clearly I believe there are many in the I.D. community who have an appreciation for the creative works of an Intelligent Designer, but their actions and political stands are not always consistant with such heartfelt expressions of wonder for a Creator's works.Eocene
October 30, 2011
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Eocene, Perhaps it is just I, but I find your comment incoherent and incomprehensible, so I have no response.GilDodgen
October 29, 2011
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GilDodgen: "At a recent men’s church retreat I chatted with our pastor about how it seemed obvious to me that the global-warming thing exhibited all the attributes of a religion." ==== It's unfortunate that your Pastor didn'tinform you about what your own holy bible said about environmental ruin in later days. It's also sad that a majority of Secularist people who identify with the group mentioned at Romans 1:25 have taken up a cause that the I.D. side should be championing. I'm confused as to why I.D. ists and Creationists are never once moved by the present global ruin that is bringing about the slow destruction of their Intelligent Designer's creation. The problem is that this is more of a political move as opposed to anything scientific. That goes equally well for both sides of the Demos vrs Repos Ailse. ---- GilDodgen: "Mother earth is a goddess. We have sinned against her with technology. If we do not repent and return to primitive living she will call down her wrath and fry us all with vengeance." ==== Well, on an interesting historical note. That Climate Summit they had in Cancun did begin with all those Secularists Scientists offering prayer to some Aztec or Mayan Moon goddess. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm??? ---- GilDodgen: "The same thing applies to the cult of Darwinism, which is promoted in the name of science." ==== You want a better argument against Evolutionary thinking infecting science ??? Do a heavy and deep study of the idiotic research behind "Genteically Modified Organisms" and the brazen assertions the 'Know-It-Alls' geneticists who are running and promoting this environmentally damaging techonolgies claim they know what they are doing and also compare the Anti-Science labling given to opponants of it. You should also take special note of the lying, damaging data burying and rigging of experiments by the corpoations involved in covering up the damaging truths. Pay particular attention as to what/why celebrity Evolutionary Philosophers like Richard Dawkins, PZ Meyers and others like Penn Jillette are behind it's promotion and also involved in the same exact labling of opponants of GMOs as anti-science. Those pimps involvement alone should be reason enough to change your focus in future articles.Eocene
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