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		<title>By: poachy</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/judge-tells-yoko-ono-imagine-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-289996</link>
		<dc:creator>poachy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Charlie,

I see you are still trying to dirty my name.  I should be upset, but I am not. It makes me feel like I am some undercover agent....or not.  Much more interesting than my real life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Charlie,</p>
<p>I see you are still trying to dirty my name.  I should be upset, but I am not. It makes me feel like I am some undercover agent&#8230;.or not.  Much more interesting than my real life.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Larry, 
re: #12 re: #4.
Poachy knows that.
He is a sarcastic sock puppet making his points in a veiled instead of honest manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Larry,<br />
re: #12 re: #4.<br />
Poachy knows that.<br />
He is a sarcastic sock puppet making his points in a veiled instead of honest manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Fafarman</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/judge-tells-yoko-ono-imagine-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-289971</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Fafarman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK,  Dave,  I removed the abusive language from my comment.

j said,

&lt;blockquote&gt;The conclusion of the ruling* is (somewhat ironically) especially insightful:

&lt;i&gt;In sum, &lt;b&gt;allowing defendants’ use would better serve&lt;/b&gt; “the copyright law’s goal of promoting &lt;b&gt;the Progress of Science&lt;/b&gt; and useful Arts . . . than [would] preventing it.”&lt;/i&gt;

 (Boldface added.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That is a quotation from the US Constitution,  Article I,  Section 8 --

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Congress shall have power . . . . To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Even if the movie&#039;s use of the song does not promote the progress of science,  it at least promotes useful arts.   Films are considered to be a useful art.

Reply to Poachy&#039;s comment #4 -- I am not a lawyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK,  Dave,  I removed the abusive language from my comment.</p>
<p>j said,</p>
<blockquote><p>The conclusion of the ruling* is (somewhat ironically) especially insightful:</p>
<p><i>In sum, <b>allowing defendants’ use would better serve</b> “the copyright law’s goal of promoting <b>the Progress of Science</b> and useful Arts . . . than [would] preventing it.”</i></p>
<p> (Boldface added.)</p></blockquote>
<p>That is a quotation from the US Constitution,  Article I,  Section 8 &#8211;</p>
<blockquote><p>The Congress shall have power . . . . To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries; </p></blockquote>
<p>Even if the movie&#8217;s use of the song does not promote the progress of science,  it at least promotes useful arts.   Films are considered to be a useful art.</p>
<p>Reply to Poachy&#8217;s comment #4 &#8212; I am not a lawyer.</p>
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		<title>By: William Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 04:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was not as sure as you were on this, but am glad it turned out well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was not as sure as you were on this, but am glad it turned out well.</p>
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		<title>By: Frost122585</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frost122585</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bwhahahahahahah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bwhahahahahahah!</p>
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		<title>By: j</title>
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		<dc:creator>j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conclusion of the ruling* is (somewhat ironically) especially insightful:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In sum, &lt;b&gt;allowing defendants’ use would better serve&lt;/b&gt; “the copyright law’s goal of promoting &lt;b&gt;the Progress of Science&lt;/b&gt; and useful Arts . . . than [would] preventing it.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

:-) (Boldface added.)

* available at http://www.evolutionnews.org/expelledsdny.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conclusion of the ruling* is (somewhat ironically) especially insightful:</p>
<blockquote><p>In sum, <b>allowing defendants’ use would better serve</b> “the copyright law’s goal of promoting <b>the Progress of Science</b> and useful Arts . . . than [would] preventing it.”</p></blockquote>
<p> <img src='http://www.uncommondescent.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  (Boldface added.)</p>
<p>* available at <a href="http://www.evolutionnews.org/expelledsdny.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.evolutionnews.org/expelledsdny.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Larry Fafarman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Fafarman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noremacam said (#5) --

&lt;blockquote&gt;OK, I think I’m paranoid, because I was so sure that some sort of bias was going to override logic and some incompetent judge was gonna grant Yoko’s order. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
 
Yes,  they could have gotten another judge who had &quot;true religion&quot; like Judge John E. &quot;Jackass&quot; Jones III had (I got the nickname from a Dover defendant).    Judge Jones said in a Dickinson College &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dickinson.edu/commencement/2006/address.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;commencement speech&lt;/a&gt; that his Dover decision was based on his notion that the Founders based the establishment clause upon a belief that organized religions are not &quot;true&quot; religions:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;. . . . this much is very clear.   The Founders believed that true religion was not something handed down by a church or contained in a Bible, but was to be found through free, rational inquiry.   At bottom then, this core set of beliefs led the Founders, who constantly engaged and questioned things, to secure their idea of religious freedom by barring any alliance between church and state.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

F2XL said (#7) --
&lt;blockquote&gt;Dang, anyone know what HTML code allows you to quote others on this site? Getting annoyed with having to italicize everything. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Just use the word &quot;blockquote&quot; inside the inequality signs.    That is a standard HTML code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noremacam said (#5) &#8211;</p>
<blockquote><p>OK, I think I’m paranoid, because I was so sure that some sort of bias was going to override logic and some incompetent judge was gonna grant Yoko’s order. </p></blockquote>
<p>Yes,  they could have gotten another judge who had &#8220;true religion&#8221; like Judge John E. &#8220;Jackass&#8221; Jones III had (I got the nickname from a Dover defendant).    Judge Jones said in a Dickinson College <a href="http://www.dickinson.edu/commencement/2006/address.html" rel="nofollow">commencement speech</a> that his Dover decision was based on his notion that the Founders based the establishment clause upon a belief that organized religions are not &#8220;true&#8221; religions:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;. . . . this much is very clear.   The Founders believed that true religion was not something handed down by a church or contained in a Bible, but was to be found through free, rational inquiry.   At bottom then, this core set of beliefs led the Founders, who constantly engaged and questioned things, to secure their idea of religious freedom by barring any alliance between church and state.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>F2XL said (#7) &#8211;</p>
<blockquote><p>Dang, anyone know what HTML code allows you to quote others on this site? Getting annoyed with having to italicize everything. </p></blockquote>
<p>Just use the word &#8220;blockquote&#8221; inside the inequality signs.    That is a standard HTML code.</p>
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		<title>By: F2XL</title>
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		<dc:creator>F2XL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang, anyone know what HTML code allows you to quote others on this site? Getting annoyed with having to italicize everything.

&lt;blockquote&gt; [blockquote] quoted stuff [/blockquote] 

Replace brackets [] with carets &lt;&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang, anyone know what HTML code allows you to quote others on this site? Getting annoyed with having to italicize everything.</p>
<blockquote><p> [blockquote] quoted stuff [/blockquote] </p>
<p>Replace brackets [] with carets <> </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: F2XL</title>
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		<dc:creator>F2XL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I think I’m paranoid, because I was so sure that some sort of bias was going to override logic and some incompetent judge was gonna grant Yoko’s order.

I felt the same way. For a second I thought the judge would defy all reason to support Yoko Ono, even though Michael Moore has done far worse then what we see in Expelled.

My faith in “the system” is so little. :^)

After Dover who wouldn&#039;t?

BTW just read Traipsing Into Evolution a second time to make sure it said what I thought it said and boy does it make you wonder why nobody is holding Jones accountable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I think I’m paranoid, because I was so sure that some sort of bias was going to override logic and some incompetent judge was gonna grant Yoko’s order.</p>
<p>I felt the same way. For a second I thought the judge would defy all reason to support Yoko Ono, even though Michael Moore has done far worse then what we see in Expelled.</p>
<p>My faith in “the system” is so little. :^)</p>
<p>After Dover who wouldn&#8217;t?</p>
<p>BTW just read Traipsing Into Evolution a second time to make sure it said what I thought it said and boy does it make you wonder why nobody is holding Jones accountable.</p>
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		<title>By: Noremacam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noremacam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I think I&#039;m paranoid, because I was so sure that some sort of bias was going to override logic and some incompetent judge was gonna grant Yoko&#039;s order.

My faith in &quot;the system&quot; is so little. :^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I think I&#8217;m paranoid, because I was so sure that some sort of bias was going to override logic and some incompetent judge was gonna grant Yoko&#8217;s order.</p>
<p>My faith in &#8220;the system&#8221; is so little. :^)</p>
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