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		<title>By: vesler</title>
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		<dc:creator>vesler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 21:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tyharris:

The same thing happened to me. At first I tried to allow all comments, but I finally had to turn on the moderation to stop all the cowardly, anonymous bombs that were being thrown. I figured, &quot;Hey, its my blog. I don&#039;t have to put up with this.&quot;

Most of these people don&#039;t want to play fair. They make anonymous posts, and they make snide remarks. They must be unhappy people.

Turn on moderation. You&#039;ll still have to read the stupid remarks, but you&#039;ll have the satisfaction of rejecting them.</description>
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<p>The same thing happened to me. At first I tried to allow all comments, but I finally had to turn on the moderation to stop all the cowardly, anonymous bombs that were being thrown. I figured, &#8220;Hey, its my blog. I don&#8217;t have to put up with this.&#8221;</p>
<p>Most of these people don&#8217;t want to play fair. They make anonymous posts, and they make snide remarks. They must be unhappy people.</p>
<p>Turn on moderation. You&#8217;ll still have to read the stupid remarks, but you&#8217;ll have the satisfaction of rejecting them.</p>
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		<title>By: Designed Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Designed Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 09:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Sal.  In case I forget, happy resurrection day.</description>
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		<title>By: Wakefield Tolbert</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/finnish-peer-reviewed-article-thats-pro-id/comment-page-1/#comment-111984</link>
		<dc:creator>Wakefield Tolbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TyHarris: I don&#039;t have a clear recommendation about the hatred you&#039;ve experience, but unless you feel scrappy you should just closely monitor the commentary. You will get no quarter on their terms. However, back to design parameters, you might find this interesting also. Seems a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0609809104v1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brand New Mosquito(!)&lt;/a&gt; has been developed that when interbred with the &quot;background&quot; population tends to weed out those that can carry the malarial virus. Both sides might claim this is &quot;evolution&quot; of the micro type in action. Or not. Yes, mosquitoes breed, they breed quickly, and yes like Darwin&#039;s finches traits get passed around  quickly if allowed to survive. But the main point is that this is an ENGINEERED insect. Supposedly mother nature&#039;s evolutionary answer to malarial infections was for humans to resist by developing sickle-cell anemia. But the lab-induced trick demonstrates that purposeful reshuffling of the genome can alter living things to do our bidding. So perhaps the ID crowd can claim this is a &quot;testable&quot; claim that other bio-features commonly thought to be around due to some &quot;just so&quot; story of purposeless, blind interaction with the environment were actually modified in some OTHER manner more quickly than we imagined? The problem is you have to know exactly what you&#039;re doing.

Adding to this climate &quot;design parameter&quot; findings, we have yet another Adult Stem Cell success story: I think all here would appreciate yet another success story (or certainly great potential) with Adult stem cells(ASCs), which can be pulled and grown from you and me without the ethical controversy that surrounds the &lt;em&gt;embryonic&lt;/em&gt; version (ESCs) (which in the latter case--if extracted new--must be taken from fertilized human ova). ASCs are apparently demonstrating a &quot;multipotency&quot; that has all the potential of the much heralded &quot;pluripotency&quot; of ESCs.

We can&#039;t fix a broken heart just yet, but we might be able to soon regrow part of one. From the UK Telegraph see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/03/nheart03.xml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here,&lt;/a&gt; and also, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=RNGKZKQZ0XJTXQFIQMGSFF4AVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2007/03/27/nstem27.xml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TyHarris: I don&#8217;t have a clear recommendation about the hatred you&#8217;ve experience, but unless you feel scrappy you should just closely monitor the commentary. You will get no quarter on their terms. However, back to design parameters, you might find this interesting also. Seems a <a href="http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0609809104v1" rel="nofollow">Brand New Mosquito(!)</a> has been developed that when interbred with the &#8220;background&#8221; population tends to weed out those that can carry the malarial virus. Both sides might claim this is &#8220;evolution&#8221; of the micro type in action. Or not. Yes, mosquitoes breed, they breed quickly, and yes like Darwin&#8217;s finches traits get passed around  quickly if allowed to survive. But the main point is that this is an ENGINEERED insect. Supposedly mother nature&#8217;s evolutionary answer to malarial infections was for humans to resist by developing sickle-cell anemia. But the lab-induced trick demonstrates that purposeful reshuffling of the genome can alter living things to do our bidding. So perhaps the ID crowd can claim this is a &#8220;testable&#8221; claim that other bio-features commonly thought to be around due to some &#8220;just so&#8221; story of purposeless, blind interaction with the environment were actually modified in some OTHER manner more quickly than we imagined? The problem is you have to know exactly what you&#8217;re doing.</p>
<p>Adding to this climate &#8220;design parameter&#8221; findings, we have yet another Adult Stem Cell success story: I think all here would appreciate yet another success story (or certainly great potential) with Adult stem cells(ASCs), which can be pulled and grown from you and me without the ethical controversy that surrounds the <em>embryonic</em> version (ESCs) (which in the latter case&#8211;if extracted new&#8211;must be taken from fertilized human ova). ASCs are apparently demonstrating a &#8220;multipotency&#8221; that has all the potential of the much heralded &#8220;pluripotency&#8221; of ESCs.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t fix a broken heart just yet, but we might be able to soon regrow part of one. From the UK Telegraph see <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/03/nheart03.xml" rel="nofollow">here,</a> and also, <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=RNGKZKQZ0XJTXQFIQMGSFF4AVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2007/03/27/nstem27.xml" rel="nofollow">here!</a></p>
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		<title>By: GilDodgen</title>
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		<dc:creator>GilDodgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tyharris,

I posted a commentary at UD this morning on the topic of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/friday-musings-irrational-hatred-of-id-and-a-scientific-sea-change/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the irrational hatred of ID&lt;/a&gt;, before I saw your comments on this thread. Perhaps I&#039;ve provided some insight into the hostility you&#039;ve experienced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tyharris,</p>
<p>I posted a commentary at UD this morning on the topic of <a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/friday-musings-irrational-hatred-of-id-and-a-scientific-sea-change/" rel="nofollow">the irrational hatred of ID</a>, before I saw your comments on this thread. Perhaps I&#8217;ve provided some insight into the hostility you&#8217;ve experienced.</p>
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		<title>By: johnnyb</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnnyb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ty --

Your problem is simple -- your blog entry is way too long.  This allows your opponents to criticize you without reading it (because no one has the time to read it in-depth), and keeps your friends from supporting you because, well, it&#039;s too much to read. 

I would break it up into chunks, and post it a piece at a time, each a self-contained thought.  Then you can argue specifics and people won&#039;t get bogged down in the specifics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ty &#8211;</p>
<p>Your problem is simple &#8212; your blog entry is way too long.  This allows your opponents to criticize you without reading it (because no one has the time to read it in-depth), and keeps your friends from supporting you because, well, it&#8217;s too much to read. </p>
<p>I would break it up into chunks, and post it a piece at a time, each a self-contained thought.  Then you can argue specifics and people won&#8217;t get bogged down in the specifics.</p>
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		<title>By: scordova</title>
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		<dc:creator>scordova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tyharris,

You might be interested in the thread by Jonathan Wells below.  He quotes Johnny Cash who indirectly quotes a wise teacher many centuries ago:  &quot; itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s good to be hated by the right people.Ã¢â‚¬Â

So I salute you, tyharris.  They may be inconvenient folks to deal with, but their response to you suggests you are doing a good job.

Sal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tyharris,</p>
<p>You might be interested in the thread by Jonathan Wells below.  He quotes Johnny Cash who indirectly quotes a wise teacher many centuries ago:  &#8221; itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s good to be hated by the right people.Ã¢â‚¬Â</p>
<p>So I salute you, tyharris.  They may be inconvenient folks to deal with, but their response to you suggests you are doing a good job.</p>
<p>Sal</p>
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		<title>By: scordova</title>
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		<dc:creator>scordova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
There is also overreliance on the Darwinian blind search to obtain practical results. In the long run, random methods cannot replace insight in constructing life-like proteins. For the near future, however, in enzyme development, we need to rely on a combination of both. 

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well by golly it seems there&#039;s empirical evidence Darwinism doesn&#039;t work so well in the very areas it hopes for vindication.  Reminds me of the old &quot;cobalt bomb&quot; lab experiments on plants that were conducted with the belief that accelerated mutation via radiation would accelerate the create process -- NOT!

If novel proteins are highly specific (there are relatively few functional sequences compared to the vast number of possible sequences), then of course Darwinism won&#039;t find them. DUH!  It&#039;s like using a genetic algorithm to figure out someone&#039;s password.  It doesn&#039;t work because passwords are IC, and complex proteins may be that as well.

Glad to see Biotic Message playing out in proteins.

Salvador
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regards to my brethren on this Good Friday...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
There is also overreliance on the Darwinian blind search to obtain practical results. In the long run, random methods cannot replace insight in constructing life-like proteins. For the near future, however, in enzyme development, we need to rely on a combination of both. </p>
</blockquote>
<p>Well by golly it seems there&#8217;s empirical evidence Darwinism doesn&#8217;t work so well in the very areas it hopes for vindication.  Reminds me of the old &#8220;cobalt bomb&#8221; lab experiments on plants that were conducted with the belief that accelerated mutation via radiation would accelerate the create process &#8212; NOT!</p>
<p>If novel proteins are highly specific (there are relatively few functional sequences compared to the vast number of possible sequences), then of course Darwinism won&#8217;t find them. DUH!  It&#8217;s like using a genetic algorithm to figure out someone&#8217;s password.  It doesn&#8217;t work because passwords are IC, and complex proteins may be that as well.</p>
<p>Glad to see Biotic Message playing out in proteins.</p>
<p>Salvador<br />
PS<br />
regards to my brethren on this Good Friday&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mats</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In the long run, &lt;b&gt;random methods cannot replace insight in constructing life-like proteins&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No kiding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In the long run, <b>random methods cannot replace insight in constructing life-like proteins</b>
</p></blockquote>
<p>No kiding.</p>
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		<title>By: kairosfocus</title>
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		<dc:creator>kairosfocus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Dembski:

Thanks for keeping us up to date on peer-reviewed publications that support ID. I note the article is behind one of those US$ 32.00 walls -- h&#039;mm price is going up, a few weeks back it was only $30.00.

So much for the idea of the Web as an information commons!

And, speaking of &lt;b&gt;the tragedy of the commons&lt;/b&gt;:

Ty Harris:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I put my fist in a hornetÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s nest, and I am now single-handedly trying to defend myself against a total atheist/evolutionist onslaught . . .&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My sympathies, I -- and many others -- have had very similar experiences. [BTW, Dr Wells, you probably have grounds for a slander suit against those who propagated lies on your qualifications; Pharyngula, if it does not take down and apologise for hosting those lies, probably is also liable.] I think several levels of response are appropriate here:

1] Those who abuse a privilege should only blame themselves if they lose it, so I join with Patrick and Apollos in saying: MODERATE. 

2] Since you have WordPress, put up a prominent page on your comments policy and why you have taken it up, telling abusers they can go open up their own blog to rant away to their heart&#039;s content. Point out that abuse will if necessary be traced and handled as the offence that it is, which can lead to loss of ISP privileges -- cf your contract to get net access.

3] More broadly, this is a sign of ill-informed arrogance, disrespect and the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of evolutionary materialism as a movement. These people are living out &lt;b&gt;Dawkins&#039; outrageous village atheist declaration that those who dare to doubt the wisdom of their favourite worldview, &quot;must&quot; be ignorant, stupid insane and/or wicked.&lt;/b&gt;

4] Point out the prejudice and zealous contempt of those who ask questions and beg to differ. Challenge them to justify the moral tinge to their accusations and concern over moral issues, relative to the ethical foundations of their worldview and its manifestations over the past 150 years. Challenge them as Schaeffer did, on the inconsistency between their moral intuitions and how they cannot ground the cogency of such intuitions relative to their worldview -- morality boils down to &quot;might makes right&quot; and &quot;nature red in tooth and claw&quot; so while there is cooperative behaviour in nature there is also predator-prey behaviour --  on evo mat presuppositions, after all the fancy phil footwork is done. That is, why should the hungry lion heed the bleat of the tasty, vulnerable gazelle? [Read: e.g. Hitler and lebesraum athe expense of the rest of Europe etc.] 

4a] Raise the question as to what the objectivity of morality points to: the Giver of the Core Moral Law written on all our hearts, which we are all guilty before. Cf Rom two five to eleven and fourteen to sixteen if you are a CHristian to see how this works out. [C S Lewis&#039; point on the implications of the fact and way in which we quarrel is a good place to start.]

5] Add to that, the issue highlighted by Aristotle in his The Rhetoric ever since the unjust death of Socrates was fresh in mind: &lt;i&gt;arguments draw persuasive power from  emotions, authority, facts and logic.&lt;/i&gt; Hostile emotions often distort judgements and easily deceive. No authority is better than his or her facts and reasoning. So, it is the credibility and materiality of claimed and omitted facts, and the quality of logic that should be the focus of reasonable discussion. 

6] In that context, selective hyperskepticism that begs worldview level questions -- &quot;extraordinary [i.e. cuts across the world as I see it] claims require extraordinary [i.e. unrealistically demanding] evidence&quot; -- instead of addressing the actually present, adequate evidence, should be exposed for the fallacy it is. 

7] Finally, link on your blogroll to some good survey presentations on the matter,and make reference to these in your onward responses. If you want a basic survey onthe matter, my own presentation is in my always linked. [Just click the link on my name.]

God bless all at Easter

Gordon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Dembski:</p>
<p>Thanks for keeping us up to date on peer-reviewed publications that support ID. I note the article is behind one of those US$ 32.00 walls &#8212; h&#8217;mm price is going up, a few weeks back it was only $30.00.</p>
<p>So much for the idea of the Web as an information commons!</p>
<p>And, speaking of <b>the tragedy of the commons</b>:</p>
<p>Ty Harris:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>I put my fist in a hornetÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s nest, and I am now single-handedly trying to defend myself against a total atheist/evolutionist onslaught . . .</i></p></blockquote>
<p>My sympathies, I &#8212; and many others &#8212; have had very similar experiences. [BTW, Dr Wells, you probably have grounds for a slander suit against those who propagated lies on your qualifications; Pharyngula, if it does not take down and apologise for hosting those lies, probably is also liable.] I think several levels of response are appropriate here:</p>
<p>1] Those who abuse a privilege should only blame themselves if they lose it, so I join with Patrick and Apollos in saying: MODERATE. </p>
<p>2] Since you have WordPress, put up a prominent page on your comments policy and why you have taken it up, telling abusers they can go open up their own blog to rant away to their heart&#8217;s content. Point out that abuse will if necessary be traced and handled as the offence that it is, which can lead to loss of ISP privileges &#8212; cf your contract to get net access.</p>
<p>3] More broadly, this is a sign of ill-informed arrogance, disrespect and the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of evolutionary materialism as a movement. These people are living out <b>Dawkins&#8217; outrageous village atheist declaration that those who dare to doubt the wisdom of their favourite worldview, &#8220;must&#8221; be ignorant, stupid insane and/or wicked.</b></p>
<p>4] Point out the prejudice and zealous contempt of those who ask questions and beg to differ. Challenge them to justify the moral tinge to their accusations and concern over moral issues, relative to the ethical foundations of their worldview and its manifestations over the past 150 years. Challenge them as Schaeffer did, on the inconsistency between their moral intuitions and how they cannot ground the cogency of such intuitions relative to their worldview &#8212; morality boils down to &#8220;might makes right&#8221; and &#8220;nature red in tooth and claw&#8221; so while there is cooperative behaviour in nature there is also predator-prey behaviour &#8212;  on evo mat presuppositions, after all the fancy phil footwork is done. That is, why should the hungry lion heed the bleat of the tasty, vulnerable gazelle? [Read: e.g. Hitler and lebesraum athe expense of the rest of Europe etc.] </p>
<p>4a] Raise the question as to what the objectivity of morality points to: the Giver of the Core Moral Law written on all our hearts, which we are all guilty before. Cf Rom two five to eleven and fourteen to sixteen if you are a CHristian to see how this works out. [C S Lewis' point on the implications of the fact and way in which we quarrel is a good place to start.]</p>
<p>5] Add to that, the issue highlighted by Aristotle in his The Rhetoric ever since the unjust death of Socrates was fresh in mind: <i>arguments draw persuasive power from  emotions, authority, facts and logic.</i> Hostile emotions often distort judgements and easily deceive. No authority is better than his or her facts and reasoning. So, it is the credibility and materiality of claimed and omitted facts, and the quality of logic that should be the focus of reasonable discussion. </p>
<p>6] In that context, selective hyperskepticism that begs worldview level questions &#8212; &#8220;extraordinary [i.e. cuts across the world as I see it] claims require extraordinary [i.e. unrealistically demanding] evidence&#8221; &#8212; instead of addressing the actually present, adequate evidence, should be exposed for the fallacy it is. </p>
<p>7] Finally, link on your blogroll to some good survey presentations on the matter,and make reference to these in your onward responses. If you want a basic survey onthe matter, my own presentation is in my always linked. [Just click the link on my name.]</p>
<p>God bless all at Easter</p>
<p>Gordon</p>
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		<title>By: Apollos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apollos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 05:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tyharris,

I agree with Patrick. Moderate your blog. There is no need for you to accept abuse. There are plenty of places where the rabid can go to bully people. 

If what you are asking for is reasonable discussion of a topic, then enforce that through moderation, and steadily build a community of folks who do not immediately resort to name calling when they&#039;re presented with a topic that makes them uncomfortable.

Take the arguments one at a time, and insist on proper conduct and generally on-topic posts. It&#039;s your blog, don&#039;t feel like you can&#039;t make the rules, and create a safe place for those interested in design arguments to have a reasonable discussion. Being intelectually honest does not mean that you have to make a defence of every ad hominem attack. Reject the trouble makers and they will make their way back to the hive.

There are plenty of cases for design that are problems for evolution. There are plenty of books written that can help. Here is a list of essential reading from Discovery Institute:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.discovery.org/csc/essentialReadings.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Discovery CSC&#039;s Essential Reading List&lt;/a&gt;

For a good introduction I recommend Lee Strobel&#039;s book, Case For A Creator. Also check out the DVDs, Unlocking the Mysteries of Life, and The Privileged Planet. There&#039;s actually a lot of stuff on ARN.org. Their video list is at:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://arn.org/arnproducts/php/video_show_catalog.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; ARN Video List&lt;/a&gt;

And just so that you know you&#039;re not the only one:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jonathan Wells responds to P. Z. MyerÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s tantrum&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tyharris,</p>
<p>I agree with Patrick. Moderate your blog. There is no need for you to accept abuse. There are plenty of places where the rabid can go to bully people. </p>
<p>If what you are asking for is reasonable discussion of a topic, then enforce that through moderation, and steadily build a community of folks who do not immediately resort to name calling when they&#8217;re presented with a topic that makes them uncomfortable.</p>
<p>Take the arguments one at a time, and insist on proper conduct and generally on-topic posts. It&#8217;s your blog, don&#8217;t feel like you can&#8217;t make the rules, and create a safe place for those interested in design arguments to have a reasonable discussion. Being intelectually honest does not mean that you have to make a defence of every ad hominem attack. Reject the trouble makers and they will make their way back to the hive.</p>
<p>There are plenty of cases for design that are problems for evolution. There are plenty of books written that can help. Here is a list of essential reading from Discovery Institute:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.discovery.org/csc/essentialReadings.php" rel="nofollow">Discovery CSC&#8217;s Essential Reading List</a></p>
<p>For a good introduction I recommend Lee Strobel&#8217;s book, Case For A Creator. Also check out the DVDs, Unlocking the Mysteries of Life, and The Privileged Planet. There&#8217;s actually a lot of stuff on ARN.org. Their video list is at:</p>
<p><a href="http://arn.org/arnproducts/php/video_show_catalog.php" rel="nofollow"> ARN Video List</a></p>
<p>And just so that you know you&#8217;re not the only one:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/" rel="nofollow">Jonathan Wells responds to P. Z. MyerÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s tantrum</a></p>
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