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		<title>By: Imagine no Religulous</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/expelled-makes-front-page-of-nytimes/comment-page-2/#comment-300298</link>
		<dc:creator>Imagine no Religulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dawkins told The New York Times that Expelled was misrepresented to him, and that he would not have taken part, had he known Ben Stein&#8217;s sympathies. But [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Expelled!: A chat with Walt Ruloff, plus some thoughts interspersed &#124; Uncommon Descent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Expelled!: A chat with Walt Ruloff, plus some thoughts interspersed &#124; Uncommon Descent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Darwinists have all the pop science journalists on auto dial. They need only ring them up and bitch. Indeed, that is precisely what Richard Dawkins did. One might have expected a professor of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Expelled: Why are Americans allowed to care so much about freedom?, and other thoughts &#124; Uncommon Descent</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/expelled-makes-front-page-of-nytimes/comment-page-2/#comment-291613</link>
		<dc:creator>Expelled: Why are Americans allowed to care so much about freedom?, and other thoughts &#124; Uncommon Descent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] broken the story of its existence last August. I watched it pitch and roll through accusations of trickery, a threatened lawsuit over plagiarism and a real one over intellectual property, production delays [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Larry Fafarman</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/expelled-makes-front-page-of-nytimes/comment-page-2/#comment-139535</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Fafarman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In press conferences,  do politicians ever ask a questioner&#039;s reason for asking a question? Wouldn&#039;t the politicians sound silly if their first response was, &quot;why do you ask?&quot; And politicians get into big trouble for giving different answers to the same question.    These Darwinists are making themselves look foolish by whining that they were &quot;misled.&quot;     I have already taken the Discovery Institute&#039;s Casey Luskin to task for denying &lt;i&gt;Monkey Girl&lt;/i&gt; author Edward Humes a full interview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In press conferences,  do politicians ever ask a questioner&#8217;s reason for asking a question? Wouldn&#8217;t the politicians sound silly if their first response was, &#8220;why do you ask?&#8221; And politicians get into big trouble for giving different answers to the same question.    These Darwinists are making themselves look foolish by whining that they were &#8220;misled.&#8221;     I have already taken the Discovery Institute&#8217;s Casey Luskin to task for denying <i>Monkey Girl</i> author Edward Humes a full interview.</p>
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		<title>By: russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.pulitzer.org/cgi-bin/year.pl?year=1932&amp;FormsButton1=Show+Winners

The above URL will take you to the Pulitzer Prize page for NY Times reporter, Walter Duranty.  Duranty made a name for himself whitewashing the &quot;Terror Famine&quot; created by Stalin to starve millions of Ukrainians for resisting collectivization.  Duranty was blackmailed (it was later discovered) into reporting in the NY Times that Ukrainians were doing just fine, without mentioning that &quot;Uncle Joe&#039;s&quot; government was confiscating their food.

This is the legacy of the NY Times, that they have never (as far as I know) surrendered the Prize won by publishing propaganda in service of Stalin&#039;s genocide.</description>
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<p>The above URL will take you to the Pulitzer Prize page for NY Times reporter, Walter Duranty.  Duranty made a name for himself whitewashing the &#8220;Terror Famine&#8221; created by Stalin to starve millions of Ukrainians for resisting collectivization.  Duranty was blackmailed (it was later discovered) into reporting in the NY Times that Ukrainians were doing just fine, without mentioning that &#8220;Uncle Joe&#8217;s&#8221; government was confiscating their food.</p>
<p>This is the legacy of the NY Times, that they have never (as far as I know) surrendered the Prize won by publishing propaganda in service of Stalin&#8217;s genocide.</p>
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		<title>By: PaV</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/expelled-makes-front-page-of-nytimes/comment-page-2/#comment-139399</link>
		<dc:creator>PaV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tina said:
&lt;i&gt;Mr Dawkins says,”At no time was I given the slightest clue that these people were a creationist front”.&lt;/i&gt;

Does that make Ben Stein a Jewish &quot;creationist&quot;?


From the article:

&lt;i&gt;Dr. Scott said, adding that she would have appeared in the film anyway. “I just expect people to be honest with me, and they weren’t.” &lt;/i&gt;

I want everyone&#039;s help here as I try to understand what Dr. Scott meant.  Does she mean that had she known the interview was for an ID friendly movie-maker she wouldn&#039;t have participated?  No.  She says she would have participated anyway.  So, why did she want to know who the movie makers were?  Are we to assume that she would have said things differently?  If the answer to that question is &quot;Yes&quot;, then it sounds like there are at least &quot;two&quot; versions of what Dr. Scott would say about evolution on camera: one for ID-unfriendly movie makers; and one for ID-friendly movie makers.  The question I need your help with is this:  Does all of this imply that despite the fact that Dr. Scott protests she wants people to be honest with her, that she has two versions of Darwinism she tells depending on the questioner?  

If, OTOH, the answer to the above question was &quot;No&quot;, that her answers regarding Darwinism wouldn&#039;t have changed in the least, then why does she complain that she felt the movie makers weren&#039;t being honest with her?  I wonder if Dr. Scott is being honest with herself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina said:<br />
<i>Mr Dawkins says,”At no time was I given the slightest clue that these people were a creationist front”.</i></p>
<p>Does that make Ben Stein a Jewish &#8220;creationist&#8221;?</p>
<p>From the article:</p>
<p><i>Dr. Scott said, adding that she would have appeared in the film anyway. “I just expect people to be honest with me, and they weren’t.” </i></p>
<p>I want everyone&#8217;s help here as I try to understand what Dr. Scott meant.  Does she mean that had she known the interview was for an ID friendly movie-maker she wouldn&#8217;t have participated?  No.  She says she would have participated anyway.  So, why did she want to know who the movie makers were?  Are we to assume that she would have said things differently?  If the answer to that question is &#8220;Yes&#8221;, then it sounds like there are at least &#8220;two&#8221; versions of what Dr. Scott would say about evolution on camera: one for ID-unfriendly movie makers; and one for ID-friendly movie makers.  The question I need your help with is this:  Does all of this imply that despite the fact that Dr. Scott protests she wants people to be honest with her, that she has two versions of Darwinism she tells depending on the questioner?  </p>
<p>If, OTOH, the answer to the above question was &#8220;No&#8221;, that her answers regarding Darwinism wouldn&#8217;t have changed in the least, then why does she complain that she felt the movie makers weren&#8217;t being honest with her?  I wonder if Dr. Scott is being honest with herself.</p>
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		<title>By: late_model</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/expelled-makes-front-page-of-nytimes/comment-page-2/#comment-139334</link>
		<dc:creator>late_model</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Dawkins classifying anyone who believes in a god acting in history as a creationist?  Is Ben Stein a creationist?  I know he Jewish but is he a creationist or does he believe in a higher power?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Dawkins classifying anyone who believes in a god acting in history as a creationist?  Is Ben Stein a creationist?  I know he Jewish but is he a creationist or does he believe in a higher power?</p>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Dawkins says,&quot;At no time was I given the slightest clue that these people were a creationist front&quot;.

Well I say, &quot;He&#039;ll just have to learn the hard way what Research means!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Dawkins says,&#8221;At no time was I given the slightest clue that these people were a creationist front&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well I say, &#8220;He&#8217;ll just have to learn the hard way what Research means!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: idnet.com.au</title>
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		<dc:creator>idnet.com.au</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dawkins and PZ were duped into being interviewed by Stein because they really believe that only fools would look at the issue and come out in support of ID. Maybe they are wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dawkins and PZ were duped into being interviewed by Stein because they really believe that only fools would look at the issue and come out in support of ID. Maybe they are wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: bornagain77</title>
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		<dc:creator>bornagain77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the evidence is so overwhelming for Darwinism why should they worry at all???? Why can&#039;t they just naturally select and mutate a bacteria into another type of bacteria or even phylum, and get the whole debate over with....
 Oh yeah that right... No concrete proof of evolution is just one of the few minor problems they are working on.....But rest assured Darwinism is true!!!!!....Don&#039;t dare question it boy or you career is over buddy...Toe that line!!!!! OR ELSE!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the evidence is so overwhelming for Darwinism why should they worry at all???? Why can&#8217;t they just naturally select and mutate a bacteria into another type of bacteria or even phylum, and get the whole debate over with&#8230;.<br />
 Oh yeah that right&#8230; No concrete proof of evolution is just one of the few minor problems they are working on&#8230;..But rest assured Darwinism is true!!!!!&#8230;.Don&#8217;t dare question it boy or you career is over buddy&#8230;Toe that line!!!!! OR ELSE!!!!!</p>
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