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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What happened to your new post entitled “Dr. Buggs Followup on his Chimp Comparison”?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sorry, I deleted it since Denyse is considering writing an article on that subject in the near future and my post was bare bones anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What happened to your new post entitled “Dr. Buggs Followup on his Chimp Comparison”?</p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry, I deleted it since Denyse is considering writing an article on that subject in the near future and my post was bare bones anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: notedscholar</title>
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		<dc:creator>notedscholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. I agree that Richard Dawkins, although brilliant, can be a bit of a drama queen.

Also, I appreciate what Stein &amp; co have done with &lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt;, even if they failed to anticipate negative response. They think outside of the box. Also, they ally themselves with people different than them, e.g. David Berlinski who is not a Christian. That&#039;s more than one can say of Richard Dawkins!

NS
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I agree that Richard Dawkins, although brilliant, can be a bit of a drama queen.</p>
<p>Also, I appreciate what Stein &amp; co have done with <i>Expelled</i>, even if they failed to anticipate negative response. They think outside of the box. Also, they ally themselves with people different than them, e.g. David Berlinski who is not a Christian. That&#8217;s more than one can say of Richard Dawkins!</p>
<p>NS<br />
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		<title>By: IDskeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>IDskeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe! I like &quot;red ink-a-sauruses&quot;, denyse! does that make you a &quot;link-a-saurus&quot;? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe! I like &#8220;red ink-a-sauruses&#8221;, denyse! does that make you a &#8220;link-a-saurus&#8221;? <img src='http://www.uncommondescent.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ribczynski</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/expelled-a-chat-with-walt-ruloff-plus-some-thoughts-interspersed/comment-page-1/#comment-299155</link>
		<dc:creator>ribczynski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick,

What happened to your new post entitled &quot;Dr. Buggs Followup on his Chimp Comparison&quot;?

I was about to submit a comment when I found that the post had disappeared!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick,</p>
<p>What happened to your new post entitled &#8220;Dr. Buggs Followup on his Chimp Comparison&#8221;?</p>
<p>I was about to submit a comment when I found that the post had disappeared!</p>
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		<title>By: allanius</title>
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		<dc:creator>allanius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sing we now noel. You don’t have to play Faust—Denyse is just telling a story. You don’t mind stories, do you? After all, Darwin told quite a nice one. Disturbing, this impulse to stamp out stories. Oh, I forgot—Darwin doesn’t permit us to tell any other.

As for the good ship modern culture and its worship of theoretical science: something that godawful big does not turn around nimbly. A little sturm und drang might make it easier, however—you know, a stiff headwind and a couple of violent waves.

Here’s a scenario: the anthropogenic global warming narrative collapses under the weight of empirical evidence. Since the legacy media bought into the narrative without reserve, even with enthusiasm, their credibility as science story tellers is smashed.

Here’s another: continuing advances in basic science and microbiology make it increasingly clear that materialism is an inadequate platform for science. Public becomes outraged. Malpractice suits abound. Dawkins loses his ill-gotten gains. PZ Myers melts and gives up the ruby slippers.

I don’t know the answer to Denyse’s conundrum, but I do know this: people living through a tidal change never see it when it is in process. From Kant’s point of view, the Enlightenment and Rationalism reigned supreme. He had no idea that he was sowing the seeds of revolution.

So keep it up, Denyse! You’re doing invaluable work. The seemingly impregnable uniformity of the legacy media is probably a sign of weakness. The fact that Expelled could even get made indicates a freshening breeze.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sing we now noel. You don’t have to play Faust—Denyse is just telling a story. You don’t mind stories, do you? After all, Darwin told quite a nice one. Disturbing, this impulse to stamp out stories. Oh, I forgot—Darwin doesn’t permit us to tell any other.</p>
<p>As for the good ship modern culture and its worship of theoretical science: something that godawful big does not turn around nimbly. A little sturm und drang might make it easier, however—you know, a stiff headwind and a couple of violent waves.</p>
<p>Here’s a scenario: the anthropogenic global warming narrative collapses under the weight of empirical evidence. Since the legacy media bought into the narrative without reserve, even with enthusiasm, their credibility as science story tellers is smashed.</p>
<p>Here’s another: continuing advances in basic science and microbiology make it increasingly clear that materialism is an inadequate platform for science. Public becomes outraged. Malpractice suits abound. Dawkins loses his ill-gotten gains. PZ Myers melts and gives up the ruby slippers.</p>
<p>I don’t know the answer to Denyse’s conundrum, but I do know this: people living through a tidal change never see it when it is in process. From Kant’s point of view, the Enlightenment and Rationalism reigned supreme. He had no idea that he was sowing the seeds of revolution.</p>
<p>So keep it up, Denyse! You’re doing invaluable work. The seemingly impregnable uniformity of the legacy media is probably a sign of weakness. The fact that Expelled could even get made indicates a freshening breeze.</p>
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		<title>By: Nnoel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nnoel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>playing devils advocate a bit here but isn&#039;t this statement a little bit ironic ?

&#039;people do not need a case; they only need a position from which they can successfully suppress or distort information&#039;

Many darwinist would say you do not have a case, and are just distorting facts that do not argee with your own beliefs....

just saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>playing devils advocate a bit here but isn&#8217;t this statement a little bit ironic ?</p>
<p>&#8216;people do not need a case; they only need a position from which they can successfully suppress or distort information&#8217;</p>
<p>Many darwinist would say you do not have a case, and are just distorting facts that do not argee with your own beliefs&#8230;.</p>
<p>just saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Upright BiPed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Upright BiPed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D.O.

I undertsand the sentiment...but...the big broadcast networks are still far and away the most-watched (most-chosen) medium in America - by several factors of magnitude actually.

It IS changing though, no doubt. What is REALLY changing is &lt;b&gt;when&lt;/b&gt; people are chosing to watch. DVR usage is now going through the roof. I have seen some network primetime programming increase in ratings by as much as 70% after Time-Shifted viewing is factored in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D.O.</p>
<p>I undertsand the sentiment&#8230;but&#8230;the big broadcast networks are still far and away the most-watched (most-chosen) medium in America &#8211; by several factors of magnitude actually.</p>
<p>It IS changing though, no doubt. What is REALLY changing is <b>when</b> people are chosing to watch. DVR usage is now going through the roof. I have seen some network primetime programming increase in ratings by as much as 70% after Time-Shifted viewing is factored in.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Mirll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Mirll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The makers of &quot;Expelled&quot; should be proud.  Scathing reviews from &quot;cool&quot; critics should be considered a badge of honor.

I&#039;m currently working on my next novel, a Spillanesqe sendup of ideology parading itself as science, set in the mid-26th century.  I can only imagine the deafening silence the critics will have for it, but, hey, we gotta keep trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The makers of &#8220;Expelled&#8221; should be proud.  Scathing reviews from &#8220;cool&#8221; critics should be considered a badge of honor.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently working on my next novel, a Spillanesqe sendup of ideology parading itself as science, set in the mid-26th century.  I can only imagine the deafening silence the critics will have for it, but, hey, we gotta keep trying.</p>
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		<title>By: O'Leary</title>
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		<dc:creator>O'Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upright BiPed, many of us newsies think current mass media are toast anyway. Look at the huge and ongoing losses. The big worry is that we will be expected to &lt;a href=&quot;http://post-darwinist.blogspot.com/2008/12/popular-media-proposed-bailouts-oh.html&quot; target=&quot;another&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bail them out&lt;/a&gt;, the way we are expected to bail out Detroit.

But why? We don&#039;t watch their shows, so why do we have to bail them out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upright BiPed, many of us newsies think current mass media are toast anyway. Look at the huge and ongoing losses. The big worry is that we will be expected to <a href="http://post-darwinist.blogspot.com/2008/12/popular-media-proposed-bailouts-oh.html" target="another" rel="nofollow">bail them out</a>, the way we are expected to bail out Detroit.</p>
<p>But why? We don&#8217;t watch their shows, so why do we have to bail them out?</p>
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		<title>By: Upright BiPed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Upright BiPed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this is very close to home. I work in media programming for a big four network. When Expelled came out I tried to rally News to do something to cover the story. 

I personally laid a printout of the OSC Report of Steinberg&#039;s case on several desks - leading to several conversations. All was a GO until it became clear what the story was actually about - then crickets.

Oh well.

Now I am working to assemble a nationally syndicated one-hour weekly program on the general subject matter, featuring a name all would immediately recognize with admiration (sorry, I can only say so much). I give the project a 40/60 chance, but I am trying all the same. 

It&#039;s a conversation that should happen, and is a conversation completely absent from mass media.

Lots of stumbling blocks along the way. Time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this is very close to home. I work in media programming for a big four network. When Expelled came out I tried to rally News to do something to cover the story. </p>
<p>I personally laid a printout of the OSC Report of Steinberg&#8217;s case on several desks &#8211; leading to several conversations. All was a GO until it became clear what the story was actually about &#8211; then crickets.</p>
<p>Oh well.</p>
<p>Now I am working to assemble a nationally syndicated one-hour weekly program on the general subject matter, featuring a name all would immediately recognize with admiration (sorry, I can only say so much). I give the project a 40/60 chance, but I am trying all the same. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a conversation that should happen, and is a conversation completely absent from mass media.</p>
<p>Lots of stumbling blocks along the way. Time will tell.</p>
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