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		<title>By: Platonist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Platonist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 23:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a person with a disibility (dyslexia), I find this professor&#039;s views extremly disturbing. 

Among the first to go in such a plan would be people like me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a person with a disibility (dyslexia), I find this professor&#8217;s views extremly disturbing. </p>
<p>Among the first to go in such a plan would be people like me.</p>
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		<title>By: SeanSean</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeanSean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So glad to hear my campus still has this guy lurking in the shadows.  Gotta love diversity.  I wonder if they have a disclaimer like the one Behe&#039;s college has for him, that the college doesn&#039;t endorse the guy&#039;s views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So glad to hear my campus still has this guy lurking in the shadows.  Gotta love diversity.  I wonder if they have a disclaimer like the one Behe&#8217;s college has for him, that the college doesn&#8217;t endorse the guy&#8217;s views.</p>
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		<title>By: vjtorley</title>
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		<dc:creator>vjtorley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaveScot

&lt;blockquote&gt;
I repeat, WTF does this have to do with design detection?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

OK, try this. &lt;b&gt;If&lt;/b&gt; Pianka is right, then we can at least rule out the existence of one kind of Designer: an omniscient, benevolent one. An omniscient, benevolent designer of life would certainly have foreseen the emergence of warm-blooded, technologically savvy hominids who would need to burn vast quantities of fossil fuels in order to stay warm and to commute rapidly from home to work. Such a designer would have either constructed atmospheric negative feedback mechanisms, to prevent the Earth from over-heating and said hominids from frying their planet, or it would have created a cheap, clean source of alternative energy which could support these hominids, without them having to wreck their planet.

If there turn out to be &lt;i&gt;no&lt;/i&gt; negative feedback mechanisms to dampen global warming to a manageable 1 or 2 degrees Celsius, and &lt;i&gt;no&lt;/i&gt; politically and economically feasible sources of alternative energy, and if billions of people die during the next 100 years as a result (as James Lovelock thinks they will) then I think we can rule out the existence of an omniscient, benevolent designer. At best, we&#039;d be left with either a dumb Demiurge or a cold Spinozan God who didn&#039;t care about our plight.

Faith is falsifiable. That&#039;s pretty scary for some people, but we just have to live with it.

What Pianka doesn&#039;t realize, though, is that a one-child society won&#039;t save the world, for three reasons. First, as families get smaller, they tend to indulge their children: trips to Europe, PCs in kindergarten, meals at expensive restaurants that import food from abroad - that sort of thing. Thus the carbon footprint of an affluent one-child family can easily outstrip that of a large family which lives frugally.

Second, as society gets more information-dependent, at an exponentially increasing rate, it&#039;ll consume more energy, as we require more and more gadgets. All the pills in the world won&#039;t be able to stop that. You want proof? Try Googling the amount of CO2 released by performing a Google search. The answer will surprise some.

Third, the scientific enterprise would come to a screeching halt without a critical mass of intelligent people pooling their ideas together. If we lived on a planet where the global population was 100 million (and some biologists really do think that&#039;s all we can sustain, in the long-term), then scientific innovation would come to a standstill. (Even in the time of Christ, the world&#039;s population was 200 million.) Without new scientific inventions, we really &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; be up salt creek without a paddle. For what the conservationists fail to understand is that we can &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; return to a state of harmony with nature. We&#039;ve already disrupted the balance of nature irreparably. Equilibrium is not an option. We&#039;ll just have to go on relying on our seemingly magical ability to come up with new inventions, so as to stay one step ahead of whatever catastrophe nature might have in store for us. So far, we&#039;ve managed to do that, thanks to our combined brainpower. Now &lt;i&gt;that&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; something that an omniscient, benevolent designer would have seen to: giving us a limitless capacity to innovate, provided that we have the nerve to stay on the roller coaster of history and keep growing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaveScot</p>
<blockquote><p>
I repeat, WTF does this have to do with design detection?
</p></blockquote>
<p>OK, try this. <b>If</b> Pianka is right, then we can at least rule out the existence of one kind of Designer: an omniscient, benevolent one. An omniscient, benevolent designer of life would certainly have foreseen the emergence of warm-blooded, technologically savvy hominids who would need to burn vast quantities of fossil fuels in order to stay warm and to commute rapidly from home to work. Such a designer would have either constructed atmospheric negative feedback mechanisms, to prevent the Earth from over-heating and said hominids from frying their planet, or it would have created a cheap, clean source of alternative energy which could support these hominids, without them having to wreck their planet.</p>
<p>If there turn out to be <i>no</i> negative feedback mechanisms to dampen global warming to a manageable 1 or 2 degrees Celsius, and <i>no</i> politically and economically feasible sources of alternative energy, and if billions of people die during the next 100 years as a result (as James Lovelock thinks they will) then I think we can rule out the existence of an omniscient, benevolent designer. At best, we&#8217;d be left with either a dumb Demiurge or a cold Spinozan God who didn&#8217;t care about our plight.</p>
<p>Faith is falsifiable. That&#8217;s pretty scary for some people, but we just have to live with it.</p>
<p>What Pianka doesn&#8217;t realize, though, is that a one-child society won&#8217;t save the world, for three reasons. First, as families get smaller, they tend to indulge their children: trips to Europe, PCs in kindergarten, meals at expensive restaurants that import food from abroad &#8211; that sort of thing. Thus the carbon footprint of an affluent one-child family can easily outstrip that of a large family which lives frugally.</p>
<p>Second, as society gets more information-dependent, at an exponentially increasing rate, it&#8217;ll consume more energy, as we require more and more gadgets. All the pills in the world won&#8217;t be able to stop that. You want proof? Try Googling the amount of CO2 released by performing a Google search. The answer will surprise some.</p>
<p>Third, the scientific enterprise would come to a screeching halt without a critical mass of intelligent people pooling their ideas together. If we lived on a planet where the global population was 100 million (and some biologists really do think that&#8217;s all we can sustain, in the long-term), then scientific innovation would come to a standstill. (Even in the time of Christ, the world&#8217;s population was 200 million.) Without new scientific inventions, we really <i>would</i> be up salt creek without a paddle. For what the conservationists fail to understand is that we can <i>never</i> return to a state of harmony with nature. We&#8217;ve already disrupted the balance of nature irreparably. Equilibrium is not an option. We&#8217;ll just have to go on relying on our seemingly magical ability to come up with new inventions, so as to stay one step ahead of whatever catastrophe nature might have in store for us. So far, we&#8217;ve managed to do that, thanks to our combined brainpower. Now <i>that&#8217;s</i> something that an omniscient, benevolent designer would have seen to: giving us a limitless capacity to innovate, provided that we have the nerve to stay on the roller coaster of history and keep growing.</p>
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		<title>By: William Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 05:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truth of the matter is many in the intelligentsia view human beings as a blight on the planet, a cancerous growth.  

Once you start to recognize this, you will also understand many of the policies they implement.

Google, for example, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Message.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Georgia guidestones&lt;/a&gt; as one patent example.


&lt;blockquote&gt;And Christian philosophy taken to its logical end brings us to Armegeddon.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Correction:  Kingdom of heaven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth of the matter is many in the intelligentsia view human beings as a blight on the planet, a cancerous growth.  </p>
<p>Once you start to recognize this, you will also understand many of the policies they implement.</p>
<p>Google, for example, the <a href="http://www.thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Message.htm" rel="nofollow">Georgia guidestones</a> as one patent example.</p>
<blockquote><p>And Christian philosophy taken to its logical end brings us to Armegeddon.</p></blockquote>
<p>Correction:  Kingdom of heaven.</p>
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		<title>By: Borne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Borne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaveScot:
&quot;And Christian philosophy taken to its logical end brings us to Armegeddon.&quot; 
Really? So explain to us just how &quot;love your neighbor as yourself&quot;, &quot;do as you would be done by&quot;, &quot;love your enemies, bless them that curse you&quot;, &quot;do no murder&quot;, do not take what doesn&#039;t belong to you&quot;, &quot;forgive if you want to be forgiven&quot;, etc etc etc,  logically leads to Armageddon? 

&quot;I repeat, WTF does this have to do with design detection?&quot; 
You&#039;re getting awfully rude and ornery in your old age.  
What do your perpetual rants against climate hype have to do with ID? 

Can you at least see the link between Darwinism and eugenics (the sterilize &#039;em or kill &#039;em off version of population control).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaveScot:<br />
&#8220;And Christian philosophy taken to its logical end brings us to Armegeddon.&#8221;<br />
Really? So explain to us just how &#8220;love your neighbor as yourself&#8221;, &#8220;do as you would be done by&#8221;, &#8220;love your enemies, bless them that curse you&#8221;, &#8220;do no murder&#8221;, do not take what doesn&#8217;t belong to you&#8221;, &#8220;forgive if you want to be forgiven&#8221;, etc etc etc,  logically leads to Armageddon? </p>
<p>&#8220;I repeat, WTF does this have to do with design detection?&#8221;<br />
You&#8217;re getting awfully rude and ornery in your old age.<br />
What do your perpetual rants against climate hype have to do with ID? </p>
<p>Can you at least see the link between Darwinism and eugenics (the sterilize &#8216;em or kill &#8216;em off version of population control).</p>
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		<title>By: DaveScot</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveScot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 02:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DonaldM

Right.  And Christian philosophy taken to its logical end brings us to Armegeddon.  I repeat, WTF does this have to do with design detection?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DonaldM</p>
<p>Right.  And Christian philosophy taken to its logical end brings us to Armegeddon.  I repeat, WTF does this have to do with design detection?</p>
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		<title>By: DonaldM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DonaldM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I think its relevant to the discussions of ID and evolution as it is an example of taking a worldview to its logical conclusion.  Pianka is a Darwinist who rejects ID.  As such, he clearly believes that there is nothing special about humans and we are just another germ on the planet, or something to that effect.
Only we&#039;re messing things up, so the majority of us need to be eliminated.  It is Darwinian think taken to its extreme conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I think its relevant to the discussions of ID and evolution as it is an example of taking a worldview to its logical conclusion.  Pianka is a Darwinist who rejects ID.  As such, he clearly believes that there is nothing special about humans and we are just another germ on the planet, or something to that effect.<br />
Only we&#8217;re messing things up, so the majority of us need to be eliminated.  It is Darwinian think taken to its extreme conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveScot</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveScot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overpopulation doomsdayers have been around since at least the 1960&#039;s that I remember.  What&#039;s changed is what other looming global disaster is served with it like a doom du jour.  I&#039;ve seen it served with nuclear holocaust, global warming, and global cooling.   It seems that a significant percentage of the human race just isn&#039;t happy unless they believe there&#039;s some man-made global catastrophe on the way that &lt;i&gt;must be fixed&lt;/i&gt;.

I do have a question.  How is this relevant to intelligent design?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overpopulation doomsdayers have been around since at least the 1960&#8242;s that I remember.  What&#8217;s changed is what other looming global disaster is served with it like a doom du jour.  I&#8217;ve seen it served with nuclear holocaust, global warming, and global cooling.   It seems that a significant percentage of the human race just isn&#8217;t happy unless they believe there&#8217;s some man-made global catastrophe on the way that <i>must be fixed</i>.</p>
<p>I do have a question.  How is this relevant to intelligent design?</p>
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		<title>By: bFast</title>
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		<dc:creator>bFast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a profound waste of 9 minutes of my time.  They didn&#039;t even make a compelling case. And having highschool students who don&#039;t have any acting ability reading their pieces, well, it was painfully flat.

I generally agree with Billy Graham who suggests that the only biblical command that man has ever kept was to be fruitful and multiply.  I also agree with him that we have completed this command already.

That said, we need to be very humane in how we approach the slowing of human population growth.  I have no trouble at all, for instance, with families voluntarily limiting themselves to one or two children per family.  

The good professor in this video didn&#039;t get nearly as foolish as his reputation.  At least this time he wasn&#039;t rootin&#039; for mass extinction of human populations.  At least he wasn&#039;t rootin&#039; for a pandemic that reduces the population of mankind by 90%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a profound waste of 9 minutes of my time.  They didn&#8217;t even make a compelling case. And having highschool students who don&#8217;t have any acting ability reading their pieces, well, it was painfully flat.</p>
<p>I generally agree with Billy Graham who suggests that the only biblical command that man has ever kept was to be fruitful and multiply.  I also agree with him that we have completed this command already.</p>
<p>That said, we need to be very humane in how we approach the slowing of human population growth.  I have no trouble at all, for instance, with families voluntarily limiting themselves to one or two children per family.  </p>
<p>The good professor in this video didn&#8217;t get nearly as foolish as his reputation.  At least this time he wasn&#8217;t rootin&#8217; for mass extinction of human populations.  At least he wasn&#8217;t rootin&#8217; for a pandemic that reduces the population of mankind by 90%.</p>
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		<title>By: Atom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have these people ever driven through the US Southwest? Or almost any non-city part of South America? (Or Central America for that matter.)

Sorry, the world has lots of uninhabited, un-farmed portions. It is simplistic to blame famine in places like Uganda and the Sudan on overpopulation.

They tried something similar in the 60&#039;s, blaming Latin America&#039;s poverty problem on &quot;overpopulation&quot; in the region, trying to force sterilizations and other reproductive controls. The only problem was that the region was one of the least populated (per square mile) places on earth at the time! 

Again, simple answers are sometimes simply wrong.

Atom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have these people ever driven through the US Southwest? Or almost any non-city part of South America? (Or Central America for that matter.)</p>
<p>Sorry, the world has lots of uninhabited, un-farmed portions. It is simplistic to blame famine in places like Uganda and the Sudan on overpopulation.</p>
<p>They tried something similar in the 60&#8242;s, blaming Latin America&#8217;s poverty problem on &#8220;overpopulation&#8221; in the region, trying to force sterilizations and other reproductive controls. The only problem was that the region was one of the least populated (per square mile) places on earth at the time! </p>
<p>Again, simple answers are sometimes simply wrong.</p>
<p>Atom</p>
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