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Sometimes a negative result in science is just as useful as a positive one. I believe that applies to Intelligent Design as well. Today I’m going to talk about a structure found in birds, which may or may not have been designed. Not being a biologist, I’d like to hear readers’ opinions before I make up my mind.

There are structures found in Nature which were obviously designed. I blogged recently about one recently in my post, The video that proves Intelligent Design: the ATP synthase enzyme. You can watch the 86-second video here.

There are also many structures in Nature which, we can confidently assume, were not designed. In his book, The Edge of Evolution (Free Press, 2007, pp. 78-80), Professor Michael Behe makes a convincing case that the antifreeze proteins found in Antarctic fish can be accounted for in terms of Darwinian evolution. No need to invoke design here.

And then there are the head scratchers that leave us all wondering. One such example is the syrinx. That’s the name for the vocal organ of birds, which enables them to produce sounds, despite the fact that they lack the vocal chords possessed by mammals. The syrinx comes in varying degrees of complexity, and the Australian lyrebird, which possesses an extraordinary ability to mimic sounds, has the most complex syrinx of any bird. How good is it? If you want to find out, I suggest that you click on this Absolutely Amazing BBC link and watch the two videos of the Superb lyrebird (the larger of the two species of lyrebird). One of these videos features the naturalist David Attenborough. And if you click here, you can also listen to Chook, a male lyrebird at Adelaide Zoo, imitating the sound of construction equipment. Here’s what Wikipedia has to say about the lyrebird’s ability for mimicry:

A lyrebird’s call is a rich mixture of its own song and any number of other sounds it has heard. The lyrebird’s syrinx is the most complexly-muscled of the Passerines (songbirds), giving the lyrebird extraordinary ability, unmatched in vocal repertoire and mimicry. Lyrebirds render with great fidelity the individual songs of other birds and the chatter of flocks of birds, and also mimic other animals, human noises, machinery of all kinds, explosions, and musical instruments. The lyrebird is capable of imitating almost any sound – from a mill whistle to a cross-cut saw, and, not uncommonly, sounds as diverse as chainsaws,[2] car engines and car alarms, fire alarms, rifle-shots, camera shutters, dogs barking, crying babies, and even the human voice. Lyrebirds are shy birds and a constant stream of bird calls coming from one place is often the only way of identifying them and their presence. The female lyrebird is also an excellent mimic, but she is not heard as often as the male lyrebird.[3][4][5]

This anecdotal example of the lyrebird’s mimicry in the Wikipedia article is pretty jaw-dropping, too.

So, can Darwinism explain the lyrebird’s syrinx? Over at Why Evolution is True, a short post on the lyrebird put forward a simple explanation for the lyrebird’s extraordinary ability to mimic: sexual selection. Leaving aside the author’s factually incorrect assertion that female lyrebirds don’t mimic, this doesn’t strike me as a terribly good explanation: it tells us why the lyrebird’s syrinx might have evolved, but says nothing about how.

To answer the question properly, it might be more sensible to identify the genes that code for the development of the syrinx, and compare their expression in: (a) the Superb lyrebird; (b) other songbirds (suborder Passeri); (c) suboscine birds, which belong to the suborder Tympani of the order Passeriformes (perching birds). (Suboscine perching birds have a less developed syrinx than that found in songbirds.) One would also need to identify a plausible evolutionary antecedent for the syrinx – i.e. an organ from which it might have developed – and compare the genes coding for the development of this organ with those coding for the development of the syrinx. Having done that, one would need to identify the genetic (and morphological) changes required in order to arrive at the lyrebird’s syrinx, and evaluate the biological viability of hypothetical intermediate forms. Ideally, one would try to recreate these intermediate forms artificially. That would be the kind of research I’d look for, in order to resolve the question of whether the syrinx was designed, and I see no reason in principle why it couldn’t be done. Whether this kind of research has been conducted or not, I have no idea. What I do know that it’s worth doing, if for no other reason than to advance our scientific knowledge and help us to decide whether the syrinx is indeed a product of Intelligent Design. And let the chips fall where they may.

I am a philosopher by training, not a biologist. If readers have any suggestions or comments, or if they would like to propose another way of resolving the question I have raised about the syrinx, they are most welcome to do so.

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"Well, I have no idea how many bits of genetic information are required to specify the syrinx, and I’m not sure anyone else knows either." I am pretty sure that nobody else currently knows either - that would be an incredibly complex piece of information to obtain. Not impossible to obtain in principle, of course, but highly unlikely to happen while this blog thread is alive ;) However, the second component of your design hypothesis, "that no unguided evolutionary pathway is capable of building these structures" seems problematic in principle. How do you suggest this could be tested?molch
December 17, 2010
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molch: You make a very good point about the need to test an actual design hypothesis alongside the evolutionary hypotheses. From an ID perspective, the relevant design hypothesis would be that all structures found in living organisms whose specification at the genetic level requires more than a certain number of bits of information (call it N) were designed, and that no unguided evolutionary pathway is capable of building these structures. Stephen Meyer describes the calculations for N in Signature in the Cell. We would expect N to remain a constant across all classes of organisms, if it is a true threshold. Well, I have no idea how many bits of genetic information are required to specify the syrinx, and I'm not sure anyone else knows either. So I guess I'm still stuck at square one.vjtorley
December 17, 2010
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vjtorley: "If you have enough computers simulating enough scenarios, you can cover a pretty wide selection of hypotheses." Well, you can cover a particular aspect of some hypotheses in computer simulations. But questions like, for example, what a viable morphology might look like, or how to artificially create an intermediate form, are not accessible via computer simulations. Further, even if you would theoretically be able to test any and all hypotheses you can think of, the correct one might still not be among them. (In fact, it is VERY likely that whatever hypothesis you are working on is NOT the EXACTLY correct one - that's why all branches of science are alive and well and ever changing and progressing - because we haven't found THE ONE correct answer for any of them yet [and probably never will] - we are constantly ajdusting, correcting or replacing older models of reality with newer models informed by new evidence... but that's another topic). So, unless you are testing an actual design hypothesis alongside your various evolutionary hypotheses, I don't see how the rejection of any of the evoutionary hypotheses tells you anything about the likelyhood of design.molch
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There are white peafowl in the grounds here, including non-showy white males who manage to mate.Ilion
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molch (#5) You make a number of interesting points. You write:
However, the outcome of such research would not solve the question whether the syrinx was designed. It would tell you whether the specific hypothetical path of evolution you are evaluating is plausible or not and/or if your methods for finding out are appropriate. That's all.
I suppose it comes down to computer processing resources. If you have enough computers simulating enough scenarios, you can cover a pretty wide selection of hypotheses. One of the reasons why I chose the syrinx is because although it is complex, it is not inordinately so; hence the number of steps from its evolutionary antecedent to its most developed form (in the lyrebird) may not be large (perhaps no more than a few dozen). The advent of quantum computing in a few years may simplify the search task even further, and enable scientists to cover many more pathways than they can at present. Finally, it is also possible that we might start with the wrong evolutionary antecedent in our simulation, but embryological studies should help us to make a shrewd guess as to what that antecedent should be.vjtorley
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Heinrich (#2) Thank you for your post. You write:
I wouldn't start with the genes on such a study – I'd start with the anatomy. Just cut the things up and look at the differences... I can't see that an evolutionary story would be that hard to develop: it's only about muscles that can be controlled by nerves.
Good point, and I'm sure the anatomical differences can help us to hypothesize functional intermediates. However, nerves don't appear out of nowhere. There still have to be genes coding for their appearance, and the successive genetic modifications from need to be relatively small, if a Darwinian explanation is to work. So I guess we need a two-track approach: genetic and anatomical.vjtorley
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lars (#1) Here is the paper you were looking for: "Peahens do not prefer peacocks with more elaborate trains" by Mariko Takahashi, Hiroyuki Arita, Mariko Hiraiwa-Hasegawa and Toshikazu Hasegawa. In Animal Behaviour, 75(4), April 2008, 1209-1219. doi:10.1016/j.anbehav.2007.10.004
Abstract: The elaborate train of male Indian peafowl, Pavo cristatus, is thought to have evolved in response to female mate choice and may be an indicator of good genes. The aim of this study was to investigate the role of the male train in mate choice using male- and female-centred observations in a feral population of Indian peafowl in Japan over 7 years. We found no evidence that peahens expressed any preference for peacocks with more elaborate trains (i.e. trains having more ocelli, a more symmetrical arrangement or a greater length), similar to other studies of galliforms showing that females disregard male plumage. Combined with previous results, our findings indicate that the peacock's train (1) is not the universal target of female choice, (2) shows small variance among males across populations and (3) based on current physiological knowledge, does not appear to reliably reflect the male condition. We also found that some behavioural characteristics of peacocks during displays were largely affected by female behaviours and were spuriously correlated with male mating success. Although the male train and its direct display towards females seem necessary for successful reproduction, we conclude that peahens in this population are likely to exercise active choice based on cues other than the peacock's train.
Unfortunately, the article is not available online, but you can find a longer description of the authors' findings here , and a good discussion of the original article in an ARN (Access Research Network) article by David Tyler, entitled, "Sexual selection falsified in the case of peacock feathers" (April 1, 2008) available at http://www.arn.org/blogs/index.php/literature/2008/04/01/sexual_selection_falsified_in_the_case_o . To be fair, however, not everyone agreed with the conclusions reached in Takahashi's article. Dave Wisker wrote a dissenting article, The Peacock's Tale , in the blog, This Week in Evolution. And Adeline Loyau, Marion Petrie, Michel Saint Jalme and Gabriel Sorci published a reply to Takahashi's article, which can be viewed online in its entirety: Do peahens not prefer peacocks with more elaborate trains? in Animal Behaviour, 2008, 76, e5-e9, doi:10.1016/j.anbehav.2008.07.021. Here's a brief excerpt from the first and final paragraphs:
Ever since Darwin (1871), the peacock's train has been cited as the icon of an extravagant conspicuous secondary sexual trait that has evolved through female mate choice. However, Takahashi et al. (2008) recently challenged this idea. They monitored female mate choice during 7 years in a feral peafowl, Pavo cristatus, population in Japan and found no correlation between male mating success and three morphological train traits. They concluded that 'combined with previous results, our findings indicate that the peacock's train is not currently the universal target of female choice' and proposed 'that the peacock's train is an obsolete signal for which female preference has already been lost or weakened' (Takahashi et al. 2008, page 1216). We feel that their conclusions are far too strong, particularly since three independent studies have found a relationship between train features and mating success (Petrie et al. 1991; Petrie & Halliday 1994; Yasmin & Yahya 1996; Loyau et al. 2005a). The purpose of this article is therefore to draw attention to alternative explanations and conclusions that are essential for the understanding of the complexity of mate choice. We first suggest some possible nonadaptive and adaptive explanations for the reported differences in female preferences in the peafowl. We then show that plasticity in mate choice is a widespread phenomenon across a large spectrum of species. Therefore, we suggest that findings based on a single population can be misleading if generalized to the whole species. ..... To conclude, we agree with Takahashi et al. (2008) that it is important to publish negative results, and hopefully further such studies will be published so that a more meaningful meta-analysis can be carried out. However, the failure to detect evidence of mate choice in one study based on a limited array of traits does not mean that females do not prefer males with more elaborate trains. Only a very strict experimental study across several captive and wild populations could demonstrate that. To date, only one study on peafowl mate choice has been done in the wild (Yasmin & Yahya 1996) and, unfortunately, the number of eyespots was not recorded. Further studies of wild populations with natural levels of genetic variation will be particularly useful in extending our understanding of peahen mating preferences.
Personally, I think Takahashi's negative finding exemplifies what Professor Jerry Coyne wrote about in his recent post, The "decline effect": can we demonstrate anything in science? . In his post, Coyne quotes from Jonah Lehrer's article in The New Yorker (December 13, 2010):
The decline effect is troubling because it reminds us how difficult it is to prove anything. We like to pretend that our experiments define the truth for us. But that's often not the case. Just because an idea is true doesn't mean it can be proved. And just because an idea can be proved doesn't mean it's true. When the experiments are done, we still have to choose what to believe. (Emphases mine - VJT.)
Coyne comments:
I tend to agree with Lehrer about studies in my own field of evolutionary biology. Almost no findings are replicated, there's a premium on publishing positive results, and, unlike some other areas, findings in evolutionary biology don't necessarily build on each other: workers usually don't have to repeat other people’s work as a basis for their own. (I'm speaking here mostly of experimental work, not things like studies of transitional fossils.) Ditto for ecology. Yet that doesn’t mean that everything is arbitrary. I'm pretty sure, for instance, that the reason why male interspecific hybrids in Drosophila are sterile while females aren't ("Haldane’s rule") reflects genes whose effects on hybrid sterility are recessive. That's been demonstrated by several workers. And I'm even more sure that humans are more closely related to chimps than to orangutans. Nevertheless, when a single new finding appears, I often find myself wondering if it would stand up if somebody repeated the study, or did it in another species. (Emphasis mine - VJT.)
Coyne goes on to argue that the decline effect does not hold in the fields of physics, chemistry and molecular biology, however. I hope that helps.vjtorley
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"One would also need to identify a plausible evolutionary antecedent for the syrinx – i.e. an organ from which it might have developed – and compare the genes coding for the development of this organ with those coding for the development of the syrinx. Having done that, one would need to identify the genetic (and morphological) changes required in order to arrive at the lyrebird’s syrinx, and evaluate the biological viability of hypothetical intermediate forms. Ideally, one would try to recreate these intermediate forms artificially. That would be the kind of research I’d look for, in order to resolve the question of whether the syrinx was designed, and I see no reason in principle why it couldn’t be done." Sure, that's a really interesting and possible line of research. However, the outcome of such research would not solve the question whether the syrinx was designed. It would tell you whether the specific hypothetical path of evolution you are evaluating is plausible or not and/or if your methods for finding out are appropriate. That's all. If you fail, it would not tell you whether you failed because your methods are not working (e.g. your intermediate forms keep dying, for reasons unrelated to the syrinx), because you have some error in the pathway (e.g. you took a wrong turn in hypothesizing a genetic change), because your pathway starts out at the wrong foot altogether (e.g. you chose the wrong structure for your hypothetical evolutionary antecedent), or because there truly is no evolutionary pathway (because it's designed).molch
December 16, 2010
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Apparently the only support for the sexual selection hypothesis is behind a paywall, where most of us can’t evaluate it.
If you want to read the paper, email the authors and ask for a pdf of the paper. They'll probably send it to you.Heinrich
December 16, 2010
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It's worth quoting from the Why Evolution is True blog post:
This is a marvel of what sexual selection can produce.
It is indeed a marvel, but how do we know that sexual selection produced it? The answer is revealing:
Why would such mimicry evolve in males? A clue is that females don’t mimic. [Apparently they do, but less than males.] One obvious suggestion, then, supported by work published last year in Animal Behaviour [probably this article, but the text is behind a paywall], is that female lyrebirds prefer to mate with those males who are able to mimic the greatest number of species, and to do so with the greatest accuracy. Why would females choose males who can do this? One of the many puzzles of sexual selection, as detailed in my book. We know a bit about why females choose particular traits in some species, but for most species it’s a mystery whose solution would require untold hours of work.
Apparently the only support for the sexual selection hypothesis is behind a paywall, where most of us can't evaluate it. And besides not knowing how such a trait would have evolved, evolutionists really don't know the why either. "Because of sexual selection" is not explanatory if it doesn't say why a female would prefer a mate who's a good mimic. One might as well blame the economy or climate change. It's evolution-of-the-gaps.lars
December 16, 2010
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I wouldn't start with the genes on such a study - I'd start with the anatomy. Just cut the things up and look at the differences. OK, just asked my wife, who has dissected birds. She reckons that it's not the musculature that differences between mimics and other birds, but the wiring of the nerves. I can't see that an evolutionary story would be that hard to develop: it's only about muscles that can be controlled by nerves.Heinrich
December 16, 2010
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Seems like there was some research recently showing that despite wide acceptance in the past, the hypothesis that showy males tended to win more/better mates was not supported by the experimental evidence. But I don't remember the details. Anybody else remember, or am I imagining this? My imagination says the recent research focused on peacocks.lars
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