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		<title>By: JasonTheGreek</title>
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		<dc:creator>JasonTheGreek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just noticed this snippet from Luskin&#039;s &lt;a&gt;new post&lt;/a&gt;:


&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Final Note: Did All Freshmen Have to Attend?
Finally, there have been questions as to whether all freshmen were actually required to attend. UCSD is composed of 6 undergraduate colleges, and one page suggested only students from &quot;Sixth College&quot; had to attend. If that is the case then 1/6 of all freshmen would still have to attend. But the day of the event, the main student website at UCSD, Tritonlink, clearly stated that all UCSD freshmen have to attend. The website read, &quot;All first-quarter freshmen are required to attend the event&quot; (see here for a screen shot). To clear up any ambiguity, I called a friend who knows UCSD students and found that they had confirmed with an undergraduate that PennockÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s lecture was indeed mandatory for all freshmen. That seems to settle this question firmly. 

Perhaps there is the remote chance that both the main UCSD student website and this undergraduate were wrong. Where does this leave us? This doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t change the fact that the main UCSD student website still posted the notice that Ã¢â‚¬Å“All first-quarter freshmen are required to attend the eventÃ¢â‚¬Â (emphasis added). From the reports I have been told, RIMAC, a venue that holds about 5000, was packed with students. I seriously doubt that such a large number of students were dying to attend Pennock&#039;s lecture on a Tuesday night. It still appears that thousands of freshmen attended this ID-bashing lecture, thinking they were required to do so.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just noticed this snippet from Luskin&#8217;s <a>new post</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Final Note: Did All Freshmen Have to Attend?<br />
Finally, there have been questions as to whether all freshmen were actually required to attend. UCSD is composed of 6 undergraduate colleges, and one page suggested only students from &#8220;Sixth College&#8221; had to attend. If that is the case then 1/6 of all freshmen would still have to attend. But the day of the event, the main student website at UCSD, Tritonlink, clearly stated that all UCSD freshmen have to attend. The website read, &#8220;All first-quarter freshmen are required to attend the event&#8221; (see here for a screen shot). To clear up any ambiguity, I called a friend who knows UCSD students and found that they had confirmed with an undergraduate that PennockÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s lecture was indeed mandatory for all freshmen. That seems to settle this question firmly. </p>
<p>Perhaps there is the remote chance that both the main UCSD student website and this undergraduate were wrong. Where does this leave us? This doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t change the fact that the main UCSD student website still posted the notice that Ã¢â‚¬Å“All first-quarter freshmen are required to attend the eventÃ¢â‚¬Â (emphasis added). From the reports I have been told, RIMAC, a venue that holds about 5000, was packed with students. I seriously doubt that such a large number of students were dying to attend Pennock&#8217;s lecture on a Tuesday night. It still appears that thousands of freshmen attended this ID-bashing lecture, thinking they were required to do so.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: JasonTheGreek</title>
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		<dc:creator>JasonTheGreek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Final note for now- notice Moran&#039;s website is named after the path that leads behind Darwin&#039;s house.  Anyone else notice the almost saint-like status ol&#039; Charles gets with some people- especially the hyper-atheists who go out of their way to attack religion and the religious?  

You have to wonder if some of these people have shrines to Charlie in their homes?  Altars maybe?  Big life-sized paintings of him above their fireplaces?  Their beds maybe?  Welcome mats adorned with his photo?  Their love for the man and his ideas is just too weird for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Final note for now- notice Moran&#8217;s website is named after the path that leads behind Darwin&#8217;s house.  Anyone else notice the almost saint-like status ol&#8217; Charles gets with some people- especially the hyper-atheists who go out of their way to attack religion and the religious?  </p>
<p>You have to wonder if some of these people have shrines to Charlie in their homes?  Altars maybe?  Big life-sized paintings of him above their fireplaces?  Their beds maybe?  Welcome mats adorned with his photo?  Their love for the man and his ideas is just too weird for me.</p>
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		<title>By: JasonTheGreek</title>
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		<dc:creator>JasonTheGreek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way- this Larry Moran guy is a joke.  So sad to see our colleges have become playgrounds for name-calling adults who seem to be stuck in childhood.  Notice on his blog how he calls ID supporters &quot;IDiots&quot; (what class from a univ. professor!)

Anyone interested in starting a campaign to boycott his textbooks?  I think it&#039;s about time to demand that professionals act PROFESSIONAL.  Moran is a key example of professionals acting like playground bullies who intimidate others into walking in step with their worldview or else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way- this Larry Moran guy is a joke.  So sad to see our colleges have become playgrounds for name-calling adults who seem to be stuck in childhood.  Notice on his blog how he calls ID supporters &#8220;IDiots&#8221; (what class from a univ. professor!)</p>
<p>Anyone interested in starting a campaign to boycott his textbooks?  I think it&#8217;s about time to demand that professionals act PROFESSIONAL.  Moran is a key example of professionals acting like playground bullies who intimidate others into walking in step with their worldview or else.</p>
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		<title>By: JasonTheGreek</title>
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		<dc:creator>JasonTheGreek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wintermute said:
&quot;You are also correct in verifying that the statement Ã¢â‚¬Å“University of California, San Diego Forces All Freshmen To Attend Anti-ID LectureÃ¢â‚¬Â is wrong.&quot;

Weird.  Nowhere do I see Jehu verifying any such thing.  Maybe that was a comment that somehow got deleted, or maybe he never said what is claimed?  

Culture and art aren&#039;t science related, are they?  I&#039;d tend to think that this is indoctrination, as such a speech would have nothing to do with the majors involved with these departments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wintermute said:<br />
&#8220;You are also correct in verifying that the statement Ã¢â‚¬Å“University of California, San Diego Forces All Freshmen To Attend Anti-ID LectureÃ¢â‚¬Â is wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>Weird.  Nowhere do I see Jehu verifying any such thing.  Maybe that was a comment that somehow got deleted, or maybe he never said what is claimed?  </p>
<p>Culture and art aren&#8217;t science related, are they?  I&#8217;d tend to think that this is indoctrination, as such a speech would have nothing to do with the majors involved with these departments.</p>
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		<title>By: Wintermute</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wintermute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jehu, you are correct that the size of the UCSD freshman class is lower than 21,203.  That was actually the number admitted, not enrolled.  I made a mistake, and I admit it.

You are also correct in verifying that the statement &quot;University of California, San Diego Forces All Freshmen To Attend Anti-ID Lecture&quot; is wrong.

I wonder if Luskin will admit it?  As of now, the web page still contains that gross mistatement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jehu, you are correct that the size of the UCSD freshman class is lower than 21,203.  That was actually the number admitted, not enrolled.  I made a mistake, and I admit it.</p>
<p>You are also correct in verifying that the statement &#8220;University of California, San Diego Forces All Freshmen To Attend Anti-ID Lecture&#8221; is wrong.</p>
<p>I wonder if Luskin will admit it?  As of now, the web page still contains that gross mistatement.</p>
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		<title>By: Jehu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jehu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wintermute,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Ã¢â‚¬Å“University of California, San Diego Forces All Freshmen To Attend Anti-ID LectureÃ¢â‚¬Â

UCSD admitted 21,305 freshmen for the Fall 2006 and Winter 2007 quarters.
http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/newsrel/general/fr_admissions06.asp

If Mr Luskin were correct, thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d be quite a lecture hall.

In other words, he was incorrect. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, it is you who are completely wrong.  UCSD does not have 21,305 incoming freshmen.  That would be a complete joke.  The total student popultation is 26,876.  Is UCSD 80% freshmen?

Secondly, Pennock is not speaking in a lecture hall, he is speaking at RIMAC Arena.   That is where they have basketball games and rock concerts with musicians like Lenny Kravitz.

So you can&#039;t intuitevly know based on the size of the freshman class and the hall that the TritonLink web page is not accurate.  In fact, the event is sponsored by Student Affairs at Sixth College and freshmen taking the culture, art, and technology core curriculum from that college are in fact required to attend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wintermute,</p>
<blockquote><p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“University of California, San Diego Forces All Freshmen To Attend Anti-ID LectureÃ¢â‚¬Â</p>
<p>UCSD admitted 21,305 freshmen for the Fall 2006 and Winter 2007 quarters.<br />
<a href="http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/newsrel/general/fr_admissions06.asp" rel="nofollow">http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/newsr.....ions06.asp</a></p>
<p>If Mr Luskin were correct, thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d be quite a lecture hall.</p>
<p>In other words, he was incorrect. </p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, it is you who are completely wrong.  UCSD does not have 21,305 incoming freshmen.  That would be a complete joke.  The total student popultation is 26,876.  Is UCSD 80% freshmen?</p>
<p>Secondly, Pennock is not speaking in a lecture hall, he is speaking at RIMAC Arena.   That is where they have basketball games and rock concerts with musicians like Lenny Kravitz.</p>
<p>So you can&#8217;t intuitevly know based on the size of the freshman class and the hall that the TritonLink web page is not accurate.  In fact, the event is sponsored by Student Affairs at Sixth College and freshmen taking the culture, art, and technology core curriculum from that college are in fact required to attend.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wintermute, perhaps my memory is going fuzzy but I thought you had been banned previously.  Sorry if that wasn&#039;t the case.  Even if I disagree with a comment I won&#039;t block it as long as the comment is on topic and doesn&#039;t contain any foul language, etc.  If it&#039;s relevant information from a banned user I&#039;ll post the information myself (I did that with the topic where Myers was accused of lying).  So I&#039;m not purposely cherry-picking which comments are allowed through on the basis of content, only on whether the person is banned (which is getting hard to keep track of).

On a side note, the mods are working on a system to keep track of banned users so there won&#039;t be mixups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wintermute, perhaps my memory is going fuzzy but I thought you had been banned previously.  Sorry if that wasn&#8217;t the case.  Even if I disagree with a comment I won&#8217;t block it as long as the comment is on topic and doesn&#8217;t contain any foul language, etc.  If it&#8217;s relevant information from a banned user I&#8217;ll post the information myself (I did that with the topic where Myers was accused of lying).  So I&#8217;m not purposely cherry-picking which comments are allowed through on the basis of content, only on whether the person is banned (which is getting hard to keep track of).</p>
<p>On a side note, the mods are working on a system to keep track of banned users so there won&#8217;t be mixups.</p>
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		<title>By: Mats</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 16:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no other side on this issue. It&#039;s either Darwinian totalism or the dark ages. Any preference? 
......(Silence).....
I thought so!

&quot;Scandalous&quot; Mats</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no other side on this issue. It&#8217;s either Darwinian totalism or the dark ages. Any preference?<br />
&#8230;&#8230;(Silence)&#8230;..<br />
I thought so!</p>
<p>&#8220;Scandalous&#8221; Mats</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 14:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone hears of something like this going on at a New England university please post it. I will do everything that I can to attend. And I will not just sit there and take it.

As for Larry Moran, I posted on his blog and will soon see what he has. Guys like that would have flunked Newton, Galileo and Kepler...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone hears of something like this going on at a New England university please post it. I will do everything that I can to attend. And I will not just sit there and take it.</p>
<p>As for Larry Moran, I posted on his blog and will soon see what he has. Guys like that would have flunked Newton, Galileo and Kepler&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DaveScot</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveScot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick

Oh heck no I didn&#039;t ban Larry.  He&#039;s like having PZ Myers here.  When you get a horse&#039;s &lt;strike&gt;ass&lt;/strike&gt; patoot that big representing the chance worshippers you have to treat him like gold so he doesn&#039;t go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick</p>
<p>Oh heck no I didn&#8217;t ban Larry.  He&#8217;s like having PZ Myers here.  When you get a horse&#8217;s <strike>ass</strike> patoot that big representing the chance worshippers you have to treat him like gold so he doesn&#8217;t go away.</p>
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