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	<title>Comments on: Creationism&#8217;s Reluctance to Enter ID&#8217;s Big Tent</title>
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		<title>By: Benjii</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/creationists-removing-themselves-from-ids-big-tent/comment-page-6/#comment-15783</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuz and Hugh have it wrong.</description>
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		<title>By: William Dembski</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/creationists-removing-themselves-from-ids-big-tent/comment-page-6/#comment-10603</link>
		<dc:creator>William Dembski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2005 04:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid that&#039;s a bit too simple. Read the non-mathematical sections of my paper &quot;Searching Large Spaces&quot; on my website: www.designinference.com.  --WmAD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid that&#8217;s a bit too simple. Read the non-mathematical sections of my paper &#8220;Searching Large Spaces&#8221; on my website: <a href="http://www.designinference.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.designinference.com</a>.  &#8211;WmAD</p>
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		<title>By: Greyshade</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/creationists-removing-themselves-from-ids-big-tent/comment-page-6/#comment-10130</link>
		<dc:creator>Greyshade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Dembski,

thank you for your response.  Unfortunately, as I live and work in Eastern Europe I don&#039;t have a particularly large book budget, and depend a lot on the internet for my learning resources.  

I have read through a number of your articles on the designinference site (instead of buying your book, sorry!), and the answers I have obtained from there are: 

The design process is still ongoing.  
Neo-darwinian evolution is part of the design, but can&#039;t by itself be credited with more complex pieces of design; and can be said to be responsible for micro-evolution and not macro-evolution.  

Does this represent an accurate summary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Dembski,</p>
<p>thank you for your response.  Unfortunately, as I live and work in Eastern Europe I don&#8217;t have a particularly large book budget, and depend a lot on the internet for my learning resources.  </p>
<p>I have read through a number of your articles on the designinference site (instead of buying your book, sorry!), and the answers I have obtained from there are: </p>
<p>The design process is still ongoing.<br />
Neo-darwinian evolution is part of the design, but can&#8217;t by itself be credited with more complex pieces of design; and can be said to be responsible for micro-evolution and not macro-evolution.  </p>
<p>Does this represent an accurate summary?</p>
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		<title>By: DaveScot</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/creationists-removing-themselves-from-ids-big-tent/comment-page-6/#comment-10128</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveScot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More consternation over dark matter?  Say it isn&#039;t so.  Let&#039;s ask Heddle.  Maybe it can all be explained, like dark energy, as a tweak to the cosmological constant fudge factor.  Nothing of interest here, Gump.  Move along.  Modern physics has all the answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More consternation over dark matter?  Say it isn&#8217;t so.  Let&#8217;s ask Heddle.  Maybe it can all be explained, like dark energy, as a tweak to the cosmological constant fudge factor.  Nothing of interest here, Gump.  Move along.  Modern physics has all the answers.</p>
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		<title>By: Gumpngreen</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/creationists-removing-themselves-from-ids-big-tent/comment-page-6/#comment-10059</link>
		<dc:creator>Gumpngreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaveScot and Dr. Heddle,

Thought you guys might find this interesting:

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/051010_dark_matter.html

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20051008/bob9.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaveScot and Dr. Heddle,</p>
<p>Thought you guys might find this interesting:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/051010_dark_matter.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.space.com/scienceas.....atter.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20051008/bob9.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencenews.org/art.....8/bob9.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: dchammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>dchammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://dchammer.blogcollective.com/blog/_archives/2005/10/1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ID and Elvis&lt;/a&gt;. Hope it&#039;s okay that I used your pic. ÃƒÂ´Ã‚Â¿ÃƒÂ´</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, check out <a href="http://dchammer.blogcollective.com/blog/_archives/2005/10/1" rel="nofollow">ID and Elvis</a>. Hope it&#8217;s okay that I used your pic. ÃƒÂ´Ã‚Â¿ÃƒÂ´</p>
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		<title>By: dchammer</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/creationists-removing-themselves-from-ids-big-tent/comment-page-6/#comment-9942</link>
		<dc:creator>dchammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d suggest that you make a distinction between Bible-believing folks who aver that &quot;In the beginning God created,&quot; and the muck-a-mucks who sit at the top to of the heap of the Creationist movement (whether traditional YEC or &quot;new-age&quot; OEC). Most of the former are in the stands (or the pews, I guess), rooting for you all the way.

In the 1970s I began reading most of the major Creationist books, starting with &lt;i&gt;The Genesis Flood&lt;/i&gt;. But I&#039;ve got to tell you, the day I put down Johnson&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Darwin on Trial&lt;/i&gt; -- must have been ten years ago now -- I thanked my God to by alive during the era of history when the Darwinists &quot;got theirs.&quot;

&quot;Whang their arses, Dembski!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d suggest that you make a distinction between Bible-believing folks who aver that &#8220;In the beginning God created,&#8221; and the muck-a-mucks who sit at the top to of the heap of the Creationist movement (whether traditional YEC or &#8220;new-age&#8221; OEC). Most of the former are in the stands (or the pews, I guess), rooting for you all the way.</p>
<p>In the 1970s I began reading most of the major Creationist books, starting with <i>The Genesis Flood</i>. But I&#8217;ve got to tell you, the day I put down Johnson&#8217;s <i>Darwin on Trial</i> &#8212; must have been ten years ago now &#8212; I thanked my God to by alive during the era of history when the Darwinists &#8220;got theirs.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Whang their arses, Dembski!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Benjii</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Higgity, you are just dead wrong when you define science only to &quot;evolutionary explanations.&quot;  Isn&#039;t science the search for the truth?  Shouldn&#039;t it be about the best inference to the best explanation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Higgity, you are just dead wrong when you define science only to &#8220;evolutionary explanations.&#8221;  Isn&#8217;t science the search for the truth?  Shouldn&#8217;t it be about the best inference to the best explanation?</p>
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		<title>By: DaveScot</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveScot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Higgity

It&#039;s rather discouraging that you don&#039;t have sufficient background to understand anything on Stephen J. Gould&#039;s website.  I really don&#039;t think you should be commenting here until you do.  I&#039;m not formally trained in evolutionary biology and I don&#039;t have any trouble at all understanding Gould&#039;s work.  I can only conclude you&#039;re exceedingly wet behind the ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Higgity</p>
<p>It&#8217;s rather discouraging that you don&#8217;t have sufficient background to understand anything on Stephen J. Gould&#8217;s website.  I really don&#8217;t think you should be commenting here until you do.  I&#8217;m not formally trained in evolutionary biology and I don&#8217;t have any trouble at all understanding Gould&#8217;s work.  I can only conclude you&#8217;re exceedingly wet behind the ears.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveScot</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveScot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Higgity

Natural selection as a creative force is DEAD IN THE WATER.  Get used to it.

When one first ventures outside the bounds of neoDarwinian dogma (I hope you read the wiki article so you know what neodarwinism is now) the first bit of wool to fall one&#039;s eyes illuminates the fiction that is the natural selection canon.  One discovers that natural selection is not a creative force in nature and it doesn&#039;t serve to preserve beneficial mutations.  Beneficial mutations, don&#039;t you know, happen as all mutations happen, in a single individual.  These beneficial mutations in individuals are so very, very slight in the rare cases they&#039;re beneficial at all, that their beneficial effect is swamped (lost in the noise) by the normal factors (luck and environment) that determine how many offspring that individual has.  Natural selection is actually a conservative force because when random mutations do happen where it causes a change to a binding site on an enzyme the result is usually disastrous in the short term to the stricken individual&#039;s reproductive success (usually death in the embryonic stage).  

In the interest of furthering your education here are some illuminating facts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage

Pay close attention to prevalence and causes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Higgity</p>
<p>Natural selection as a creative force is DEAD IN THE WATER.  Get used to it.</p>
<p>When one first ventures outside the bounds of neoDarwinian dogma (I hope you read the wiki article so you know what neodarwinism is now) the first bit of wool to fall one&#8217;s eyes illuminates the fiction that is the natural selection canon.  One discovers that natural selection is not a creative force in nature and it doesn&#8217;t serve to preserve beneficial mutations.  Beneficial mutations, don&#8217;t you know, happen as all mutations happen, in a single individual.  These beneficial mutations in individuals are so very, very slight in the rare cases they&#8217;re beneficial at all, that their beneficial effect is swamped (lost in the noise) by the normal factors (luck and environment) that determine how many offspring that individual has.  Natural selection is actually a conservative force because when random mutations do happen where it causes a change to a binding site on an enzyme the result is usually disastrous in the short term to the stricken individual&#8217;s reproductive success (usually death in the embryonic stage).  </p>
<p>In the interest of furthering your education here are some illuminating facts:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage</a></p>
<p>Pay close attention to prevalence and causes.</p>
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