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		<title>By: grendelkhan</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/clutching-at-evolutionary-straws/comment-page-2/#comment-119523</link>
		<dc:creator>grendelkhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 13:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m sure that how rice evolves into corn is an interesting bit of esoteric trivia for botanists&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m sure it would be &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; interesting to discover evidence for rice turning into corn, given that it hasn&#039;t (to my knowledge; please correct me if I&#039;m wrong) been proposed by any actual botanists--the idea is that they&#039;re both descended from the same grass, which may or may not have resembled one of them more than the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m sure that how rice evolves into corn is an interesting bit of esoteric trivia for botanists</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sure it would be <i>very</i> interesting to discover evidence for rice turning into corn, given that it hasn&#8217;t (to my knowledge; please correct me if I&#8217;m wrong) been proposed by any actual botanists&#8211;the idea is that they&#8217;re both descended from the same grass, which may or may not have resembled one of them more than the other.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveScot</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/clutching-at-evolutionary-straws/comment-page-2/#comment-119456</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveScot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michaels7

re plants adapted to the arctic

You sure asked the right person about that.  Scubaredneck is a botanist in Alaska. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michaels7</p>
<p>re plants adapted to the arctic</p>
<p>You sure asked the right person about that.  Scubaredneck is a botanist in Alaska. <img src='http://www.uncommondescent.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Scubaredneck</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/clutching-at-evolutionary-straws/comment-page-1/#comment-119210</link>
		<dc:creator>The Scubaredneck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michaels7,

The trick in the arctic is to grow fast and reproduce quickly. The growing season is very short but very intense due to long days. As a result, both C3 and C4 plants have found niches, although I believe that C3 plants tend to dominate. I don&#039;t think any specific photosynthetic adaptations have been identified for arctic regions, however. That might make for a nice research project...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michaels7,</p>
<p>The trick in the arctic is to grow fast and reproduce quickly. The growing season is very short but very intense due to long days. As a result, both C3 and C4 plants have found niches, although I believe that C3 plants tend to dominate. I don&#8217;t think any specific photosynthetic adaptations have been identified for arctic regions, however. That might make for a nice research project&#8230;</p>
<p>The Scubaredneck</p>
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		<title>By: Michaels7</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/clutching-at-evolutionary-straws/comment-page-1/#comment-118811</link>
		<dc:creator>Michaels7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 05:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scubaredneck,

&quot;Both C4 and CAM are specific adaptations to specific environmental situations: &lt;b&gt;C4 to hot climates&lt;/b&gt; and CAM to arid climates.&quot;

What adaptations for photosynthesis is found in artic regions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scubaredneck,</p>
<p>&#8220;Both C4 and CAM are specific adaptations to specific environmental situations: <b>C4 to hot climates</b> and CAM to arid climates.&#8221;</p>
<p>What adaptations for photosynthesis is found in artic regions?</p>
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		<title>By: DaveScot</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveScot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Markus

I&#039;m not sure what happened.  A third party service &quot;Akismet&quot; is the first reviewer of all comments and trackbacks.  Proprietary software of theirs examines comments and looks for telltale signs of being spam (keywords, suspicious sources, too many links, etc.).  If they think it might be spam they return it with a special tag and it&#039;s placed in a holding cell waiting for a blog adminstrator to make the final determination. For whatever reason the comment in question of yours came back from Akismet marked as spam.  I wish I could tell you why but I don&#039;t know why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Markus</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what happened.  A third party service &#8220;Akismet&#8221; is the first reviewer of all comments and trackbacks.  Proprietary software of theirs examines comments and looks for telltale signs of being spam (keywords, suspicious sources, too many links, etc.).  If they think it might be spam they return it with a special tag and it&#8217;s placed in a holding cell waiting for a blog adminstrator to make the final determination. For whatever reason the comment in question of yours came back from Akismet marked as spam.  I wish I could tell you why but I don&#8217;t know why.</p>
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		<title>By: Markus Rammerstorfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus Rammerstorfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sry for the double-post. But my entry did not appear and so I asked &quot;cristopher saint&quot; if he could post for me. Now I see that my own comment eventually also appeared. Until now it was never a problem for me to publish a comment on this blog. I assume it has something to do with the review process of the comments here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sry for the double-post. But my entry did not appear and so I asked &#8220;cristopher saint&#8221; if he could post for me. Now I see that my own comment eventually also appeared. Until now it was never a problem for me to publish a comment on this blog. I assume it has something to do with the review process of the comments here.</p>
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		<title>By: The Scubaredneck</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Scubaredneck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michaels7,

C3 is definitely the ancestral state of photosynthesis and C4 and CAM are definitely the more derived pathways. Both C4 and CAM are specific adaptations to specific environmental situations: C4 to hot climates and CAM to arid climates. In both cases, C3 plants don&#039;t do well.

Particularly interesting are plants like pineapples, which are facultative CAM plants. When conditions are dry, they do CAM photosynthesis and then do C3 when conditions are wet enough.

The Scubaredneck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michaels7,</p>
<p>C3 is definitely the ancestral state of photosynthesis and C4 and CAM are definitely the more derived pathways. Both C4 and CAM are specific adaptations to specific environmental situations: C4 to hot climates and CAM to arid climates. In both cases, C3 plants don&#8217;t do well.</p>
<p>Particularly interesting are plants like pineapples, which are facultative CAM plants. When conditions are dry, they do CAM photosynthesis and then do C3 when conditions are wet enough.</p>
<p>The Scubaredneck</p>
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		<title>By: Michaels7</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michaels7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points all. 

It is possible that it is C4 that represents the original state of photosynthesis and that C3 is the result of change in environmental pressures? 

Much like all other degredations to the genome, what we see is that optimal design(not perfect) is dragged down by less optimal environmental changes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points all. </p>
<p>It is possible that it is C4 that represents the original state of photosynthesis and that C3 is the result of change in environmental pressures? </p>
<p>Much like all other degredations to the genome, what we see is that optimal design(not perfect) is dragged down by less optimal environmental changes?</p>
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		<title>By: mike1962</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike1962</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Davescot, &quot;the debate...is about how bacteria evolve into rice.&quot;

And how bacteria became bacteria in the first place. I&#039;ll settle for a cell, any cell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davescot, &#8220;the debate&#8230;is about how bacteria evolve into rice.&#8221;</p>
<p>And how bacteria became bacteria in the first place. I&#8217;ll settle for a cell, any cell.</p>
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		<title>By: mentok</title>
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		<dc:creator>mentok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C3 plants are more efficient than C4 plants under cool and moist conditions and under normal light because  they require less machinery (fewer enzymes and no specialized anatomy compared to C4).

C4 plants are more efficient then C3 plants under high heat and light conditions.

From http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/css/330/two/

How is one more perfect then the other?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C3 plants are more efficient than C4 plants under cool and moist conditions and under normal light because  they require less machinery (fewer enzymes and no specialized anatomy compared to C4).</p>
<p>C4 plants are more efficient then C3 plants under high heat and light conditions.</p>
<p>From <a href="http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/css/330/two/" rel="nofollow">http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/css/330/two/</a></p>
<p>How is one more perfect then the other?</p>
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