Comments on: Breaking the Peer-Review Barrier

By: mike1962

mike1962 — Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:44:58 +0000

“Grand Canyon, as another example. In our opinion, such
suggestions are clearly not universal enough, and they
seem to require direct intervention by the Creator during
the evolution of the universe.Ã¢â‚¬Â

I drove through the south Utah desert last month, and the whole time I kept thinking how purposeful those mountain formations look. Like some kind of deliberate extraterrestrial artwork. Very enchanting.

By: Mung

Mung — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 17:04:31 +0000

I think we could cite the paper if we can come up with a disclaimer. Anyone care to come up with some?

By: Bilbo

Bilbo — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 17:01:28 +0000

If you go here:

http://www.iscid.org/boards/ub.....00622.html

I think you’ll see that there is a chance the authors’ paper was inspired by an IDist.

By: idnet.com.au

idnet.com.au — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 11:58:32 +0000

For those interested, the first and final versions and their pdf links are below.

Version 1

http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/physics/0510102v1

We argue that the cosmic microwave background (CMB) provides a stupendous opportunity for the Creator of our universe (assuming one exists) to have sent a message to its occupants, using known physics. The medium for the message is unique. We elaborate on this observation, noting that it requires only careful adjustment of the fundamental Lagrangian, but no direct intervention in the subsequent evolution of the universe.

full pdf version 1

http://xxx.lanl.gov/PS_cache/p.....0102v1.pdf

version 2

http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/physics/0510102v2

We argue that the cosmic microwave background (CMB) provides a stupendous opportunity for the Creator of universe our (assuming one exists) to have sent a message to its occupants, using known physics. Our work does not support the Intelligent Design movement in any way whatsoever, but asks, and attempts to answer, the entirely scientific question of what the medium and message might be IF there was actually a message. The medium for the message is unique. We elaborate on this observation, noting that it requires only careful adjustment of the fundamental Lagrangian, but no direct intervention in the subsequent evolution of the universe.

full pdf version 2

http://xxx.lanl.gov/PS_cache/p.....0102v2.pdf

Final version pdf

http://xxx.lanl.gov/PS_cache/p.....510102.pdf

These are priceless. Will they leave them there where we can trace their evolution so easily?

By: kairos

kairos — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:06:06 +0000

Quite interesting Bill; but now a million dollar question about a paradoxical situation:
Are we allowed to cite this paper as ACTUAL EXAMPLE OF ID PEER-REVIEWED PAPER according to its content and in spite of A MERE STATEMENT?
If the answer is Yes what do you thik will be the reaction of NDE supporters?

In any case, this fact is good news.

Kairos

By: bFast

bFast — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 02:37:57 +0000

DK, “Read the book idiots”.

That’d never work. The Christians, Jews and Muslims would go to war over which book to read. I think a few others would throw their hat into the brawl too.

By: DK

DK — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 01:34:44 +0000

I think if there is a message it would be:

“Read the book idiots.”

By: Bilbo

Bilbo — Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:51:52 +0000

I remember that clever fellow, Jules, over at ISCID, suggesting just such an idea a few years ago. I wonder if he could get any credit for this.

By: zyncod

zyncod — Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:42:16 +0000

From the paper:
“In the United States, people with cer-
tain religious convictions have even imagined that the
message might be encoded in the rock formation of the
Grand Canyon, as another example. In our opinion, such
suggestions are clearly not universal enough, and they
seem to require direct intervention by the Creator during
the evolution of the universe.”

Gee, that sounds like the polar opposite of Intelligent Design, since irreducibly complex structures would *require* the intervention of the Creator during the evolution of the universe. And this was from the first draft of the paper, so I don’t think that the editors forced the authors to put it in there.

By: Collin DuCrÃƒÂ¢ne

Collin DuCrÃƒÂ¢ne — Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:34:14 +0000

Conviction is a wonderful thing, depending on who is doing the convincing.

“We have convinced ourselves that the medium for the
message is unique: it could only be the cosmic microwave
background.”

By the same argument, the medium could also be introns. Any information in the CMB is subject to entropy and is fading.

A probable message to look for might be:

“My love for you will never die.”