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		<title>By: The Honor Of God &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;I am completely bound in inner union with the Lord&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Honor Of God &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;I am completely bound in inner union with the Lord&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] praising.  The University denied tenure to the president of the Evangelical Theological Society, Francis J. Beckwith. A philosopher of international repute, Beckwith was a fierce a critic of abortion&#8211;and one of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] praising.  The University denied tenure to the president of the Evangelical Theological Society, Francis J. Beckwith. A philosopher of international repute, Beckwith was a fierce a critic of abortion&#8211;and one of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SChen24</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/baylor-shafts-beckwith/comment-page-1/#comment-29376</link>
		<dc:creator>SChen24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had initially hoped to learn from Dr. Dembski while I was at Baylor (whether through studying, researching, etc).  Before I even started here (at Baylor) I was informed that such was not going to happen.  As I arrived at Baylor, I had intentions to study under Professor Beckwith in both my majors--philosophy and political science.  Again, I now see such will not happen.  I blogged about this on my blog (http://doubtingdarwin.blogspot.com/2006/03/baylor-university-strikes-against.html).

I closed that blog with these words, which I strong believe about this situation and about Baylor University:

&quot;I am most disappointed at the incredible antagonism and disregard for the truth evident in this university.... I have no kind words for Baylor University and am appalled at what appears to be a university conspiracy against intelligent design and against open dialogue.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had initially hoped to learn from Dr. Dembski while I was at Baylor (whether through studying, researching, etc).  Before I even started here (at Baylor) I was informed that such was not going to happen.  As I arrived at Baylor, I had intentions to study under Professor Beckwith in both my majors&#8211;philosophy and political science.  Again, I now see such will not happen.  I blogged about this on my blog (<a href="http://doubtingdarwin.blogspot.com/2006/03/baylor-university-strikes-against.html" rel="nofollow">http://doubtingdarwin.blogspot.....ainst.html</a>).</p>
<p>I closed that blog with these words, which I strong believe about this situation and about Baylor University:</p>
<p>&#8220;I am most disappointed at the incredible antagonism and disregard for the truth evident in this university&#8230;. I have no kind words for Baylor University and am appalled at what appears to be a university conspiracy against intelligent design and against open dialogue.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: William Dembski</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Dembski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on Beckwith: http://hughhewitt.com/archives/2006/03/26-week/index.php#a001765</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on Beckwith: <a href="http://hughhewitt.com/archives/2006/03/26-week/index.php#a001765" rel="nofollow">http://hughhewitt.com/archives.....hp#a001765</a></p>
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		<title>By: jacktone</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/baylor-shafts-beckwith/comment-page-1/#comment-29235</link>
		<dc:creator>jacktone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>scordova, i guess they paid such a price to acheive the compromise that they feel obligated to defend themselves vehemently. i can relate to the feeling and have even adopted the same attitude, but it sure is better when i just admit that i&#039;m wrong. then there&#039;s hope that i can get back on track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scordova, i guess they paid such a price to acheive the compromise that they feel obligated to defend themselves vehemently. i can relate to the feeling and have even adopted the same attitude, but it sure is better when i just admit that i&#8217;m wrong. then there&#8217;s hope that i can get back on track.</p>
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		<title>By: scordova</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/baylor-shafts-beckwith/comment-page-1/#comment-29218</link>
		<dc:creator>scordova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;ArenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t these the darwinites who shafted Dembski?&quot;

Yes, indeed.  But our man Bill has a sense of humor.  I died laughing when I learned how he handled an otherwise horrible situation.

See: 
http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/530



&lt;blockquote&gt;
Reproter ask Bill:
In spite of that, the Faculty Senate voted overwhelmingly just a few days later to request that the Baylor Administration dissolve the Center....The final two sentences of your press release, which created an immediate uproar, stated: Ã¢â‚¬Å“Dogmatic opponents of design who demanded the Center be shut down have met their Waterloo. Baylor University is to be commended for remaining strong in the face of intolerant assaults on freedom of thought and expression.Ã¢â‚¬Â Looking back on the firestorm that ensued from that press release, do you think you might have been hasty and do you regret the wording? Or do you believe your response was necessary and appropriate?
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Bill Responds:

My Ã¢â‚¬Å“WaterlooÃ¢â‚¬Â comment was meant to underscore the irony, indeed the ridiculousness, of these entire proceedings. Unfortunately, those Baylor faculty who were most eager to shut down the Polanyi Center down were also the most humorless people I have ever met. Rather than seeing the irony and understanding that they had been completely victorious in crushing the Polanyi Center, they agitated still further, thereby compounding the irony. Thus Baylor president Robert Sloan, after shutting down the Polanyi Center, went further and fired me from a center that no longer existed. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I still roll over laughing thinking how Bill exposed what a bunch of idiots were in charge at Baylor.  Bill must hold the world record for keeping his sense of humor in the midst of adversity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;ArenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t these the darwinites who shafted Dembski?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, indeed.  But our man Bill has a sense of humor.  I died laughing when I learned how he handled an otherwise horrible situation.</p>
<p>See:<br />
<a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/530" rel="nofollow">http://www.uncommondescent.com.....chives/530</a></p>
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Reproter ask Bill:<br />
In spite of that, the Faculty Senate voted overwhelmingly just a few days later to request that the Baylor Administration dissolve the Center&#8230;.The final two sentences of your press release, which created an immediate uproar, stated: Ã¢â‚¬Å“Dogmatic opponents of design who demanded the Center be shut down have met their Waterloo. Baylor University is to be commended for remaining strong in the face of intolerant assaults on freedom of thought and expression.Ã¢â‚¬Â Looking back on the firestorm that ensued from that press release, do you think you might have been hasty and do you regret the wording? Or do you believe your response was necessary and appropriate?
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Bill Responds:</p>
<p>My Ã¢â‚¬Å“WaterlooÃ¢â‚¬Â comment was meant to underscore the irony, indeed the ridiculousness, of these entire proceedings. Unfortunately, those Baylor faculty who were most eager to shut down the Polanyi Center down were also the most humorless people I have ever met. Rather than seeing the irony and understanding that they had been completely victorious in crushing the Polanyi Center, they agitated still further, thereby compounding the irony. Thus Baylor president Robert Sloan, after shutting down the Polanyi Center, went further and fired me from a center that no longer existed.
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<p>I still roll over laughing thinking how Bill exposed what a bunch of idiots were in charge at Baylor.  Bill must hold the world record for keeping his sense of humor in the midst of adversity.</p>
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		<title>By: scordova</title>
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		<dc:creator>scordova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What is a little more difficult to understand, at least at first, is the strong support Darwinism continues to receive in the Christian academic world....even at institutions which are generally regarded as conservative in theology.....

the prevailing view among Christian professors has been that Darwinism...is unbeatable&quot;

--Phil Johnson

&quot;The most peculiar reaction is the hostility which I encounter from many professors at Christian colleges and seminaries.  You would be amazed if I gave a list of the evangelical institutions that don&#039;t want me on campus!&quot;   

--Phil Johnson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What is a little more difficult to understand, at least at first, is the strong support Darwinism continues to receive in the Christian academic world&#8230;.even at institutions which are generally regarded as conservative in theology&#8230;..</p>
<p>the prevailing view among Christian professors has been that Darwinism&#8230;is unbeatable&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Phil Johnson</p>
<p>&#8220;The most peculiar reaction is the hostility which I encounter from many professors at Christian colleges and seminaries.  You would be amazed if I gave a list of the evangelical institutions that don&#8217;t want me on campus!&#8221;   </p>
<p>&#8211;Phil Johnson</p>
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		<title>By: mmadigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>mmadigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t these the darwinites who shafted Dembski?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t these the darwinites who shafted Dembski?</p>
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		<title>By: carbon14atom</title>
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		<dc:creator>carbon14atom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is much to be said for formal education, I think it is a good thing to possess. Me bein me though (meaning I know my own propensities well enough) despite my current leanings towards perhaps aquiring one of my own, in many ways I am glad that I remained an untutored savage until now.  Lack of self control and experience, I would have been led by the nose right on over to where I&#039;m glad I ain&#039;t...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is much to be said for formal education, I think it is a good thing to possess. Me bein me though (meaning I know my own propensities well enough) despite my current leanings towards perhaps aquiring one of my own, in many ways I am glad that I remained an untutored savage until now.  Lack of self control and experience, I would have been led by the nose right on over to where I&#8217;m glad I ain&#8217;t&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DaveScot</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveScot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacktone

I qualified that in just about every sentence with &quot;one supposes&quot;, &quot;one presumes&quot;, and &quot;perceived advantage&quot;.  Did I really need to make it explicit with all those qualifications that &quot;one may be gulled&quot; too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacktone</p>
<p>I qualified that in just about every sentence with &#8220;one supposes&#8221;, &#8220;one presumes&#8221;, and &#8220;perceived advantage&#8221;.  Did I really need to make it explicit with all those qualifications that &#8220;one may be gulled&#8221; too?</p>
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		<title>By: jacktone</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacktone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno, Dave, it was in &#039;74 when I was at HSU which certainly would&#039;ve been more wholesome than Baylor. I couldn&#039;t empty the trash from my room because all the cans outside were full of empty beer cans. There were also something on the order of a dozen abortions performed on students per year as well. Not that these numbers were published in the recruiting brochures. This is not to say that the whole student body was corrupt, far from it, there were many dedicated and devout students there. But the sense I had was that the administration at the school was much more determined to get the good ol&#039; Baptists to send their little girls and boys and dollars (not necessarily in that order) than they were in providing any kind of &quot;guardianship&quot; once they were there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno, Dave, it was in &#8217;74 when I was at HSU which certainly would&#8217;ve been more wholesome than Baylor. I couldn&#8217;t empty the trash from my room because all the cans outside were full of empty beer cans. There were also something on the order of a dozen abortions performed on students per year as well. Not that these numbers were published in the recruiting brochures. This is not to say that the whole student body was corrupt, far from it, there were many dedicated and devout students there. But the sense I had was that the administration at the school was much more determined to get the good ol&#8217; Baptists to send their little girls and boys and dollars (not necessarily in that order) than they were in providing any kind of &#8220;guardianship&#8221; once they were there.</p>
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