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		<title>By: cdesignproponentsists</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/baylor-lariat-asks-for-vote-on-intelligent-design/comment-page-2/#comment-150137</link>
		<dc:creator>cdesignproponentsists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to hear about your job, Bill.  I think an institute should be set up that represents the interests of the Intelligent Design movement.  The institute would be run on grants and donations from God-fearing patrons around the world, who are interested in expanding the horizons of scientific research and using intelligent design theories to find a cure to AIDS.  Instead of channeling its money into propaganda, like the atheist mainstream science machine does, this Intelligent Design institute would use grants, donations, and income from book/DVD sales to fund much awaited scientific research into finding the designer.  I personally believe it will not be aliens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to hear about your job, Bill.  I think an institute should be set up that represents the interests of the Intelligent Design movement.  The institute would be run on grants and donations from God-fearing patrons around the world, who are interested in expanding the horizons of scientific research and using intelligent design theories to find a cure to AIDS.  Instead of channeling its money into propaganda, like the atheist mainstream science machine does, this Intelligent Design institute would use grants, donations, and income from book/DVD sales to fund much awaited scientific research into finding the designer.  I personally believe it will not be aliens.</p>
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		<title>By: Galapagos Finch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Galapagos Finch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry.  I meant to say &quot;Us vegans don&#039;t eat perch on Sunday.&quot;

Gloppy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry.  I meant to say &#8220;Us vegans don&#8217;t eat perch on Sunday.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gloppy</p>
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		<title>By: Solon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finch are you a pagan?  i will be praying for you. 

How can darwinism be anything but nihilism?  jesus christ offers us hope and this is the only non-nihilistic way to live.  all else is dust in the wind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finch are you a pagan?  i will be praying for you. </p>
<p>How can darwinism be anything but nihilism?  jesus christ offers us hope and this is the only non-nihilistic way to live.  all else is dust in the wind.</p>
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		<title>By: Galapagos Finch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Galapagos Finch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darwin is looking up from below- and is very very happy.  

Us pagans don&#039;t go to church on Sunday and have a lot more free time to vote. 

As of Sunday afternoon... 

 Prohibit it 		1284
 Encourage it 		1077
 Discourage it 		1005
 Support it 		87

Gloppy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darwin is looking up from below- and is very very happy.  </p>
<p>Us pagans don&#8217;t go to church on Sunday and have a lot more free time to vote. </p>
<p>As of Sunday afternoon&#8230; </p>
<p> Prohibit it 		1284<br />
 Encourage it 		1077<br />
 Discourage it 		1005<br />
 Support it 		87</p>
<p>Gloppy</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Sachs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Sachs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In re: (44)

&lt;blockquote&gt;These would be studies in the fields of psychology and sociology not information theory or biology. What do you think?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Although I have worries similar to many other contributors here about nihilism as a cultural problem, &quot;nihilistic philosophies&quot; have nothing to do with it except as scapegoats.  It used to be Nietzsche and existentialists who were scapegoats for nihilism; now Darwin&#039;s been added.  But they are scapegoats for a complicated social, economic, and political condition whose real causes lie elsewhere.  

This is not to say that ideas don&#039;t matter, but they don&#039;t matter as much as we may think do.  A philosophy is, as I like to think of it, &quot;its own time captured in thought.&quot;  That&#039;s as true of Aristotle as it is of Nietzsche.  In reading Nietzsche, one encounters the problems and challenges of late 19th century European culture as refracted through the prism of a singular consciousness.  (And also sometimes through the prism of what is unconscious.)

So while I agree that nihilism is a problem, I don&#039;t think that evaluating &quot;nihilistic philosophies&quot; will reveal anything about its causes.  If anything, &quot;nihilistic philosophies&quot; -- &lt;i&gt;if there are any&lt;/i&gt; -- are an &lt;i&gt;effect&lt;/i&gt; of nihilism, not a cause. 

Then again, I&#039;m basically a &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory_%28Frankfurt_School%29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;critical theorist&lt;/a&gt;, a social democrat, a Darwinist of some description, and a Jewish atheist.  So please take whatever I say with as many grains of salt as you&#039;d like!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In re: (44)</p>
<blockquote><p>These would be studies in the fields of psychology and sociology not information theory or biology. What do you think?</p></blockquote>
<p>Although I have worries similar to many other contributors here about nihilism as a cultural problem, &#8220;nihilistic philosophies&#8221; have nothing to do with it except as scapegoats.  It used to be Nietzsche and existentialists who were scapegoats for nihilism; now Darwin&#8217;s been added.  But they are scapegoats for a complicated social, economic, and political condition whose real causes lie elsewhere.  </p>
<p>This is not to say that ideas don&#8217;t matter, but they don&#8217;t matter as much as we may think do.  A philosophy is, as I like to think of it, &#8220;its own time captured in thought.&#8221;  That&#8217;s as true of Aristotle as it is of Nietzsche.  In reading Nietzsche, one encounters the problems and challenges of late 19th century European culture as refracted through the prism of a singular consciousness.  (And also sometimes through the prism of what is unconscious.)</p>
<p>So while I agree that nihilism is a problem, I don&#8217;t think that evaluating &#8220;nihilistic philosophies&#8221; will reveal anything about its causes.  If anything, &#8220;nihilistic philosophies&#8221; &#8212; <i>if there are any</i> &#8212; are an <i>effect</i> of nihilism, not a cause. </p>
<p>Then again, I&#8217;m basically a <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory_%28Frankfurt_School%29" rel="nofollow">critical theorist</a>, a social democrat, a Darwinist of some description, and a Jewish atheist.  So please take whatever I say with as many grains of salt as you&#8217;d like!</p>
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		<title>By: bork</title>
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		<dc:creator>bork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the poll has now been linked by PZ.  As I pointed out in post #8, the results would swing- and have.

No belly aching here- science isn&#039;t a popularity contest anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the poll has now been linked by PZ.  As I pointed out in post #8, the results would swing- and have.</p>
<p>No belly aching here- science isn&#8217;t a popularity contest anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Carl Sachs- 

My apologies for misunderstanding your comment.

Thanks for the clarification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Carl Sachs- </p>
<p>My apologies for misunderstanding your comment.</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification.</p>
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		<title>By: William Brookfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Brookfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Solon,

Sorry for spelling your name wrong on the last post. 
I share your concerns wrt materialist nihlism and I agree that the NOVA program was severely biased against ID. I just believe in being respectful toward others at all times. I consider this the best and most effective approach if we are to develop a respect-based society. 

Hi Carl Sachs,

Thankyou for your comments. When I question materialistic nihilism I do so on the basis my study of psychology and sociology both of which are sciences. Maybe what you would like to see is the DI (or some other institute) develop a sister program that studies the effects of nihilistic philosophies on culture. These would be studies in the fields of psychology and sociology not information theory or biology. What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Solon,</p>
<p>Sorry for spelling your name wrong on the last post.<br />
I share your concerns wrt materialist nihlism and I agree that the NOVA program was severely biased against ID. I just believe in being respectful toward others at all times. I consider this the best and most effective approach if we are to develop a respect-based society. </p>
<p>Hi Carl Sachs,</p>
<p>Thankyou for your comments. When I question materialistic nihilism I do so on the basis my study of psychology and sociology both of which are sciences. Maybe what you would like to see is the DI (or some other institute) develop a sister program that studies the effects of nihilistic philosophies on culture. These would be studies in the fields of psychology and sociology not information theory or biology. What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Solon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William

I just watched a few chapters of the NOVA propaganda piece and it should be clear to anyone who is paying attention that this debate is not about the science (if it was, ID would clearly win!!!) but it is about the materialist religion attempting to subvert the public square. 

If we could &#039;share&#039; then ID would be published in scientific journals but the darwinists will do anything they can get away with to prevent that.  They know how precarious their position is!  I hope the next president will make this a priority and stamp out the evil satanic influences of liberal darwinism.  I have children that will be in school soon and I am seriously considering home scholing them to keep them from being indoctrinated with athiest materialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William</p>
<p>I just watched a few chapters of the NOVA propaganda piece and it should be clear to anyone who is paying attention that this debate is not about the science (if it was, ID would clearly win!!!) but it is about the materialist religion attempting to subvert the public square. </p>
<p>If we could &#8216;share&#8217; then ID would be published in scientific journals but the darwinists will do anything they can get away with to prevent that.  They know how precarious their position is!  I hope the next president will make this a priority and stamp out the evil satanic influences of liberal darwinism.  I have children that will be in school soon and I am seriously considering home scholing them to keep them from being indoctrinated with athiest materialism.</p>
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		<title>By: William Brookfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Brookfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 02:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Salon

&lt;b&gt;&quot;I think we should continue hammering the liberals&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

Thankyou for your comments, however I am questioning Darwins theory of &lt;b&gt;science&lt;/b&gt;. I am not taking sides wrt politics (liberal vs republican). I am not sure where I stand politically and I certainly don&#039;t want to start &quot;hammering&quot; myself -- nor to be &quot;hammered&quot; by others. Why can&#039;t we just respectfully share our science and our philosophical thoughts instead of &quot;hammering?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Salon</p>
<p><b>&#8220;I think we should continue hammering the liberals&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Thankyou for your comments, however I am questioning Darwins theory of <b>science</b>. I am not taking sides wrt politics (liberal vs republican). I am not sure where I stand politically and I certainly don&#8217;t want to start &#8220;hammering&#8221; myself &#8212; nor to be &#8220;hammered&#8221; by others. Why can&#8217;t we just respectfully share our science and our philosophical thoughts instead of &#8220;hammering?&#8221;</p>
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