Comments on: Baylor Academic Discrimination Crisis Makes Sunday Front Page of Waco-Trib

By: bornagain77

bornagain77 — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:33:38 +0000

Magnan:
God help our children if America can’t follow the scientific truth to major breakthroughs in science. Maybe our children will end up being the ones sending lead paint toys to China.

By: bornagain77

bornagain77 — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:27:44 +0000

magnan,
I remember this quote:
A Chinese paleontologist lectures around the world saying that recent fossil finds in his country are inconsistent with the Darwinian theory of evolution. His reason: The major animal groups appear abruptly in the rocks over a relatively short time, rather than evolving gradually from a common ancestor as Darwin’s theory predicts. When this conclusion upsets American scientists, he wryly comments: “In China we can criticize Darwin but not the government. In America you can criticize the government but not Darwin.”

Its from a Phillip Johnson paper here:
http://www.junkscience.com/aug99/darwin.htm

By: magnan

magnan — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:45:00 +0000

bornagain77: “If following a failed theory canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t be overcome in America, the rest of the world will surely follow the evidence where it leads and leave the USA in the dust!”

Maybe more truth than fiction – my impression anyway is that orthodoxy rules even more intolerantly in the USA than most other countries.

By: magnan

magnan — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:12:02 +0000

bornagain77: “If throwing money away on false research is what people want to do, it is beyond me. Must people I know would like to see some fruit come from their investment of money!”

This is simplistic. Many governmental funding bodies and academic university organizations tend to follow political rules first, before objectively considering the science (if this is even done at all). What is most important is maintaining bureaucratic empires and influence. Individual investors not personally expert in the area of science and engineering will tend to believe the “experts”. The “experts” have a big stake in maintaining the status quo, reputation, and of course in keeping the money flowing. This of course is a general picture – there are many exceptions.

By: bornagain77

bornagain77 — Sun, 09 Sep 2007 23:28:43 +0000

Magnan,
That’s the second time I heard money brought up. What has the Neo-Darwinism theory done except send geneticists down blind alleys (Sanford Genetic Entropy; 2005). If throwing money away on false research is what people want to do, it is beyond me. Must people I know would like to see some fruit come from their investment of money!
Last time I checked most breakthroughs in science were accomplished when scientists followed the best approximation of reality that science could muster. If following a failed theory can’t be overcome in America, the rest of the world will surely follow the evidence where it leads and leave the USA in the dust!

By: magnan

magnan — Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:40:25 +0000

bornagain77, I doubt it. This probably boils down mostly to academic politics and the fear of loss of reputation and donational money. The science doesn’t have much to do with it.

By: bornagain77

bornagain77 — Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:06:16 +0000

Something tells me the heat is about to turn up in the university’s administrative office! Maybe now the President will actually take the time to talk to Dr. Marks and learn a thing or two about the hard science behind ID, the hard science he apparently knows nothing about and was so quick to condemn in the first place!