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		<title>By: MEDIA COVERAGE: Baylor, Robert Marks, and the Evolutionary Informatics Lab &#124; Uncommon Descent</title>
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		<dc:creator>MEDIA COVERAGE: Baylor, Robert Marks, and the Evolutionary Informatics Lab &#124; Uncommon Descent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] September 1, 2007: &#8220;Baptist University pulls plug on Evolutionary Informatics Lab - links to intelligent design fatal&#8221; &#8212; Denyse O&#8217;Leary breaks the story here at UD.     These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] September 1, 2007: &#8220;Baptist University pulls plug on Evolutionary Informatics Lab &#8211; links to intelligent design fatal&#8221; &#8212; Denyse O&#8217;Leary breaks the story here at UD.     These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>procyon,

It&#039;s fairly difficult to do research without a financial grant...

But for what Dr. Marks was researching, read this:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/casey-luskin-interviews-robert-marks-director-of-baylors-evolutionary-informatics-lab/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>procyon,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fairly difficult to do research without a financial grant&#8230;</p>
<p>But for what Dr. Marks was researching, read this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/casey-luskin-interviews-robert-marks-director-of-baylors-evolutionary-informatics-lab/" rel="nofollow">http://www.uncommondescent.com.....atics-lab/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chemfarmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chemfarmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 01:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear &quot;The Fork&quot;- you wrote:

&quot;There has been a struggle for the very heart and soul of Baylor for many years now, but so many battles have been won that it is wrong to drag BaylorÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s name through the mud when unfortunate episodes such as this one occurs.&quot;

What kind of battles have been won, would you say?  That is, what battles for Christian identity (or related to it) at the risk of losing some secular respectability have there been?  I ask as a long-term insider, so specifics would be appreciated.  I can think of some examples to the contrary (like this one) but am having trouble coming up with ones that fit your statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear &#8220;The Fork&#8221;- you wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;There has been a struggle for the very heart and soul of Baylor for many years now, but so many battles have been won that it is wrong to drag BaylorÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s name through the mud when unfortunate episodes such as this one occurs.&#8221;</p>
<p>What kind of battles have been won, would you say?  That is, what battles for Christian identity (or related to it) at the risk of losing some secular respectability have there been?  I ask as a long-term insider, so specifics would be appreciated.  I can think of some examples to the contrary (like this one) but am having trouble coming up with ones that fit your statement.</p>
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		<title>By: procyon</title>
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		<dc:creator>procyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that Dr. Marks is a well published electrical engineer, however I would assume that anyone searching for design in Nature would need some expertise in biology. Am I missing something? What has Dr. Marks published about ID that is available to read. What aspect of ID is he working on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that Dr. Marks is a well published electrical engineer, however I would assume that anyone searching for design in Nature would need some expertise in biology. Am I missing something? What has Dr. Marks published about ID that is available to read. What aspect of ID is he working on?</p>
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		<title>By: John316</title>
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		<dc:creator>John316</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why doesn&#039;t Marks just put his stuff on the Discovery Institute website instead and avoid all that hassle?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why doesn&#8217;t Marks just put his stuff on the Discovery Institute website instead and avoid all that hassle?</p>
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		<title>By: GilDodgen</title>
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		<dc:creator>GilDodgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 02:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;*It has been known since the 1960s that the evidence from mathematical probability will not sustain Darwinism. Mike Behe&#039;s Edge of Evolution follows up on that, using the evidence from biochemistry.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes Denyse, and this is trivially easy to figure out if one has even the most superficial acquaintance with the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/writing-computer-programs-by-random-mutation-and-natural-selection/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;power of combinatorics&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s junior high school mathematics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>*It has been known since the 1960s that the evidence from mathematical probability will not sustain Darwinism. Mike Behe&#8217;s Edge of Evolution follows up on that, using the evidence from biochemistry.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes Denyse, and this is trivially easy to figure out if one has even the most superficial acquaintance with the <a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/writing-computer-programs-by-random-mutation-and-natural-selection/" rel="nofollow">power of combinatorics</a>. It&#8217;s junior high school mathematics.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveScot</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveScot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 00:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Could be another scene to add into the movie Ã¢â‚¬ËœExpelledÃ¢â‚¬â„¢.&lt;/i&gt;

As Archie Bunker famously said, &quot;my sediments exactly&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Could be another scene to add into the movie Ã¢â‚¬ËœExpelledÃ¢â‚¬â„¢.</i></p>
<p>As Archie Bunker famously said, &#8220;my sediments exactly&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: JGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>JGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could be another scene to add into the movie &#039;Expelled&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could be another scene to add into the movie &#8216;Expelled&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: O'Leary</title>
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		<dc:creator>O'Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 11:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; ... will R. Marks maintaint the site end will be allowed to mange it freely?&quot;

Kairos, in my experience, that almost never happens without rock solid guarantees from people who are consistent in their behaviour.

What if Marks sneaks a paper into a journal, pointing out some of the difficulties with the ol&#039; Darwinian magic - and a huge Smithsonian-style controversy erupts? 

Won&#039;t Christian Darwinbots point to that as evidence that Marks should never have been allowed in anyway? And if they can&#039;t get rid of him, they can at least do their very best to suppress his research.

It is very difficult for many people to accept that a contemporary truism* may not in fact be true, especially if accommodating it - in the teeth of their own culture! - has turned out to be a waste of time. 

That said, it&#039;s possible that wiser heads will prevail, but perhaps not by a head count. 

*It has been known since the 1960s that the evidence from mathematical probability will not sustain Darwinism. Mike Behe&#039;s Edge of Evolution follows up on that, using the evidence from biochemistry. 

Darwinism has always been a materialist faith commitment.  Those of us who already have a religion do not need it and could dispense with it with no trouble.  Granted that biology does not have a grand unifying theory, well, neither does physics. So? Pretending and suppressing will not help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; &#8230; will R. Marks maintaint the site end will be allowed to mange it freely?&#8221;</p>
<p>Kairos, in my experience, that almost never happens without rock solid guarantees from people who are consistent in their behaviour.</p>
<p>What if Marks sneaks a paper into a journal, pointing out some of the difficulties with the ol&#8217; Darwinian magic &#8211; and a huge Smithsonian-style controversy erupts? </p>
<p>Won&#8217;t Christian Darwinbots point to that as evidence that Marks should never have been allowed in anyway? And if they can&#8217;t get rid of him, they can at least do their very best to suppress his research.</p>
<p>It is very difficult for many people to accept that a contemporary truism* may not in fact be true, especially if accommodating it &#8211; in the teeth of their own culture! &#8211; has turned out to be a waste of time. </p>
<p>That said, it&#8217;s possible that wiser heads will prevail, but perhaps not by a head count. </p>
<p>*It has been known since the 1960s that the evidence from mathematical probability will not sustain Darwinism. Mike Behe&#8217;s Edge of Evolution follows up on that, using the evidence from biochemistry. </p>
<p>Darwinism has always been a materialist faith commitment.  Those of us who already have a religion do not need it and could dispense with it with no trouble.  Granted that biology does not have a grand unifying theory, well, neither does physics. So? Pretending and suppressing will not help.</p>
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		<title>By: kairos</title>
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		<dc:creator>kairos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 10:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A question. Provided that the requested disclaimer is inserted will R. Marks maintaint the site end will be allowed to mange it freely?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question. Provided that the requested disclaimer is inserted will R. Marks maintaint the site end will be allowed to mange it freely?</p>
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