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If we go by the Turkish site Göbekli Tepe:

The immense complex, which predates Stonehenge by about seven thousand years, has cast doubt on the conventional view that agriculture produced cities, suggesting instead that religion did. We have no idea, of course, what the religion that called forth such a massive long-lasting effort was — not its cosmology, nor its teachings, nor its organization. We only know that no one lived at the site (no water or evidence of cooking).

One enterprising suggestion was proposed by an astronomer in 2013, that the builders were motivated by the sudden appearance of Sirius, the dog star, as a result of one of Earth’s periodic millennial wobbles:

Today, Sirius can be seen almost worldwide as the brightest star in the sky — excluding the sun — and the fourth brightest night-sky object after the moon, Venus and Jupiter. Sirius is so noticeable that its rising and setting was used as the basis for the ancient Egyptian calendar, says [Giulio] Magli. At the latitude of Göbekli Tepe, Sirius would have been below the horizon until around 9300 BC, when it would have suddenly popped into view.

But wait, why was any human looking for such a “sign” from heaven? The bonobos and the chimpanzees could see the same star. And with what result?

Whatever these unknown people saw or sensed, many consumed much of their lives celebrating and memorializing it.

 More. More.

Chimpanzees and bonobos somehow failed to answer the call. Hey, meaningless bug. Move on.

Or?

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Humbled: "People have not become less religious in the west Acartia_bogart, people have simply converted from one religion, Christianity, to the state religion, Darwinism. It is interesting that with this shift an increase in irrational belief, ghosts, zombies etc, has been documented too." Unlike the completely rational belief in angels, burning bushes, virgin births, turning people into pillars of salt, etc.? It would just be easier for us to agree that people can be very irrational beings, regardless of religious belief. "The decrease in violent crime is obviously as a result of improved policing, better technology, cctv etc and a wide range of additional factors such as better access to education, medicine, treatment, support etc." How does improved policing, etc. reduce violent crime without increasing the rate of arrests for violent crimes? Both the reporting of these crimes and arrests for them has been decreasing. "My personal fear is that as society shifts its thinking, history is to repeat itself again and millions more will be made to suffer at the hands of another atheist nut job. " I must assume that you are referring to people like Hitler and Stalin. Yes, there is little doubt that Stalin was an atheist, but there is no evidence that Hitler was. At worst, you can only refer to him as a very bad Christian. Regardless, all of these horrors were carried out by others, many of them (if not most) considered themselves Christian (again, very bad Christians). The only thing that has really changed is that it is now acceptable to openly live your life without paying lip service to a religion. I would think that churches would much prefer a smaller congregation who strongly believe in the teachings rather than a large congregation half full of non-believers who attend simply because it was socially unacceptable not to attend.Acartia_bogart
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Göbekli Tepe, discovered in southeastern Turkey in 1994, and dating from about 11,500 years ago,
there are a couple of interesting points here. First, the 'geographic center of the earth' is very near this site, The Center of the Earth by Henry Morris, Ph.D. Excerpt: The problem is basically to determine that point on the earth’s surface, the average distance from which to all other points on the earth’s land surfaces is a minimum. This point is defined as the earth’s geographical center. (1) Divide all the earth’s land areas into small, equal, unit areas. (2) Select one of these unit areas as a possible location of the earth’s center. (3) Measure the distance along the earth’s surface from this reference area to each of the other unit areas, all over the earth. (4) Add up all these distances and divide the total by the number of individual distances measured. The result is the average distance from the reference area to all the other unit areas around the world. (5) Repeat the entire process in steps (1) through (4) above for each one of all the other unit areas around the world. (6) Compare the "average distances" so calculated for all the different unit areas. The one for which the average distance turns out to be the smallest is the earth’s geographical center. Actually, the calculation becomes feasible only if it can be programmed on a high speed computer. To accomplish the latter requires a knowledge of spherical trigonometry, geodesy, calculus, and computer science. In addition, there must be available accurate data on the earth’s land and water areas, arranged in a grid network tied to latitude and longitude. With these factors present, the computation then becomes quite feasible. RESULTS ,,, The exact center of the earth, insofar as Mr. Woods’ calculations could determine, was found to be near Ankara, the present capital of Turkey, at latitude 39° and longitude 34°, on the same latitude as Mount Ararat and essentially the same longitude as Jerusalem.,,, http://www.icr.org/article/50/ Moreover, the is the area where Noah's Ark is said to have come to rest: Arch Bonnema - 'Possible' Petrified Noah's Ark Remains - video http://vimeo.com/23641811 Google map image of the Turkey-Iran border area: http://www.noahsarksearch.com/UrartuMap2.jpg Moreover, the 11,500 year old date for the temple roughly corresponds to when catastrophic world-wide mega-flooding ceased: Humanpast.net Excerpt: Worldwide, we know that the period of 14,000 to 13,000 years ago, which coincides with the peak of abundant monsoonal rains over India, was marked by violent oceanic flooding - in fact, the first of the three great episodes of global superfloods that dominated the meltdown of the Ice Age. The flooding was fed not merely by rain but by the cataclysmic synchronous collapse of large ice-masses on several different continents and by gigantic inundations of meltwater pouring down river systems into the oceans. (124) What happened, at around 13,000 years ago, was that the long period of uninterrupted warming that the world had just passed through (and that had greatly intensified, according to some studies, between 15,000 years ago and 13,000 years ago) was instantly brought to a halt - all at once, everywhere - by a global cold event known to palaeo climatologists as the 'Younger Dryas' or 'Dryas III'. In many ways mysterious and unexplained, this was an almost unbelievably fast climatic reversion - from conditions that are calculated to have been warmer and wetter than today's 13,000 years ago, to conditions that were colder and drier than those at the Last Glacial Maximum, not much more than a thousand years later. From that moment, around 12,800 years ago, it was as though an enchantment of ice had gripped the earth. In many areas that had been approaching terminal meltdown full glacial conditions were restored with breathtaking rapidity and all the gains that had been made since the LGM were simply stripped away…(124) A great, sudden extinction took place on the planet, perhaps as recently as 11,500 years ago (usually attributed to the end of that last ice age), in which hundreds of mammal and plant species disappeared from the face of the earth, driven into deep caverns and charred muck piles the world over. Modern science, with all its powers and prejudices, has been unable to adequately explain this event. (83) http://humanpast.net/environment/environment11k.htm Further assorted notes on Global Flooding 13,000 years before present: Various Catastrophic Mega-Floods 13,000 years before present from around the world https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sXjqFo9osUO4pWfxsx3Brb565KvqfVIaP1vtDGa95tg/edit And, at around the 6:00 minute mark of the following video, we find that the first ‘advanced’ human civilization, (with the oldest archeological evidence of metallurgy, agriculture, wine making, etc…), flourished near, or at, this Ankara area, Tracing your Ancestors through History - Paul James-Griffiths http://edinburghcreationgroup.org/video/1 Ankara Excerpt: Centrally located in Anatolia, Ankara is an important commercial and industrial city. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankarabornagain77
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as to a supposed decrease in violent crime. Driven by Stalin and Mao's atheistic utopias, the 20th century was, by far, the bloodiest century of man's history: Chairman MAO: Genocide Master “…Many scholars and commentators have referenced my total of 174,000,000 for the democide (genocide and mass murder) of the last century. I’m now trying to get word out that I’ve had to make a major revision in my total due to two books. I’m now convinced that that Stalin exceeded Hitler in monstrous evil, and Mao beat out Stalin….” http://wadias.in/site/arzan/blog/chairman-mao-genocide-master/ podcast - "David Berlinski: Is Human Nature Improving? Pt. 1" (Critique of Singer's book) http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/entry/2013-12-20T15_07_39-08_00 Steve Pinker’s bogus statistics (against Christianity being a force for good in the world): - August 2013 Q: Is religion responsible for more violent deaths than any other cause? A: No, of course not — unless you define religion so broadly as to be meaningless. Just take the four deadliest events of the 20th Century — Two World Wars, Red China and the Soviet Union — no religious motivation there, unless you consider every belief system to be a religion. https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/steve-pinkers-bogus-statistics-a-critique-of-the-better-angels-of-our-nature-part-one/ Closer to home: United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2010 (Please note the skyrocketing crime rate from 1963, the year prayer was removed from school, thru 1980, the year the steep climb in crime rate finally leveled off.) of note: The slight decline in crime rate from the mid 90s until now is attributed in large part to tougher enforcement on minor crimes. (a nip it in the bud policy) http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htmbornagain77
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"Evidence simply does not support this. Religion has been on the decline in western countries for the last few decades." People have not become less religious in the west Acartia_bogart, people have simply converted from one religion, Christianity, to the state religion, Darwinism. It is interesting that with this shift an increase in irrational belief, ghosts, zombies etc, has been documented too. The decrease in violent crime is obviously as a result of improved policing, better technology, cctv etc and a wide range of additional factors such as better access to education, medicine, treatment, support etc. The shift from Christianity to Darwinism has had a detrimental effect on our society as well as the mental health of our children. My personal fear is that as society shifts its thinking, history is to repeat itself again and millions more will be made to suffer at the hands of another atheist nut job. History and the evidence shows how dangerous, not too mention the enormous loss of human life, atheism has, and will, inflict on humankind.humbled
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Idnet: I agree with much of what you have said with the exception of: "That is one reason why it is silly for governments to try to undermine religion. They will need to spend much more on policing." Evidence simply does not support this. Religion has been on the decline in western countries for the last few decades. At the same time, violent crimes have also been on the decline.Acartia_bogart
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What enables humans to cooperate in a flexible way in large numbers? This is a basic question about becoming human as we know it. We are the only species who do this. We do not do it by instinct and chimps can only work with groups just over 100 max. It seems that the answer to this question is the stories we tell each other and believe. Money is an example of a story we tell each other and believe. It is in fact the one story that almost unifies the world today. Yet money is a fiction. We only need to see what happened in Germany at the end of the war or in Zimbabwe more recently to realize that money is a story that must be believed to work. Religion is also a story that can be powerful in uniting people in a flexible way. All religions function in this way with greater or lesser success. The Buddhist story works quite well in Thailand. In the English speaking world Christianity works well. Religion and stories do not have to be true to work, but for them to be large they must be believable and confer some social benefit. As modern societies try to exorcise religion and stories from their world they will break down the cohesion that religion and stories accomplish. That is one reason why it is silly for governments to try to undermine religion. They will need to spend much more on policing.idnet.com.au
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First thing that jumped out at me is that this site is near the Mountians of Ararat, and roughly an approximation of a migration area from there to Sumeria. Some really remarkable relief carvings. Really very nice.Jehu
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How, exactly, is evidence that religion is extremely old, evidence that religion is the best explanation for human origin? Nobody is arguing that ancient religious beliefs were not critical in how human societies developed. Even an examination of recent history will show that religion plays a significant role, for both good and bad. But that does not explain the origin of humans. Chimps and bonobos did not develop formalized religion, but that does not mean that they do not have rituals that are common to the members in a tribe. How religions developed and whether they have an adaptive value is anyone's guess. There are many theories. One being that the evolution of the brain and its inquisitiveness, clearly an adaptive advantage, would almost necessitate the formation of religion. The human brain wants to understand how things work. Which is a very good survival tool. And what is religion if not an attempt to explain what is not understood? In short, it is possible that religion is simply riding piggy-back on a very important adaptation. And, even an atheist would admit that religion itself may have an adaptive advantage.Acartia_bogart
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