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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW are the experiments with fruit flies in which the fruit fly developed an extra pair of wings also evidence for macroevolution?

How about the fruit fly with a leg for an antennae?

If we go by the absurd claims of evolutionists then both would be evidence for macroevolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW are the experiments with fruit flies in which the fruit fly developed an extra pair of wings also evidence for macroevolution?</p>
<p>How about the fruit fly with a leg for an antennae?</p>
<p>If we go by the absurd claims of evolutionists then both would be evidence for macroevolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ohyes-

Two simultaneous and specified mutations occurring naturally?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.genetics.org/cgi/content/full/180/3/1501&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Waiting for Two Mutations: With Applications to Regulatory Sequence Evolution and the Limits of Darwinian Evolution&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Not likely.

However perhaps someone could plant thousands or even millions of these plants and see what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ohyes-</p>
<p>Two simultaneous and specified mutations occurring naturally?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.genetics.org/cgi/content/full/180/3/1501" rel="nofollow"><b>Waiting for Two Mutations: With Applications to Regulatory Sequence Evolution and the Limits of Darwinian Evolution</b></a></p>
<p>Not likely.</p>
<p>However perhaps someone could plant thousands or even millions of these plants and see what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: ohyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>ohyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 10:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joseph:&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;IOW nothing natural about the process.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
i am not a scientist, but isn&#039;t that how all experiment are carried out? do you think this process could not have happened naturally?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joseph:<br />
<blockquote cite="">IOW nothing natural about the process.</p></blockquote>
<p>i am not a scientist, but isn&#8217;t that how all experiment are carried out? do you think this process could not have happened naturally?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melzer S, Lens F, Gennen J, Vanneste S, Rohde A, Beeckman T. 2008. Flowering-time genes modulate meristem determinacy and growth form in Arabidopsis thaliana. Nature Genetics, published online: 9 November 2008-

Art Hunt sez the following:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Melzer et al. constructed double mutants deficient in the expression of these two proteins, with the intent of understanding the physiological significance of interactions between these two proteins, associations discovered using the so-called yeast two-hybrid assay.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

IOW nothing natural about the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melzer S, Lens F, Gennen J, Vanneste S, Rohde A, Beeckman T. 2008. Flowering-time genes modulate meristem determinacy and growth form in Arabidopsis thaliana. Nature Genetics, published online: 9 November 2008-</p>
<p>Art Hunt sez the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>Melzer et al. constructed double mutants deficient in the expression of these two proteins, with the intent of understanding the physiological significance of interactions between these two proteins, associations discovered using the so-called yeast two-hybrid assay.</p></blockquote>
<p>IOW nothing natural about the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1- The transitionals exist in the minds of those who need them

2- There isn&#039;t any genetic evidence to demonstrate the transformations are possible

3- The plant thing has been explained.

I can&#039;t help it if you refuse to understand the explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1- The transitionals exist in the minds of those who need them</p>
<p>2- There isn&#8217;t any genetic evidence to demonstrate the transformations are possible</p>
<p>3- The plant thing has been explained.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help it if you refuse to understand the explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Lenoxus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lenoxus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nakashima — that&#039;s fine, I think I might actually like it better! On another website, people have called me &quot;Leno&quot; for short (and I&#039;m not much of a Jay Leno fan); &quot;Leono&quot; sounds cooler… :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nakashima — that&#8217;s fine, I think I might actually like it better! On another website, people have called me &#8220;Leno&#8221; for short (and I&#8217;m not much of a Jay Leno fan); &#8220;Leono&#8221; sounds cooler… <img src='http://www.uncommondescent.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nakashima</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nakashima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please excuse me for misspelling your name!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please excuse me for misspelling your name!</p>
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		<title>By: Nakashima</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nakashima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Leonoxus,

What is really amusing is that when you _start_ with the genetic evidence, such as the switch to woody perennial from annual in a plant, then the discussion becomes about something else. But you are correct, Mr Joseph&#039;s default comeback to fossil evidence is a demand for genetic evidence of the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Leonoxus,</p>
<p>What is really amusing is that when you _start_ with the genetic evidence, such as the switch to woody perennial from annual in a plant, then the discussion becomes about something else. But you are correct, Mr Joseph&#8217;s default comeback to fossil evidence is a demand for genetic evidence of the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Lenoxus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lenoxus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph:&lt;blockquote&gt;What is the genetic data which demonstrates such a transition- from fish to tetrapod- is even possible?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Something just occurred to me in reading this. It&#039;s this: when it comes to debates, evolution&#039;s curse is its details. The theory is so immensely detailed in terms of evidence that there&#039;s always another pathway to attack it on. One it&#039;s been demonstrated beyond a doubt that the Tiktaalik &lt;i&gt;fossil&lt;/i&gt; is intermediary, you can ask for the genetic evidence (never mind, of course, that obviously no extinct &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishapod&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fishapod&lt;/a&gt; specimen has surviving DNA).

My own brief web-research prompted by that question suggests that there are plenty of studies analyzing the genetic divergence between fish and tetrapods. (You&#039;ll like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uchospitals.edu/news/2007/20070524-hoxgene.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one,&lt;/a&gt; as it relates to front-loading.) No studies, however, appear to examine the question of whether the transition is &quot;possible&quot;. This is likely because very few people are raising the question. The question is kind of silly, given the fossil evidence of intermediaries, indicating that such a transition almost certainly happened. (Not to mention the morphological similarities between the relevant limbs, etc.) The only real question at this point is, which environmental factors spurred the selection for these limbs? There are plenty of different hypotheses out there, and perhaps one of them, thanks to the advantage of evidence, will win out in our lifetimes.

Compare this to the following question: &lt;i&gt;What is the data which demonstrates such a transition- from fish to tetrapod- is even possible for the designer to bring about?&lt;/i&gt; I&#039;m being silly, because we all know that &lt;i&gt;anything&lt;/i&gt; is possible for the designer. This saves you, I think, from the obligation of having to give an answer. I could very well ask that same question of every major evolutionary transition, but that would be wasting time.

&lt;blockquote&gt;you guys seem to think that science is done via imagination and promissory notes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Whereas intelligent design…?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph:<br />
<blockquote>What is the genetic data which demonstrates such a transition- from fish to tetrapod- is even possible?</p></blockquote>
<p>Something just occurred to me in reading this. It&#8217;s this: when it comes to debates, evolution&#8217;s curse is its details. The theory is so immensely detailed in terms of evidence that there&#8217;s always another pathway to attack it on. One it&#8217;s been demonstrated beyond a doubt that the Tiktaalik <i>fossil</i> is intermediary, you can ask for the genetic evidence (never mind, of course, that obviously no extinct <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishapod" rel="nofollow">fishapod</a> specimen has surviving DNA).</p>
<p>My own brief web-research prompted by that question suggests that there are plenty of studies analyzing the genetic divergence between fish and tetrapods. (You&#8217;ll like <a href="http://www.uchospitals.edu/news/2007/20070524-hoxgene.html" rel="nofollow">this one,</a> as it relates to front-loading.) No studies, however, appear to examine the question of whether the transition is &#8220;possible&#8221;. This is likely because very few people are raising the question. The question is kind of silly, given the fossil evidence of intermediaries, indicating that such a transition almost certainly happened. (Not to mention the morphological similarities between the relevant limbs, etc.) The only real question at this point is, which environmental factors spurred the selection for these limbs? There are plenty of different hypotheses out there, and perhaps one of them, thanks to the advantage of evidence, will win out in our lifetimes.</p>
<p>Compare this to the following question: <i>What is the data which demonstrates such a transition- from fish to tetrapod- is even possible for the designer to bring about?</i> I&#8217;m being silly, because we all know that <i>anything</i> is possible for the designer. This saves you, I think, from the obligation of having to give an answer. I could very well ask that same question of every major evolutionary transition, but that would be wasting time.</p>
<blockquote><p>you guys seem to think that science is done via imagination and promissory notes.</p></blockquote>
<p>Whereas intelligent design…?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the genetic data which demonstrates such a transition- from fish to tetrapod- is even possible?

Also the vast majority (&gt;95%) of the fossil record is of marine inverts- which is to be expected given what we know about the fossilization process.

Yet in that vast majority evidence for universal common descent is missing.

IOW you guys seem to think that science is done via imagination and promissory notes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the genetic data which demonstrates such a transition- from fish to tetrapod- is even possible?</p>
<p>Also the vast majority (&gt;95%) of the fossil record is of marine inverts- which is to be expected given what we know about the fossilization process.</p>
<p>Yet in that vast majority evidence for universal common descent is missing.</p>
<p>IOW you guys seem to think that science is done via imagination and promissory notes.</p>
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