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		<title>By: Flavius Id</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/global-warming/climategate/comment-page-2/#comment-340969</link>
		<dc:creator>Flavius Id</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, datcg, but I&#039;m afraid those aren&#039;t the groups I was talking about.  My point is that if the private emails of the moderators of this blog were ever exposed to the public en masse, it would cause irreparable damage to their side of the issues.  With that in mind, I don&#039;t think they should be quite so quick to push the juicy quotes of others.  

In other words, be careful, my friends, what you want exposed to the light of day.  You may be the one whom some hacker exposes on the morrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, datcg, but I&#8217;m afraid those aren&#8217;t the groups I was talking about.  My point is that if the private emails of the moderators of this blog were ever exposed to the public en masse, it would cause irreparable damage to their side of the issues.  With that in mind, I don&#8217;t think they should be quite so quick to push the juicy quotes of others.  </p>
<p>In other words, be careful, my friends, what you want exposed to the light of day.  You may be the one whom some hacker exposes on the morrow.</p>
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		<title>By: DATCG</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/global-warming/climategate/comment-page-2/#comment-340945</link>
		<dc:creator>DATCG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flavius,

lol... 

the far left is way ahead of the game. Most hackers are left of center. They&#039;ve been hacking things like this for a long time.

In fact, I suspect it was hackers on the left that did this. It just so happens they were on a different team on the left this time. 

But, I&#039;m all for it Flavious, Oh, lets do let the emails come out from Obama, SEIU, ACORN, Workers Party, Obama&#039;s puppet master and convicted criminal George Soros, Open Society, DailyKos, MoveOn.org, and all the other corrupt scum in  this nation, like criminal Rezko and Jarrett, etc.  That were involved with land deals and failed publich housing projects in Chicago.

Yes, lets look inside the war machine of the far left kooks that produce, finance, strategize and support the John Holdrens of the world. Paging Mr. Al Gore, paging Al Gore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flavius,</p>
<p>lol&#8230; </p>
<p>the far left is way ahead of the game. Most hackers are left of center. They&#8217;ve been hacking things like this for a long time.</p>
<p>In fact, I suspect it was hackers on the left that did this. It just so happens they were on a different team on the left this time. </p>
<p>But, I&#8217;m all for it Flavious, Oh, lets do let the emails come out from Obama, SEIU, ACORN, Workers Party, Obama&#8217;s puppet master and convicted criminal George Soros, Open Society, DailyKos, MoveOn.org, and all the other corrupt scum in  this nation, like criminal Rezko and Jarrett, etc.  That were involved with land deals and failed publich housing projects in Chicago.</p>
<p>Yes, lets look inside the war machine of the far left kooks that produce, finance, strategize and support the John Holdrens of the world. Paging Mr. Al Gore, paging Al Gore.</p>
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		<title>By: DATCG</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/global-warming/climategate/comment-page-2/#comment-340944</link>
		<dc:creator>DATCG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More info on ClimateGate from Michelle Malking and Obama Czar - John Holdren&#039;s involvement.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/24/science-czar-john-holdren-and-climategate-perfect-together/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; John Holdren - Obama Czar &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More info on ClimateGate from Michelle Malking and Obama Czar &#8211; John Holdren&#8217;s involvement.</p>
<p><a href="http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/24/science-czar-john-holdren-and-climategate-perfect-together/" rel="nofollow"> John Holdren &#8211; Obama Czar </a></p>
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		<title>By: JGuy</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/global-warming/climategate/comment-page-2/#comment-340943</link>
		<dc:creator>JGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flavius @ 36

huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flavius @ 36</p>
<p>huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Flavius Id</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/global-warming/climategate/comment-page-2/#comment-340937</link>
		<dc:creator>Flavius Id</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think too much joy should be taken at the release of these emails.  There are other secret email lists that, if they were likewise hacked, would do irreparable harm on issues closer to the heart of this blog.  &quot;Do unto others&quot;--well, you know the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think too much joy should be taken at the release of these emails.  There are other secret email lists that, if they were likewise hacked, would do irreparable harm on issues closer to the heart of this blog.  &#8220;Do unto others&#8221;&#8211;well, you know the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: JGuy</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/global-warming/climategate/comment-page-2/#comment-340899</link>
		<dc:creator>JGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&amp;ContentRecord_id=2188feb3-802a-23ad-4de4-3fbc0a92e126&amp;Issue_id&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Oh oh... Climategate taken to the next level.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&amp;ContentRecord_id=2188feb3-802a-23ad-4de4-3fbc0a92e126&amp;Issue_id" rel="nofollow">Oh oh&#8230; Climategate taken to the next level.</a></p>
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		<title>By: O'Leary</title>
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		<dc:creator>O'Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seversky at 16 and JGuy at 9:

I am not a believer in conspiracy theories except for occasional situations like 9-11 - when almost all the conspirators became part of the atmosphere, blowin&#039; in the wind.

So, I presume, not available for interview? 

In my view, most of this &quot;climate scam&quot; trouble is caused by consensus, not conspiracy - what everyone knows that ain&#039;t so, but some make good out of fronting it, and they need to protect their business. It&#039;s a sweet deal if they are tenured profs.

But that does NOT make them right.

That is why consensus is the enemy of real science. It enables soft corruption because it targets responsible dissent. 

Once upon a time (well, it was 2004 in Montreal, actually), I was at a science journalists&#039; conference. 

Dane Bjorn Lomborg, an early climate change skeptic, was speaking at a workshop. I didn&#039;t have any particular opinion, except that I sure hadn&#039;t noticed that my own heat bubble (Toronto) was getting any warmer. 

I have given away two air conditioners in the last decade, because I never need them. A fan will do. 

So I went to see what Lomborg had to say.

Lomborg made a lot of sense to me. 
His focus was economic - not surprising, as he is an economist: We face a world of human need, he said, and a key question is, what effect will our policies really have on our brothers and sisters around the world?  

Anecdote: I had parked myself in the front row. Lomborg did not realize that his co-discussant would mount a direct attack on his research.* 

He had brought no paper with him. He saw me taking notes and asked me for some. I ripped off a bunch of sheets and gave them to him. I asked if he needed a pen, but he had one.

Anyway, he was able to respond more easily to the attack once he could take notes.

(*an attack also on George W. Bush&#039;s first term in office, pending a new election - which I considered in very poor taste, as the conference took place in Canada and was international. I honestly did NOT care who that guy thought should be president, just as he did not care who I thought should be Prime Minister of Canada. 

If we cannot dispense with stuff like this, maybe we should just not hold international meetings any more. 

No, wait! What we really need is better quality discussants!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seversky at 16 and JGuy at 9:</p>
<p>I am not a believer in conspiracy theories except for occasional situations like 9-11 &#8211; when almost all the conspirators became part of the atmosphere, blowin&#8217; in the wind.</p>
<p>So, I presume, not available for interview? </p>
<p>In my view, most of this &#8220;climate scam&#8221; trouble is caused by consensus, not conspiracy &#8211; what everyone knows that ain&#8217;t so, but some make good out of fronting it, and they need to protect their business. It&#8217;s a sweet deal if they are tenured profs.</p>
<p>But that does NOT make them right.</p>
<p>That is why consensus is the enemy of real science. It enables soft corruption because it targets responsible dissent. </p>
<p>Once upon a time (well, it was 2004 in Montreal, actually), I was at a science journalists&#8217; conference. </p>
<p>Dane Bjorn Lomborg, an early climate change skeptic, was speaking at a workshop. I didn&#8217;t have any particular opinion, except that I sure hadn&#8217;t noticed that my own heat bubble (Toronto) was getting any warmer. </p>
<p>I have given away two air conditioners in the last decade, because I never need them. A fan will do. </p>
<p>So I went to see what Lomborg had to say.</p>
<p>Lomborg made a lot of sense to me.<br />
His focus was economic &#8211; not surprising, as he is an economist: We face a world of human need, he said, and a key question is, what effect will our policies really have on our brothers and sisters around the world?  </p>
<p>Anecdote: I had parked myself in the front row. Lomborg did not realize that his co-discussant would mount a direct attack on his research.* </p>
<p>He had brought no paper with him. He saw me taking notes and asked me for some. I ripped off a bunch of sheets and gave them to him. I asked if he needed a pen, but he had one.</p>
<p>Anyway, he was able to respond more easily to the attack once he could take notes.</p>
<p>(*an attack also on George W. Bush&#8217;s first term in office, pending a new election &#8211; which I considered in very poor taste, as the conference took place in Canada and was international. I honestly did NOT care who that guy thought should be president, just as he did not care who I thought should be Prime Minister of Canada. </p>
<p>If we cannot dispense with stuff like this, maybe we should just not hold international meetings any more. </p>
<p>No, wait! What we really need is better quality discussants!)</p>
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		<title>By: Frost122585</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frost122585</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all can sign this petition against the UN Copenhagen Anthropogenic Green House Warming treaty here

http://www.webcommentary.com/

SO far they got 40 some thousand but need a lot more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all can sign this petition against the UN Copenhagen Anthropogenic Green House Warming treaty here</p>
<p><a href="http://www.webcommentary.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.webcommentary.com/</a></p>
<p>SO far they got 40 some thousand but need a lot more.</p>
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		<title>By: Frost122585</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/global-warming/climategate/comment-page-2/#comment-340846</link>
		<dc:creator>Frost122585</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah this PROVES that the peer review processes are easily conspiratorial. Whether it is going on in private emails or just kind of subliminally (maybe with winks and nods) or even subconsciously- the fix is in and the bias is often extreme. 

SO if this is what they are doing to skeptics and real scientists in the global warming community imagine what they are doing to ID advocates in the Darwinist controlled peer review community!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah this PROVES that the peer review processes are easily conspiratorial. Whether it is going on in private emails or just kind of subliminally (maybe with winks and nods) or even subconsciously- the fix is in and the bias is often extreme. </p>
<p>SO if this is what they are doing to skeptics and real scientists in the global warming community imagine what they are doing to ID advocates in the Darwinist controlled peer review community!</p>
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		<title>By: GilDodgen</title>
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		<dc:creator>GilDodgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a number of factors that explain all this.

Some consider humanity to be the scourge of the earth. For these people radical environmentalism is an ersatz religion, complete with the notion of humanity&#039;s original sin against the earth goddess, the need for repentance in the form of self-inflicted deprivation, and a cataclysmic end-of-the-world eschatology as punishment for our impenitence. For these people, challenging the religious orthodoxy makes one a heretic and therefore evil.

In addition, there is a huge financial incentive to confirm the &quot;consensus.&quot; AGW research is a multi-billion-dollar industry. Anyone whose research suggests that there is no problem -- or that even if there were, there is nothing we can do about it without the complete destruction of every economy in the world -- will never get another research grant.

Finally, there is peer pressure. Very few are willing to sacrifice their careers or to be excoriated as stupid and evil by their peers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a number of factors that explain all this.</p>
<p>Some consider humanity to be the scourge of the earth. For these people radical environmentalism is an ersatz religion, complete with the notion of humanity&#8217;s original sin against the earth goddess, the need for repentance in the form of self-inflicted deprivation, and a cataclysmic end-of-the-world eschatology as punishment for our impenitence. For these people, challenging the religious orthodoxy makes one a heretic and therefore evil.</p>
<p>In addition, there is a huge financial incentive to confirm the &#8220;consensus.&#8221; AGW research is a multi-billion-dollar industry. Anyone whose research suggests that there is no problem &#8212; or that even if there were, there is nothing we can do about it without the complete destruction of every economy in the world &#8212; will never get another research grant.</p>
<p>Finally, there is peer pressure. Very few are willing to sacrifice their careers or to be excoriated as stupid and evil by their peers.</p>
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