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		<title>By: WesleyP</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/expelled/coral-ridge-ministries-interviews-ben-stein/comment-page-1/#comment-230134</link>
		<dc:creator>WesleyP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 03:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t expect biologists to figure out the laws of physics.  Physicists figure out the laws of physics.  Biologists figure out the way species change and life works.  Though evolution rests upon the laws of physics, you can&#039;t expect it to explain them.
It seems to me that evolution is being treated as a religion capable of explaining everything when no scientist claims it to be.  It&#039;s a way of explaining how species change after life first originated and not a way of explaining the governing laws of the universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t expect biologists to figure out the laws of physics.  Physicists figure out the laws of physics.  Biologists figure out the way species change and life works.  Though evolution rests upon the laws of physics, you can&#8217;t expect it to explain them.<br />
It seems to me that evolution is being treated as a religion capable of explaining everything when no scientist claims it to be.  It&#8217;s a way of explaining how species change after life first originated and not a way of explaining the governing laws of the universe.</p>
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		<title>By: Pauli Ojala</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/expelled/coral-ridge-ministries-interviews-ben-stein/comment-page-1/#comment-229974</link>
		<dc:creator>Pauli Ojala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ernst Haeckel first proposed the academic persecution of the Jews in Germany. This was early on I think even before the Weimar republic and World War One.

We made a source discovery on Haeckel&#039;s correspondence to Finland, I think. That article can&#039;t be submitted to the internet freely but this one published in the ABC-series&#039; book Challenge for Bioethics from Asia is free of copyrights:
http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Haeckelianlegacy_ABC5.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ernst Haeckel first proposed the academic persecution of the Jews in Germany. This was early on I think even before the Weimar republic and World War One.</p>
<p>We made a source discovery on Haeckel&#8217;s correspondence to Finland, I think. That article can&#8217;t be submitted to the internet freely but this one published in the ABC-series&#8217; book Challenge for Bioethics from Asia is free of copyrights:<br />
<a href="http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Haeckelianlegacy_ABC5.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojal.....y_ABC5.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob O'H</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/expelled/coral-ridge-ministries-interviews-ben-stein/comment-page-1/#comment-229962</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob O'H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 06:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave is right.  How else do you think birds manage to fly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave is right.  How else do you think birds manage to fly?</p>
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		<title>By: austin_english</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/expelled/coral-ridge-ministries-interviews-ben-stein/comment-page-1/#comment-229941</link>
		<dc:creator>austin_english</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaveScot said,

&lt;i&gt;I doubt Jefferson would have said that the best course of action to make slavery go away is leave the matter in the hands of the slave owners.&lt;/i&gt;

Human rights are public policy. Science instruction in public schools is public policy. But science is not. Science has a long history of correcting itself. Ben Stein says,

&lt;i&gt;It surprised me that so many scientists were being expelled, punished, having their grants taken away, humiliated, belittled, mocked, because they believed that there was an Intelligent Designer, or even the possibility of an Intelligent Designer. But what surprised me even more, as we traveled and made our journey all around the world, was that there were so many highly credentialed scientists who did believe in the possibility of Intelligent Design, and who did severely question Darwinism.&lt;/i&gt;

If there are so many of these excellent scientists, why not accept that they may bring change in science?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaveScot said,</p>
<p><i>I doubt Jefferson would have said that the best course of action to make slavery go away is leave the matter in the hands of the slave owners.</i></p>
<p>Human rights are public policy. Science instruction in public schools is public policy. But science is not. Science has a long history of correcting itself. Ben Stein says,</p>
<p><i>It surprised me that so many scientists were being expelled, punished, having their grants taken away, humiliated, belittled, mocked, because they believed that there was an Intelligent Designer, or even the possibility of an Intelligent Designer. But what surprised me even more, as we traveled and made our journey all around the world, was that there were so many highly credentialed scientists who did believe in the possibility of Intelligent Design, and who did severely question Darwinism.</i></p>
<p>If there are so many of these excellent scientists, why not accept that they may bring change in science?</p>
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		<title>By: DaveScot</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveScot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wesley

&lt;i&gt;the laws of physics don’t have anything to do with evolutionary theory&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s really our whole point when it comes to evolutionary theory.  It ignores the laws of physics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wesley</p>
<p><i>the laws of physics don’t have anything to do with evolutionary theory</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s really our whole point when it comes to evolutionary theory.  It ignores the laws of physics.</p>
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		<title>By: ungtss</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/expelled/coral-ridge-ministries-interviews-ben-stein/comment-page-1/#comment-229926</link>
		<dc:creator>ungtss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wesley:

&lt;i&gt;Wait… the laws of physics don’t have anything to do with evolutionary theory. Saying evolution hasn’t explained the origin of the laws of physics is a non sequitur. Why is Ben Stein talking about them?&lt;/i&gt;

Read carefully.  He didn&#039;t say evolution hasn&#039;t explained the laws of physics.  He&#039;s listing off cool things that he thinks the Creator did, including creating life, designing the laws of physics, and arranging the planets.  He&#039;s casting the ID net wider than bioevo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wesley:</p>
<p><i>Wait… the laws of physics don’t have anything to do with evolutionary theory. Saying evolution hasn’t explained the origin of the laws of physics is a non sequitur. Why is Ben Stein talking about them?</i></p>
<p>Read carefully.  He didn&#8217;t say evolution hasn&#8217;t explained the laws of physics.  He&#8217;s listing off cool things that he thinks the Creator did, including creating life, designing the laws of physics, and arranging the planets.  He&#8217;s casting the ID net wider than bioevo.</p>
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		<title>By: WesleyP</title>
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		<dc:creator>WesleyP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait... the laws of physics don&#039;t have anything to do with evolutionary theory.  Saying evolution hasn&#039;t explained the origin of the laws of physics is a non sequitur.  Why is Ben Stein talking about them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait&#8230; the laws of physics don&#8217;t have anything to do with evolutionary theory.  Saying evolution hasn&#8217;t explained the origin of the laws of physics is a non sequitur.  Why is Ben Stein talking about them?</p>
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		<title>By: DaveScot</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveScot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Austin

I doubt Jefferson would have said that the best course of action to make slavery go away is leave the matter in the hands of the slave owners. Jefferson wasn&#039;t a moron. He knew you don&#039;t let the fox guard the henhouse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Austin</p>
<p>I doubt Jefferson would have said that the best course of action to make slavery go away is leave the matter in the hands of the slave owners. Jefferson wasn&#8217;t a moron. He knew you don&#8217;t let the fox guard the henhouse.</p>
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		<title>By: austin_english</title>
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		<dc:creator>austin_english</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took the first half of American history last fall. (It made my high school class look like propaganda.) I don&#039;t remember it the way Stein seems to.

Jefferson&#039;s America gave all humans their inalienable rights. But a lot of Americans believed blacks were subhuman. Jefferson didn&#039;t believe that. He kept slaves anyway. And he tried to make them invisible to visitors with his design of Monticello.

Jefferson was in favor of elitism in American government. Plato&#039;s Republic was a big influence on the founding fathers. The book tells how Greek democracies failed. And there is no form of the word &quot;democracy&quot; in the constitution.

The Federalist Papers explained the constitution before it was ratified. Only white male landowners could vote. The idea was that they would vote responsibly. They were expected to elect outstanding leaders. Also, the elected were not expected to act according to the will of the voters. They were supposed to act in the best interest of the people. Jefferson&#039;s America seems un-American now.

Except for the limited suffrage, I think those were great ideas. But Ben Stein seems to think the mass of &quot;dinky little nothings&quot; should use their political power to hack down the scientific elite. Jefferson believed nothing like that.

Scientists should govern science. If the elite scientists are out of control, the &quot;ordinary&quot; scientists should remedy that. It is not the place of a God-fearing voting block to repair science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took the first half of American history last fall. (It made my high school class look like propaganda.) I don&#8217;t remember it the way Stein seems to.</p>
<p>Jefferson&#8217;s America gave all humans their inalienable rights. But a lot of Americans believed blacks were subhuman. Jefferson didn&#8217;t believe that. He kept slaves anyway. And he tried to make them invisible to visitors with his design of Monticello.</p>
<p>Jefferson was in favor of elitism in American government. Plato&#8217;s Republic was a big influence on the founding fathers. The book tells how Greek democracies failed. And there is no form of the word &#8220;democracy&#8221; in the constitution.</p>
<p>The Federalist Papers explained the constitution before it was ratified. Only white male landowners could vote. The idea was that they would vote responsibly. They were expected to elect outstanding leaders. Also, the elected were not expected to act according to the will of the voters. They were supposed to act in the best interest of the people. Jefferson&#8217;s America seems un-American now.</p>
<p>Except for the limited suffrage, I think those were great ideas. But Ben Stein seems to think the mass of &#8220;dinky little nothings&#8221; should use their political power to hack down the scientific elite. Jefferson believed nothing like that.</p>
<p>Scientists should govern science. If the elite scientists are out of control, the &#8220;ordinary&#8221; scientists should remedy that. It is not the place of a God-fearing voting block to repair science.</p>
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		<title>By: Frost122585</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frost122585</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben Stein did an excellent job in this interview. While he conflated God with ID a little more than id good for the theory, over all he did a profound job articulating the position for most of us on the ID side. 

This quote nailed it.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;It’s not a proselytizing film for Christians or Muslims or Jews or Hindus. It’s a film for people who want to believe and who do believe that there is a God, an Intelligent Designer, and you know something, it’s even a film for people who don’t believe in that, but they believe in freedom of speech for everyone anyway.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben Stein did an excellent job in this interview. While he conflated God with ID a little more than id good for the theory, over all he did a profound job articulating the position for most of us on the ID side. </p>
<p>This quote nailed it.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It’s not a proselytizing film for Christians or Muslims or Jews or Hindus. It’s a film for people who want to believe and who do believe that there is a God, an Intelligent Designer, and you know something, it’s even a film for people who don’t believe in that, but they believe in freedom of speech for everyone anyway.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s right.</p>
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