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		<title>By: Frost122585</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/whos-in-it-for-the-money/comment-page-1/#comment-287912</link>
		<dc:creator>Frost122585</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 01:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to play Devil&#039;s advocate here bill. Behe&#039;s book Darwin&#039;s Black Box had to have sold a ton. Why don&#039;t you list those numbers? Is it because he out sold you? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to play Devil&#8217;s advocate here bill. Behe&#8217;s book Darwin&#8217;s Black Box had to have sold a ton. Why don&#8217;t you list those numbers? Is it because he out sold you? <img src='http://www.uncommondescent.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Frost122585</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/whos-in-it-for-the-money/comment-page-1/#comment-287910</link>
		<dc:creator>Frost122585</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 01:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles Darwin would be worth well more than 20 million. If his theory hit today he&#039;d be bigger than Oprah Winfrey and look how much she is worth! In fact, I bet CD would get his own nationally televised talk show. It might be a kind of hybrid between Jerry Springer and a dating game show. It could be called Survival of The Fittest. 

The ratings would be astronomical. Then CD could run for president on the Democrat plat form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles Darwin would be worth well more than 20 million. If his theory hit today he&#8217;d be bigger than Oprah Winfrey and look how much she is worth! In fact, I bet CD would get his own nationally televised talk show. It might be a kind of hybrid between Jerry Springer and a dating game show. It could be called Survival of The Fittest. </p>
<p>The ratings would be astronomical. Then CD could run for president on the Democrat plat form.</p>
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		<title>By: Reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 21:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Barb (#6)
&lt;blockquote&gt;Ann Coulter is a political pundit, not an ID theorist. She writes books, not to support ID, but rather to annoy liberals.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yet her sales figures are worth &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/1-book-on-amazon-godless-the-church-of-liberalism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cheering about&lt;/a&gt; on the Intelligent Design weblog and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/ann-coulter-the-wedge-for-the-masses/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Close to half the book [&#039;Godless&#039;] is devoted to science and evolution&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, a topic on which Dr Dembski had input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Barb (#6)</p>
<blockquote><p>Ann Coulter is a political pundit, not an ID theorist. She writes books, not to support ID, but rather to annoy liberals.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yet her sales figures are worth <a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/1-book-on-amazon-godless-the-church-of-liberalism/" rel="nofollow">cheering about</a> on the Intelligent Design weblog and <a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/ann-coulter-the-wedge-for-the-masses/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Close to half the book ['Godless'] is devoted to science and evolution&#8221;</a>, a topic on which Dr Dembski had input.</p>
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		<title>By: JPCollado</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/whos-in-it-for-the-money/comment-page-1/#comment-287877</link>
		<dc:creator>JPCollado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 20:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, Rockefeller donates a &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080425/lf_nm_life/usa_harvard_dc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;record $100 million gift&lt;/a&gt; to ID-friendly Harvard University.

I&#039;m sure the &lt;b&gt;Office of International Programs&lt;/b&gt; will have well-trained and evolution-conscient individuals ready for influential positions in academia, media and/or government who will stand ready to fight for our individual (and academic) freedoms as the US slowly phases into the NWO.  Just look at what a fine job such elite (and Hardvard-connected) papers like the NYT does in covering ID-related news or reports about the suppression of professors and scientists who are of a different opinion than that of the Establishment.

Now, all Rock has to do is tell his oil companies to reduce the price of gas, which is causing such a mess in the other industries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, Rockefeller donates a <a HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080425/lf_nm_life/usa_harvard_dc" rel="nofollow">record $100 million gift</a> to ID-friendly Harvard University.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the <b>Office of International Programs</b> will have well-trained and evolution-conscient individuals ready for influential positions in academia, media and/or government who will stand ready to fight for our individual (and academic) freedoms as the US slowly phases into the NWO.  Just look at what a fine job such elite (and Hardvard-connected) papers like the NYT does in covering ID-related news or reports about the suppression of professors and scientists who are of a different opinion than that of the Establishment.</p>
<p>Now, all Rock has to do is tell his oil companies to reduce the price of gas, which is causing such a mess in the other industries.</p>
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		<title>By: Reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 19:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;(3) Richard Dawkins. He’s sold over a million copies of THE GOD DELUSION, and apparently is looking at an almost $3 million advance for his next book. ... (4) Ken Miller, ... sold hundreds of thousands of copies  etc&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Oh dear, is that a whiff of sour grapes coming from Dr Dembski&#039;s direction? ID advocates have written books - and even sold them for money - too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>(3) Richard Dawkins. He’s sold over a million copies of THE GOD DELUSION, and apparently is looking at an almost $3 million advance for his next book. &#8230; (4) Ken Miller, &#8230; sold hundreds of thousands of copies  etc</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh dear, is that a whiff of sour grapes coming from Dr Dembski&#8217;s direction? ID advocates have written books &#8211; and even sold them for money &#8211; too.</p>
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		<title>By: DobyGS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DobyGS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 16:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say what you will about Iowa State University President Gregory Geoffroy, but when he was Dean of the College of Science at Penn State he would not promote anyone that did not bring in enough money.  Phil Skell, a member of Geoffroy&#039;s home chemistry department, will back that up.  These days, college administrators will only tenure and promote those faculty that bring in the big bucks, not $22,000.  They want million dollar grants.  A typical hire in the sciences will be offered $300,000 to $500,000 in startup funds and the university expects to be paid back in full in overhead cost returns from grants. President Geoffroy behaved as I expected that he would, no large grants, no tenure.  Universities want funding from NSF and NIH grants.  It is OK to fund your research from small grants, but you better have a lot of them.  It is that simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say what you will about Iowa State University President Gregory Geoffroy, but when he was Dean of the College of Science at Penn State he would not promote anyone that did not bring in enough money.  Phil Skell, a member of Geoffroy&#8217;s home chemistry department, will back that up.  These days, college administrators will only tenure and promote those faculty that bring in the big bucks, not $22,000.  They want million dollar grants.  A typical hire in the sciences will be offered $300,000 to $500,000 in startup funds and the university expects to be paid back in full in overhead cost returns from grants. President Geoffroy behaved as I expected that he would, no large grants, no tenure.  Universities want funding from NSF and NIH grants.  It is OK to fund your research from small grants, but you better have a lot of them.  It is that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: StephenB</title>
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		<dc:creator>StephenB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 13:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-----&quot;I am not surprised that evolutionary scientists have sufficent investments, seeing as their work has you know… scientific APPLICATIONS. What practical applications do you see emerging from young earth creation science?&quot;

Darwin&#039;s materialistic theory of evolution, which is not the only theory of evolution, has not produced one positive benefit for mankind in 150 years. Biology doesn&#039;t need it, medicine doesn&#039;t use it, and the culture would be better off without it. 

Even if intelligent design (creation science is not intelligent design [a presupposition is not an inference]) did nothing more than restore our cultures mental and intellectual health, it would be worth it. It would help the average person reacquaint himself with foundational truths, such as the existence of mind, human conscience, and the inherent dignity of the human person. 

Beyond that ID has potential to reverse engineer many biological and chemical puzzles. I will take a 15 year old promise over a 150 year old failure any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212;&#8211;&#8221;I am not surprised that evolutionary scientists have sufficent investments, seeing as their work has you know… scientific APPLICATIONS. What practical applications do you see emerging from young earth creation science?&#8221;</p>
<p>Darwin&#8217;s materialistic theory of evolution, which is not the only theory of evolution, has not produced one positive benefit for mankind in 150 years. Biology doesn&#8217;t need it, medicine doesn&#8217;t use it, and the culture would be better off without it. </p>
<p>Even if intelligent design (creation science is not intelligent design [a presupposition is not an inference]) did nothing more than restore our cultures mental and intellectual health, it would be worth it. It would help the average person reacquaint himself with foundational truths, such as the existence of mind, human conscience, and the inherent dignity of the human person. </p>
<p>Beyond that ID has potential to reverse engineer many biological and chemical puzzles. I will take a 15 year old promise over a 150 year old failure any day.</p>
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		<title>By: DoctorAtlantis</title>
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		<dc:creator>DoctorAtlantis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 12:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Stephen Colbert would say, &quot;The market has spoken.&quot;

It makes me wonder why God refuses to reward his servants here on Earth.  I wouldn&#039;t presume to guess His wisdom, but it sure seems like he could get His word out better if he helped his servants out a bit financially, and if he&#039;d stopped the devil from putting evidence everywhere that the earth was really old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Stephen Colbert would say, &#8220;The market has spoken.&#8221;</p>
<p>It makes me wonder why God refuses to reward his servants here on Earth.  I wouldn&#8217;t presume to guess His wisdom, but it sure seems like he could get His word out better if he helped his servants out a bit financially, and if he&#8217;d stopped the devil from putting evidence everywhere that the earth was really old.</p>
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		<title>By: russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 12:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Ann Coulter made how much off of &lt;blockquote&gt;“Godless” not to mention all the other books she wrote? I could compile a pretty long list of millionaires who reject evolution and made lots of money off of their books.

So what?

Talk about a red herring…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think you missed the point.  The &quot;in-it-for-the-money&quot; charge is commonly leveled at ID theorists, as if Darwinists have taken some kind of vow of poverty.  The list of prospering Darwin activists shows that such charges are, as you say, a  &quot;red herrings&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Ann Coulter made how much off of<br />
<blockquote>“Godless” not to mention all the other books she wrote? I could compile a pretty long list of millionaires who reject evolution and made lots of money off of their books.</p>
<p>So what?</p>
<p>Talk about a red herring…</p></blockquote>
<p>I think you missed the point.  The &#8220;in-it-for-the-money&#8221; charge is commonly leveled at ID theorists, as if Darwinists have taken some kind of vow of poverty.  The list of prospering Darwin activists shows that such charges are, as you say, a  &#8220;red herrings&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 12:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Darwin hardly “lived very comfortably”, most of his adult life was affected by illness, he was often bedridden for months,..&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This thread is about money.  &quot;Live comfortably&quot; in this context, means &quot;possess wealth&quot;.  If Charles Darwin&#039;s home was filled with straightback chairs, benches, and lumpy mattresses, we could still truthfully claim that he &quot;lived comfortably&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Darwin hardly “lived very comfortably”, most of his adult life was affected by illness, he was often bedridden for months,..</p></blockquote>
<p>This thread is about money.  &#8220;Live comfortably&#8221; in this context, means &#8220;possess wealth&#8221;.  If Charles Darwin&#8217;s home was filled with straightback chairs, benches, and lumpy mattresses, we could still truthfully claim that he &#8220;lived comfortably&#8221;.</p>
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