﻿<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: The Vise Strategy: Squeezing the Truth out of Darwinists</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/the-vise-strategy-squeezing-the-truth-out-of-darwinists/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/the-vise-strategy-squeezing-the-truth-out-of-darwinists/</link>
	<description>Serving The Intelligent Design Community</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:17:53 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	
	<item>
		<title>By: O&#8217;Leary remains skeptical: Does Richard Dawkins really exist? &#124; Uncommon Descent</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/the-vise-strategy-squeezing-the-truth-out-of-darwinists/comment-page-1/#comment-122668</link>
		<dc:creator>O&#8217;Leary remains skeptical: Does Richard Dawkins really exist? &#124; Uncommon Descent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 16:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/59#comment-122668</guid>
		<description>[...] Well, there you have it. It&#8217;s all very well for Bill to create a Dawkins persona (Freud could explain) and write those silly books under its name, but I do think that this particular joke - like Bill&#8217;s notorious head-in-a-vise Charlie doll and the &#8220;fartfest&#8221;, may have gotten a trifle out of hand at this point. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Well, there you have it. It&#8217;s all very well for Bill to create a Dawkins persona (Freud could explain) and write those silly books under its name, but I do think that this particular joke &#8211; like Bill&#8217;s notorious head-in-a-vise Charlie doll and the &#8220;fartfest&#8221;, may have gotten a trifle out of hand at this point. [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ooblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Monty Dembski&#8217;s Life of Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/the-vise-strategy-squeezing-the-truth-out-of-darwinists/comment-page-1/#comment-22686</link>
		<dc:creator>Ooblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Monty Dembski&#8217;s Life of Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/59#comment-22686</guid>
		<description>[...] Reg: You&#8217;re right. We could sit around here all day talking, rehashing Paley, fantasizing about putting Darwinists on trial, It&#8217;s not going to change one scientist&#8217;s mind! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Reg: You&#8217;re right. We could sit around here all day talking, rehashing Paley, fantasizing about putting Darwinists on trial, It&#8217;s not going to change one scientist&#8217;s mind! [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rebeckle</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/the-vise-strategy-squeezing-the-truth-out-of-darwinists/comment-page-1/#comment-13135</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebeckle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/59#comment-13135</guid>
		<description>Unfortunately, I&#039;m having trouble finding the entry where I saw it before I registered... so I&#039;ll just post it here.

The problem with &quot;obviated design&quot; such is argued using Mt. Rushmore as an example, is that there was a time when geological formations were attributed to design, flood geology, and other &quot;intelligent&quot; factors... this was all because we had no other explanation at the time.

Now, however, we know such theories to be ridiculous.  Geological formations, even the most amazing, are caused by geological and environmental factors over long periods of time.

My question is this:  Given that this is a useful analogy for the issues at hand... the notion that we cannot yet fully explain all aspects of evolution... does that make ID right?  Does it make evolution wrong?

Or does it simply mean that like geology once was... evolution is still a young science?  Will ID, like flood geology and catastrophism... one day look like a ridiculously short-sighted error in judgement?

The point being that from a logical stand point, evolution&#039;s alleged inability to explain certain phenomenae... says nothing whatsoever about the positive or negative veracity of its established claims.

Until ID can muster scientific evidence that can be recognized as scientific without changing the definition of science (a laughable sidestep, I should add, and one that will end up making Kansas look immensely foolish no matter what happens), it should not be taught in science classrooms.

Well, not unless they&#039;re going to start teaching Vampire biology or including Shangri-La in geography class... I mean really, if scientific explanations are no longer required to be &quot;natural&quot; or &quot;empirical&quot;... why not? 

I expect that this comment will disappear shortly, I will, as such, post it on my blog as well, along with any deletion information, so that people will be sure to take note of deep irony apparent in accusing &quot;Darwinists&quot; of refusing scrutiny... then deleting all challenging comments from your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, I&#8217;m having trouble finding the entry where I saw it before I registered&#8230; so I&#8217;ll just post it here.</p>
<p>The problem with &#8220;obviated design&#8221; such is argued using Mt. Rushmore as an example, is that there was a time when geological formations were attributed to design, flood geology, and other &#8220;intelligent&#8221; factors&#8230; this was all because we had no other explanation at the time.</p>
<p>Now, however, we know such theories to be ridiculous.  Geological formations, even the most amazing, are caused by geological and environmental factors over long periods of time.</p>
<p>My question is this:  Given that this is a useful analogy for the issues at hand&#8230; the notion that we cannot yet fully explain all aspects of evolution&#8230; does that make ID right?  Does it make evolution wrong?</p>
<p>Or does it simply mean that like geology once was&#8230; evolution is still a young science?  Will ID, like flood geology and catastrophism&#8230; one day look like a ridiculously short-sighted error in judgement?</p>
<p>The point being that from a logical stand point, evolution&#8217;s alleged inability to explain certain phenomenae&#8230; says nothing whatsoever about the positive or negative veracity of its established claims.</p>
<p>Until ID can muster scientific evidence that can be recognized as scientific without changing the definition of science (a laughable sidestep, I should add, and one that will end up making Kansas look immensely foolish no matter what happens), it should not be taught in science classrooms.</p>
<p>Well, not unless they&#8217;re going to start teaching Vampire biology or including Shangri-La in geography class&#8230; I mean really, if scientific explanations are no longer required to be &#8220;natural&#8221; or &#8220;empirical&#8221;&#8230; why not? </p>
<p>I expect that this comment will disappear shortly, I will, as such, post it on my blog as well, along with any deletion information, so that people will be sure to take note of deep irony apparent in accusing &#8220;Darwinists&#8221; of refusing scrutiny&#8230; then deleting all challenging comments from your blog.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Arnhart</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/the-vise-strategy-squeezing-the-truth-out-of-darwinists/comment-page-1/#comment-6310</link>
		<dc:creator>Arnhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 13:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/59#comment-6310</guid>
		<description>No, I don&#039;t agree that the best strategy for proponents of intelligent design is a negative rhetoric of challenging Darwinian scientists to demonstrate their case.

Certainly, negative argumentation has it&#039;s place in science.  But ultimately a scientific theory requires some positive content.  So if &quot;intelligent design theory&quot; is going to become a real scientific theory, it will have to explain exactly when, where, and how the intelligent designer created living beings with specified complexity.  For example, when, where, and how exactly did the intelligent designer create bacterial flagella?  Such a positive theory would be testable and falsifiable.  Scientists could go into their laboratories to devise experiments to test such a theory.

But, as I have argued in my book DARWINIAN CONSERVATISM, proponents of intelligent design have preferrred to employ a purely negative rhetoric.  &quot;Design&quot; is inferred negatively by the elimination of &quot;necessity&quot; and &quot;chance.&quot;  This won&#039;t do if intelligent design is to become a mature science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I don&#8217;t agree that the best strategy for proponents of intelligent design is a negative rhetoric of challenging Darwinian scientists to demonstrate their case.</p>
<p>Certainly, negative argumentation has it&#8217;s place in science.  But ultimately a scientific theory requires some positive content.  So if &#8220;intelligent design theory&#8221; is going to become a real scientific theory, it will have to explain exactly when, where, and how the intelligent designer created living beings with specified complexity.  For example, when, where, and how exactly did the intelligent designer create bacterial flagella?  Such a positive theory would be testable and falsifiable.  Scientists could go into their laboratories to devise experiments to test such a theory.</p>
<p>But, as I have argued in my book DARWINIAN CONSERVATISM, proponents of intelligent design have preferrred to employ a purely negative rhetoric.  &#8220;Design&#8221; is inferred negatively by the elimination of &#8220;necessity&#8221; and &#8220;chance.&#8221;  This won&#8217;t do if intelligent design is to become a mature science.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Uncommon Descent &#187; My New DarwinaliaÃ‚Â® Product Line</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/the-vise-strategy-squeezing-the-truth-out-of-darwinists/comment-page-1/#comment-6248</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncommon Descent &#187; My New DarwinaliaÃ‚Â® Product Line</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 02:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/59#comment-6248</guid>
		<description>[...]  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: The Importance of...</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/the-vise-strategy-squeezing-the-truth-out-of-darwinists/comment-page-1/#comment-338</link>
		<dc:creator>The Importance of...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2005 23:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/59#comment-338</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Intelligent Design Theorist Removes Link to Critic (Me)&lt;/strong&gt;

Four days ago, I posted about Intelligent Design theorist William Dembski&#039;s blog post calling for bringing evolutionists before a government panel so the truth could be squeezed out of them (Borrowing a Page From Lysenko, Intelligent Design Theorist D...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Intelligent Design Theorist Removes Link to Critic (Me)</strong></p>
<p>Four days ago, I posted about Intelligent Design theorist William Dembski&#8217;s blog post calling for bringing evolutionists before a government panel so the truth could be squeezed out of them (Borrowing a Page From Lysenko, Intelligent Design Theorist D&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Art</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/the-vise-strategy-squeezing-the-truth-out-of-darwinists/comment-page-1/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2005 13:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/59#comment-219</guid>
		<description>I always thought it was funny how one of the main lines of evidence used to &quot;prove&quot; evolution at the time of Scopes was the infamous half-man / half-ape Piltdown fossil (which was admitted to be a hoax in the 1950&#039;s).  If they knew then what we know now, my goodness, how history would have looked upon Scopes differently.  Perhaps there are lessons to be learned...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought it was funny how one of the main lines of evidence used to &#8220;prove&#8221; evolution at the time of Scopes was the infamous half-man / half-ape Piltdown fossil (which was admitted to be a hoax in the 1950&#8242;s).  If they knew then what we know now, my goodness, how history would have looked upon Scopes differently.  Perhaps there are lessons to be learned&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: scordova</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/the-vise-strategy-squeezing-the-truth-out-of-darwinists/comment-page-1/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>scordova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2005 04:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/59#comment-216</guid>
		<description>That is exactly right Bill. 

The other side dreads being put under critical scrutiny.  They know their theory will not be seen favorably once it is examined by the standards of real science.  Phil Johnson was right, we need &quot;Darwin on Trial&quot;.  He foreswaw what must be done.

</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is exactly right Bill. </p>
<p>The other side dreads being put under critical scrutiny.  They know their theory will not be seen favorably once it is examined by the standards of real science.  Phil Johnson was right, we need &#8220;Darwin on Trial&#8221;.  He foreswaw what must be done.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

