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	<title>Comments on: Roger Ebert weighs in on ID</title>
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		<title>By: Srdjan</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/roger-ebert-weighs-in-on-id/comment-page-1/#comment-1884</link>
		<dc:creator>Srdjan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to paraphrase da Vinci here (taken from Charles Nicholl book &quot;The Flights of the Mind&quot;. 
Those who merely quote - in the sense of follow or imitate as well as cite - are &quot;gente gonfiata&quot;: they are, literally, puffed or pumped up by second-hand information; they are &quot;trumpeters and reciters of the works of others&quot;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to paraphrase da Vinci here (taken from Charles Nicholl book &#8220;The Flights of the Mind&#8221;.<br />
Those who merely quote &#8211; in the sense of follow or imitate as well as cite &#8211; are &#8220;gente gonfiata&#8221;: they are, literally, puffed or pumped up by second-hand information; they are &#8220;trumpeters and reciters of the works of others&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: The Panda's Thumb</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/roger-ebert-weighs-in-on-id/comment-page-1/#comment-1863</link>
		<dc:creator>The Panda's Thumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 05:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;God and natural selection, hand in hand&lt;/strong&gt;

H.G. Wells, theistic evolutionist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>God and natural selection, hand in hand</strong></p>
<p>H.G. Wells, theistic evolutionist?</p>
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		<title>By: nostrowski</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/roger-ebert-weighs-in-on-id/comment-page-1/#comment-1850</link>
		<dc:creator>nostrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that settles it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that settles it.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/roger-ebert-weighs-in-on-id/comment-page-1/#comment-1848</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here we go again;

Emerson compares the  writing of a movie to ID, and uses the following as an example, where he asks us to imagine Cruise&#039;s character as a gene or an inherited trait:

&quot;&quot;&quot;As Ray dodges extermination willy nilly, while those to the left, right, front, and back of him are evaporated by death rays and snatched away by deadly tentacles, we know heÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s not going to snuff it because Ã¢â‚¬Â¦ well, because heÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Tom Cruise. 
A plane just happens to crash land on the house in which Ray and his kids are spending the night. He and his kids make it onto a ferry -- and make it off again. A flaming train goes by them. So, those things are interesting. Improbable, sure, but those are the kinds of events you make movies about. 
Spectacularly dangerous stuff happens to Ray, and all around Ray(which is what makes him a worthy protagonist; if he just sat at home and trembled it could get pretty dull) -- but he takes a bashing and keeps on dashing toward the predetermined finish line.&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;

I believe his analogy is excellent.
Imagine someone trying to attribute Cruise&#039;s survival amid this carnage to luck, chance, or contingency.

But this review (not by Mr. Ebert, although he is the editor) at least talks about the movie in question, unlike this one 
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050328/COMMENTARY/503280301</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we go again;</p>
<p>Emerson compares the  writing of a movie to ID, and uses the following as an example, where he asks us to imagine Cruise&#8217;s character as a gene or an inherited trait:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"As Ray dodges extermination willy nilly, while those to the left, right, front, and back of him are evaporated by death rays and snatched away by deadly tentacles, we know heÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s not going to snuff it because Ã¢â‚¬Â¦ well, because heÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Tom Cruise.<br />
A plane just happens to crash land on the house in which Ray and his kids are spending the night. He and his kids make it onto a ferry &#8212; and make it off again. A flaming train goes by them. So, those things are interesting. Improbable, sure, but those are the kinds of events you make movies about.<br />
Spectacularly dangerous stuff happens to Ray, and all around Ray(which is what makes him a worthy protagonist; if he just sat at home and trembled it could get pretty dull) &#8212; but he takes a bashing and keeps on dashing toward the predetermined finish line.&#8221;"&#8221;"</p>
<p>I believe his analogy is excellent.<br />
Imagine someone trying to attribute Cruise&#8217;s survival amid this carnage to luck, chance, or contingency.</p>
<p>But this review (not by Mr. Ebert, although he is the editor) at least talks about the movie in question, unlike this one<br />
<a href="http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050328/COMMENTARY/503280301" rel="nofollow">http://rogerebert.suntimes.com...../503280301</a></p>
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		<title>By: Burtonia Blogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burtonia Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Speaking of Kimodo Dragons&lt;/strong&gt;

The title of this post refers to a Burton family inside joke.Â  It is shorthand for a blatant attempt to change the subject without any plausible pretext whatsoever.Â  For a good example, see the end of this movie review of &quot;The War of the Worlds&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Speaking of Kimodo Dragons</strong></p>
<p>The title of this post refers to a Burton family inside joke.Â  It is shorthand for a blatant attempt to change the subject without any plausible pretext whatsoever.Â  For a good example, see the end of this movie review of &quot;The War of the Worlds&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: morpheusfaith</title>
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		<dc:creator>morpheusfaith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the review:

&quot;Because the filmmakers know how the story ends, they are able to work backwards and forwards to be sure it comes out the right way . . .&quot;

Sounds eerily familiar to neo-Darwinists who, like filmmakers, already &quot;know&quot; how the story ends, and thus invoke hypothetical just-so stories that have no basis in biologic reality to make sure it &quot;comes out the right way.&quot;  &quot;Science fiction&quot; has taken on a whole new meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the review:</p>
<p>&#8220;Because the filmmakers know how the story ends, they are able to work backwards and forwards to be sure it comes out the right way . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds eerily familiar to neo-Darwinists who, like filmmakers, already &#8220;know&#8221; how the story ends, and thus invoke hypothetical just-so stories that have no basis in biologic reality to make sure it &#8220;comes out the right way.&#8221;  &#8220;Science fiction&#8221; has taken on a whole new meaning.</p>
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