Comments on: MU Professor Taking the ‘Heat’ http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/mu-professor-taking-the-heat/ Serving The Intelligent Design Community Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:41:46 +0000 hourly 1 By: TerryL http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/mu-professor-taking-the-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-117889 TerryL Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:43:34 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/mu-professor-taking-the-heat/#comment-117889 One means that the materialists use to avoid injecting ID into the discussion--amazingly--is to deny that the genetic code is really a code at all and even to deny Professor Marshall's central claim that DNA constitutes the “most complex, densely packed, elaborate assembly of information in the known universe.” I have an acquaintance with a college degree in physics who argues that very thing. His position makes so little sense to me that I won't even attempt to describe it for fear of grossly misstating it. But let it serve as an example of the kinds of straw you have to grasp at in order to adhere fully to materialistic explanation. One means that the materialists use to avoid injecting ID into the discussion–amazingly–is to deny that the genetic code is really a code at all and even to deny Professor Marshall’s central claim that DNA constitutes the “most complex, densely packed, elaborate assembly of information in the known universe.”

I have an acquaintance with a college degree in physics who argues that very thing. His position makes so little sense to me that I won’t even attempt to describe it for fear of grossly misstating it. But let it serve as an example of the kinds of straw you have to grasp at in order to adhere fully to materialistic explanation.

]]> By: tribune7 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/mu-professor-taking-the-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-117884 tribune7 Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:16:35 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/mu-professor-taking-the-heat/#comment-117884 I liked this: <i>Several people in the audience said they appreciated Marshall’s message. Among them was Tim Spurgeon of Columbia. As an analytical chemist, Spurgeon said, he’s charged with searching for the truth. "I think that if we simply say that we’re going to only look at what’s in the box of only what can be natural, and yet there’s this big white elephant in the room that no one’s willing to touch … I think we’re fooling ourselves."</i> Progress is being made. I liked this:

Several people in the audience said they appreciated Marshall’s message. Among them was Tim Spurgeon of Columbia. As an analytical chemist, Spurgeon said, he’s charged with searching for the truth. “I think that if we simply say that we’re going to only look at what’s in the box of only what can be natural, and yet there’s this big white elephant in the room that no one’s willing to touch … I think we’re fooling ourselves.”

Progress is being made.

]]> By: LeeBowman http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/mu-professor-taking-the-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-117858 LeeBowman Thu, 26 Apr 2007 04:32:03 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/mu-professor-taking-the-heat/#comment-117858 I think Alec Baldwin would do much better. The article only quoted bits and pieces of the post lecture dialogues, but it is convoluted criticism at best, uttered just before he stormed out of the auditorium. I'm waiting to see/watch the complete transcript/video if/when it becomes available. I think Alec Baldwin would do much better. The article only quoted bits and pieces of the post lecture dialogues, but it is convoluted criticism at best, uttered just before he stormed out of the auditorium. I’m waiting to see/watch the complete transcript/video if/when it becomes available.

]]> By: tribune7 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/mu-professor-taking-the-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-117855 tribune7 Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:51:40 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/mu-professor-taking-the-heat/#comment-117855 <i>“cloaking a narrow definition of Christianity, which (he) found personally offensive”, and that it “really hacks (him) off”.</i> Sounds like something Alec Baldwin would leave on an answering machine. “cloaking a narrow definition of Christianity, which (he) found personally offensive”, and that it “really hacks (him) off”.

Sounds like something Alec Baldwin would leave on an answering machine.

]]> By: russ http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/mu-professor-taking-the-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-117844 russ Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:14:28 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/mu-professor-taking-the-heat/#comment-117844 DanielJ, I think Rude is talking about Athiests + America Haters + Terrorist Apologists, not Athiests who are also America Haters and Terrorists. He's listed three worldviews/political positions that are vigorously protected and promulgated on college campuses. ID is not treated with the same kind of deference. DanielJ, I think Rude is talking about Athiests + America Haters + Terrorist Apologists, not Athiests who are also America Haters and Terrorists. He’s listed three worldviews/political positions that are vigorously protected and promulgated on college campuses. ID is not treated with the same kind of deference.

]]> By: DanielJ http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/mu-professor-taking-the-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-117827 DanielJ Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:45:06 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/mu-professor-taking-the-heat/#comment-117827 Rude, it doesn't sound like that was the case with this debate. They did allow him to debate. It's the students' responsibility to be open to both views. Also, are all theists "America lovers"? If you actually talked to people who go to college, although they're quite rare, there are many who do not fit into your neat dichotomy of atheist America haters vs. theist America lovers. Rude, it doesn’t sound like that was the case with this debate. They did allow him to debate. It’s the students’ responsibility to be open to both views.

Also, are all theists “America lovers”? If you actually talked to people who go to college, although they’re quite rare, there are many who do not fit into your neat dichotomy of atheist America haters vs. theist America lovers.

]]> By: Rude http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/mu-professor-taking-the-heat/comment-page-1/#comment-117825 Rude Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:25:31 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/mu-professor-taking-the-heat/#comment-117825 But of course “rigorous intellectual inquiry” means verbal tirades by atheists and America haters and terrorist apologists, “to empower students to express opposing views” is to goad young people into debunking the Judeo-Christian ethic, and “respectfully and in the spirit of open-mindedness” applies only to the opposition—<em>if</em> they are allowed to be heard at all. But of course “rigorous intellectual inquiry” means verbal tirades by atheists and America haters and terrorist apologists, “to empower students to express opposing views” is to goad young people into debunking the Judeo-Christian ethic, and “respectfully and in the spirit of open-mindedness” applies only to the opposition—if they are allowed to be heard at all.

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