Comments on: Jonathan Wells responds to P. Z. Myer’s tantrum http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/ Serving The Intelligent Design Community Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:02:58 +0000 hourly 1 By: DaveScot http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/comment-page-1/#comment-112295 DaveScot Sat, 07 Apr 2007 05:22:04 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/#comment-112295 allswell <i>Please, when you address us with an ad hominem, take the opportunity to also be correct. Call us “neo-Dawrinian synthesists”.</i> Who's Dawrin? allswell

Please, when you address us with an ad hominem, take the opportunity to also be correct. Call us “neo-Dawrinian synthesists”.

Who’s Dawrin?

]]> By: dacook http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/comment-page-1/#comment-112071 dacook Sat, 07 Apr 2007 00:53:22 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/#comment-112071 I think it's significant that the only other fields where this type of vituperative ad-hominem attacks regularly occur are politics and religion. In Medicine and other true scientific arenas debate often becomes hot, but almost always stays on-topic; people's ideas may be attacked, but you do not find personal ridicule, name-calling, and accusations of dishonesty. On the other hand, it's rare these days to find a discussion involving disagreement about life's origin and development which does not quickly degenerate into the type of truly immature behavior regularly demonstrated by prof. Myers and other proponents of the neo-Darwinian synthesis. How is one to have any respect for these people, or for their position? This is just not how real scientists act about real scientific issues. It is becoming ever more apparent that the Darwinian position has more to do with politics and religion than with science. I think it’s significant that the only other fields where this type of vituperative ad-hominem attacks regularly occur are politics and religion.
In Medicine and other true scientific arenas debate often becomes hot, but almost always stays on-topic; people’s ideas may be attacked, but you do not find personal ridicule, name-calling, and accusations of dishonesty.
On the other hand, it’s rare these days to find a discussion involving disagreement about life’s origin and development which does not quickly degenerate into the type of truly immature behavior regularly demonstrated by prof. Myers and other proponents of the neo-Darwinian synthesis.
How is one to have any respect for these people, or for their position? This is just not how real scientists act about real scientific issues.
It is becoming ever more apparent that the Darwinian position has more to do with politics and religion than with science.

]]> By: The Scubaredneck http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/comment-page-1/#comment-112012 The Scubaredneck Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:52:57 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/#comment-112012 <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/04/wells_on_hox_structure_making.php" rel="nofollow">PZ Meyers responded</a> and, according to the sheep at denialism.com, his response is <b>devastating</b>. I guess Jon Wells will just go home and sulk now. NOT!!! ;-) PZ Meyers responded and, according to the sheep at denialism.com, his response is devastating. I guess Jon Wells will just go home and sulk now.

NOT!!! ;-)

]]> By: Mats http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/comment-page-1/#comment-111997 Mats Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:12:17 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/#comment-111997 Dr Wells is hated by the Darwiniah church bkz he blew the whistle on the so called "overwhelming evidence for evolution" with his book "Icons of Evolution". That's something Darwin worshippers will never forgive him. Oh, and the fact that Dr Wells has a PhD in a relevant field (concerning origins) doesn't make him more popular. The worst thing Darwinian totalists hate is a learned anti-Darwinist! I mean, you can dismiss that common people with hand waving and "oh, they just don't know anything about science". But how can you dismiss a man with not one by TWO PhD, one of them in a biology related field? So, since you cant win with evidence, you just attack his personality, his degrees, and pretty much talk about anything EXCEPT unguided evolution. Dr Wells is hated by the Darwiniah church bkz he blew the whistle on the so called “overwhelming evidence for evolution” with his book “Icons of Evolution”. That’s something Darwin worshippers will never forgive him.
Oh, and the fact that Dr Wells has a PhD in a relevant field (concerning origins) doesn’t make him more popular. The worst thing Darwinian totalists hate is a learned anti-Darwinist! I mean, you can dismiss that common people with hand waving and “oh, they just don’t know anything about science”. But how can you dismiss a man with not one by TWO PhD, one of them in a biology related field?
So, since you cant win with evidence, you just attack his personality, his degrees, and pretty much talk about anything EXCEPT unguided evolution.

]]> By: Darwiniana » Wells/Myers: evo-devo http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/comment-page-1/#comment-111986 Darwiniana » Wells/Myers: evo-devo Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:27:48 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/#comment-111986 [...] Hated by the Right People, Jonathan Wells replies to Myers. [...] [...] Hated by the Right People, Jonathan Wells replies to Myers. [...]

]]> By: sagebrush gardener http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/comment-page-1/#comment-111973 sagebrush gardener Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:53:04 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/#comment-111973 PZ and his herd of independent thinkers are shooting themselves in their collective feet. This ignorant bashing sounds more like the staged ranting of a professional wrestler than a reasoned argument from a position of strength. If I were an unbiased observer I know which side I would choose based solely on the rationality of the "arguments" presented. PZ and his herd of independent thinkers are shooting themselves in their collective feet. This ignorant bashing sounds more like the staged ranting of a professional wrestler than a reasoned argument from a position of strength. If I were an unbiased observer I know which side I would choose based solely on the rationality of the “arguments” presented.

]]> By: allswell http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/comment-page-1/#comment-111968 allswell Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:10:37 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/#comment-111968 Please, when you address us with an <i>ad hominem</i>, take the opportunity to also be correct. Call us "neo-Dawrinian synthesists". Please, when you address us with an ad hominem, take the opportunity to also be correct. Call us “neo-Dawrinian synthesists”.

]]> By: IDist http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/comment-page-1/#comment-111906 IDist Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:13:35 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/#comment-111906 Dr. Wells is really hated among darwinists, and there is a reason for that ;) Dr. Wells is really hated among darwinists, and there is a reason for that ;)

]]> By: Joseph http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/comment-page-1/#comment-111835 Joseph Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:17:06 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/#comment-111835 If Dr. Wells, and IDists in general, are soooo ignorant, then why don't they just take the time to splain it to us? The imaginative explanatory narratives they offer us now are not a substitute for scientific data. <b>But first it would be nice for them to admit that their materialistic anti-ID position is nothing more than sheer dumb luck.</b> The diversity of living organisms is due to culled genetic accidents, even though we know that although genes may influence every aspect of development they do not determine it. Substitute a fly's PAX6 gene with that from a mouse and we get a fly with fly-eyes. IOW no one knows where the information for the type of eye resides. The color of eyes in humans, perhaps, but not the info for "human eye". PZ and crew should not blame us for being ignorant when it is obvious they are more so. And if they are just looking to provoke a fight then why don't we just have at it? If Dr. Wells, and IDists in general, are soooo ignorant, then why don’t they just take the time to splain it to us?

The imaginative explanatory narratives they offer us now are not a substitute for scientific data. But first it would be nice for them to admit that their materialistic anti-ID position is nothing more than sheer dumb luck.

The diversity of living organisms is due to culled genetic accidents, even though we know that although genes may influence every aspect of development they do not determine it.

Substitute a fly’s PAX6 gene with that from a mouse and we get a fly with fly-eyes. IOW no one knows where the information for the type of eye resides. The color of eyes in humans, perhaps, but not the info for “human eye”.

PZ and crew should not blame us for being ignorant when it is obvious they are more so.

And if they are just looking to provoke a fight then why don’t we just have at it?

]]> By: shaner74 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/comment-page-1/#comment-111825 shaner74 Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:08:10 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/jonathan-wells-responds-to-p-z-myers-tantrum/#comment-111825 I've yet to see a darwinian blog that doesn't descend into madness when faced with “inconvenient” facts about their beloved faith. They’re hastening the demise of Darwinism with their fearful outbursts. I’ve yet to see a darwinian blog that doesn’t descend into madness when faced with “inconvenient” facts about their beloved faith. They’re hastening the demise of Darwinism with their fearful outbursts.

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