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	<title>Comments on: Is Craig Venter&#8217;s Synthetic Cell Really Life?</title>
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		<title>By: THEMAYAN</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/is-craig-venters-synthetic-cell-really-life/comment-page-1/#comment-359887</link>
		<dc:creator>THEMAYAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree with Pav on your interpretation of truncated mouse genome study as resulting in &quot;normal mice&quot;. I&#039;m not saying that you may not be right, but I am saying that all the data is not in yet. If you read what was actually said in fine print, all they really knew was that the mice were alive. 

The authors admitted that they could not know if there were negative side effects since they were not tested for them. They were also well fed and cared for and did not have to contend with real world stresses such as being exposed to a non sterile and non controlled germ free environment or other challenges that non cared fore animals living in the wild would have to deal with. 

My point is that there were a few other things that should also be considered. Titles are designed to attract attention. The real creamy filling is in the detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with Pav on your interpretation of truncated mouse genome study as resulting in &#8220;normal mice&#8221;. I&#8217;m not saying that you may not be right, but I am saying that all the data is not in yet. If you read what was actually said in fine print, all they really knew was that the mice were alive. </p>
<p>The authors admitted that they could not know if there were negative side effects since they were not tested for them. They were also well fed and cared for and did not have to contend with real world stresses such as being exposed to a non sterile and non controlled germ free environment or other challenges that non cared fore animals living in the wild would have to deal with. </p>
<p>My point is that there were a few other things that should also be considered. Titles are designed to attract attention. The real creamy filling is in the detail.</p>
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		<title>By: DonaldM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DonaldM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 03:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>roundsquare - what does some TV miracle healer have to do with this discussion thread?  Please keep to the topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>roundsquare &#8211; what does some TV miracle healer have to do with this discussion thread?  Please keep to the topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Dov Henis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dov Henis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 08:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More On Venter’s New &quot;Life Form&quot;,
Plain Ignorance


&quot;Is the “Synthetic Cell” about Life?&quot;
A bioethicist explores the soul of Venter’s new life form and of his experiment
http://www.the-scientist.com/article/display/57523/

- &quot;Heralded as the moment that science finally took the magic out of life.&quot;
* What magic is there in life? All life forms are mass formats comprising constrained energy. They ingest energy in order to survive as long as possible, to postpone their own conversion to energy that fuels the ongoing cosmic expansion. Where/what is the magic? Replication? 

- Venter has said that his achievement has changed the definition of life.
* IMO my suggestion of the nature of life mass format is THE presently most updated scientific conception. I wonder what Venter&#039;s definitions of life are for the prior and after the “Synthetic Cell”.

A cell is a construction comprising resident life primal RNA genes and a variety of organs evolved by them. Archaic RNA genes were independent bare floating organisms, energized by direct solar radiation. Cells, cellular membranes, including the outer membrane, are organs evolved by the resident RNA genes. Genomes, DNA or RNA, are likewise functional organs evolved by the resident RNA genes.

Life is, by our sensory conception, a virtual reality affair. Religion and &quot;spiritualty&quot; are virtual reality tools for going through life. The purpose of our life is ours to formulate and set. It derives solely from our cognition, which is a biologic entity. 


Dov Henis
(Comments From The 22nd Century)
03.2010 Updated Life Manifest 
http://www.the-scientist.com/community/posts/list/54.page#5065
Cosmic Evolution Simplified
http://www.the-scientist.com/community/posts/list/240/122.page#4427
Gravity Is The Monotheism Of The Cosmos
http://www.the-scientist.com/community/posts/list/260/122.page#4887
EOTOE, Embarrassingly obvious TOE, expanding the horizon beyond Darwin And Einstein 
http://www.molecularfossils.com/2010/05/formal-test-of-theory-of-universal.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More On Venter’s New &#8220;Life Form&#8221;,<br />
Plain Ignorance</p>
<p>&#8220;Is the “Synthetic Cell” about Life?&#8221;<br />
A bioethicist explores the soul of Venter’s new life form and of his experiment<br />
<a href="http://www.the-scientist.com/article/display/57523/" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-scientist.com/a.....lay/57523/</a></p>
<p>- &#8220;Heralded as the moment that science finally took the magic out of life.&#8221;<br />
* What magic is there in life? All life forms are mass formats comprising constrained energy. They ingest energy in order to survive as long as possible, to postpone their own conversion to energy that fuels the ongoing cosmic expansion. Where/what is the magic? Replication? </p>
<p>- Venter has said that his achievement has changed the definition of life.<br />
* IMO my suggestion of the nature of life mass format is THE presently most updated scientific conception. I wonder what Venter&#8217;s definitions of life are for the prior and after the “Synthetic Cell”.</p>
<p>A cell is a construction comprising resident life primal RNA genes and a variety of organs evolved by them. Archaic RNA genes were independent bare floating organisms, energized by direct solar radiation. Cells, cellular membranes, including the outer membrane, are organs evolved by the resident RNA genes. Genomes, DNA or RNA, are likewise functional organs evolved by the resident RNA genes.</p>
<p>Life is, by our sensory conception, a virtual reality affair. Religion and &#8220;spiritualty&#8221; are virtual reality tools for going through life. The purpose of our life is ours to formulate and set. It derives solely from our cognition, which is a biologic entity. </p>
<p>Dov Henis<br />
(Comments From The 22nd Century)<br />
03.2010 Updated Life Manifest<br />
<a href="http://www.the-scientist.com/community/posts/list/54.page#5065" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-scientist.com/c......page#5065</a><br />
Cosmic Evolution Simplified<br />
<a href="http://www.the-scientist.com/community/posts/list/240/122.page#4427" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-scientist.com/c......page#4427</a><br />
Gravity Is The Monotheism Of The Cosmos<br />
<a href="http://www.the-scientist.com/community/posts/list/260/122.page#4887" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-scientist.com/c......page#4887</a><br />
EOTOE, Embarrassingly obvious TOE, expanding the horizon beyond Darwin And Einstein<br />
<a href="http://www.molecularfossils.com/2010/05/formal-test-of-theory-of-universal.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.molecularfossils.co.....ersal.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: markf</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 08:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just testing whether I can make comments.

Pls excuse the junk mail.</description>
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<p>Pls excuse the junk mail.</p>
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		<title>By: roundsquare</title>
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		<dc:creator>roundsquare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 22:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pardon my more confusing lines in my above post, i meant to say that this is a great site in the very first site. and as to the prophecies they are broadcast live before the events they predict come to pass. the accuracy and precision of this prophecies is really something to marvel at. what do the brainiacs of this site think about all that I have brought to the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon my more confusing lines in my above post, i meant to say that this is a great site in the very first site. and as to the prophecies they are broadcast live before the events they predict come to pass. the accuracy and precision of this prophecies is really something to marvel at. what do the brainiacs of this site think about all that I have brought to the table.</p>
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		<title>By: roundsquare</title>
		<link>http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/is-craig-venters-synthetic-cell-really-life/comment-page-1/#comment-359797</link>
		<dc:creator>roundsquare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 22:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This great informative site, Im not a regular but I enjoy myself everytime I pop in, its contributers seem scientifically well-versed Im sure Im dealing with science graduates even scientists Im sure, if so its a wonderful platform to be able to talk to actual scientists its a sereal feeling. That aside have any one of you smart folks heard of T.B. Joshua, he is a modern-day miracle worker. His channel Emmanuel TV broadcast his incredible miracles monthly around the globe live. To appreciate his miracles one has to witness them and theres no better place to go for this than youtube, a quick search of his name on youtube will throw out tons of his miracles. the amazing thing is this miracles happen infront of thousands of onlookers and millions of TV viewers, skeptics and believers and everyone goes away shocked and confused as to what they had just witnessed. Wikipedia hardly criticises his miracles but almost uphold them. some of the healings include Aids, cancer, diabetes, madness, shocking instant births are captured on film and broadcast on his channel. But miracles is only one aspect of this mans ministry he is also known as a prophet for a complete list of his prophecies visit scoan.org, his broadcast live before the stated events occur. i want you smart folks to look into this man and his ministry, as far as Im aware this man is a real miracle-worker he is yet to be found guilty of fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This great informative site, Im not a regular but I enjoy myself everytime I pop in, its contributers seem scientifically well-versed Im sure Im dealing with science graduates even scientists Im sure, if so its a wonderful platform to be able to talk to actual scientists its a sereal feeling. That aside have any one of you smart folks heard of T.B. Joshua, he is a modern-day miracle worker. His channel Emmanuel TV broadcast his incredible miracles monthly around the globe live. To appreciate his miracles one has to witness them and theres no better place to go for this than youtube, a quick search of his name on youtube will throw out tons of his miracles. the amazing thing is this miracles happen infront of thousands of onlookers and millions of TV viewers, skeptics and believers and everyone goes away shocked and confused as to what they had just witnessed. Wikipedia hardly criticises his miracles but almost uphold them. some of the healings include Aids, cancer, diabetes, madness, shocking instant births are captured on film and broadcast on his channel. But miracles is only one aspect of this mans ministry he is also known as a prophet for a complete list of his prophecies visit scoan.org, his broadcast live before the stated events occur. i want you smart folks to look into this man and his ministry, as far as Im aware this man is a real miracle-worker he is yet to be found guilty of fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: anonym</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 20:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/first-cell-controlled-completely-by-a-synthetic-genome/#comment-355340 mentioned previously, &lt;a href=&quot;http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Reflections on Trusting Trust&quot;&lt;/a&gt; is relevant here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I <a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/first-cell-controlled-completely-by-a-synthetic-genome/#comment-355340" rel="nofollow">http://www.uncommondescent.com.....ent-355340</a> mentioned previously, <a href="http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Reflections on Trusting Trust&#8221;</a> is relevant here.</p>
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		<title>By: PaV</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The almost perfect anaology that is operative here is that of computer programming.

Since it took Venter &quot;years&quot; to accomplish his feat, this must have certainly included a lot of trial and error work.  We already know that very large segments of &quot;highly conserved &#039;junk-DNA&#039;&quot; can be entirely eliminated from a mouse embryo and normal development, and normal mice, ensue.  So limited manual manipulation of a genome will surely, at some point, admit of a &#039;successful&#039; manipulation.  It&#039;s along these lines that we should understand what&#039;s been done.

It seems to me that all Venter has accomplished here is to have &#039;designed&#039; a &#039;program&#039; that the &#039;computer&#039; (cell) can recognize and implement (compiler function).  His work, then, clearly demonstrates the cell to be an information-processing system.  That such a system allows itself of a contrived (but, of course, contrived in unessential ways) input, only reaffirms the already obvious understanding of organic life as that of a highly complicated information processing system that operates in ways similar to present day computers.  Hence,  given that computers are known to be &#039;designed&#039;, Venter&#039;s work serves to link the operational system of a cell to that of a known &#039;designed system&#039;.

And, of course, this also undermines the ridiculous argument so frequently made by Darwinists:  viz., to be able to manipulate an operational cell in a meaningful, but artificial way, means that we have some understanding of &#039;how&#039; a cell operates; thus, how can it be argued that &quot;we don&#039;t know the Designer, so how can we know anything about his designs?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The almost perfect anaology that is operative here is that of computer programming.</p>
<p>Since it took Venter &#8220;years&#8221; to accomplish his feat, this must have certainly included a lot of trial and error work.  We already know that very large segments of &#8220;highly conserved &#8216;junk-DNA&#8217;&#8221; can be entirely eliminated from a mouse embryo and normal development, and normal mice, ensue.  So limited manual manipulation of a genome will surely, at some point, admit of a &#8216;successful&#8217; manipulation.  It&#8217;s along these lines that we should understand what&#8217;s been done.</p>
<p>It seems to me that all Venter has accomplished here is to have &#8216;designed&#8217; a &#8216;program&#8217; that the &#8216;computer&#8217; (cell) can recognize and implement (compiler function).  His work, then, clearly demonstrates the cell to be an information-processing system.  That such a system allows itself of a contrived (but, of course, contrived in unessential ways) input, only reaffirms the already obvious understanding of organic life as that of a highly complicated information processing system that operates in ways similar to present day computers.  Hence,  given that computers are known to be &#8216;designed&#8217;, Venter&#8217;s work serves to link the operational system of a cell to that of a known &#8216;designed system&#8217;.</p>
<p>And, of course, this also undermines the ridiculous argument so frequently made by Darwinists:  viz., to be able to manipulate an operational cell in a meaningful, but artificial way, means that we have some understanding of &#8216;how&#8217; a cell operates; thus, how can it be argued that &#8220;we don&#8217;t know the Designer, so how can we know anything about his designs?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: above</title>
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		<dc:creator>above</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such distortions of truth are simply the byproduct of unconstrained human pride.</description>
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		<title>By: fmarotta</title>
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		<dc:creator>fmarotta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether it is life or not, it is intelligently designed.

Apart from the testimony/evidence presented by the designer, is the design detectable?   That is the question that interests me most.   Not whether it is life or not (which is certainly a relavent question as well), but whether the design aspects are detectable.

I would think that whether one believes in Intelligent Design or Evolution, that we can all acknowledge that mankind is now play a participatory role in modifying pre-existing organisms.  I think it would be of interest to all parties to be able to detect such participatory design.  But is anyone actively interested in this idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether it is life or not, it is intelligently designed.</p>
<p>Apart from the testimony/evidence presented by the designer, is the design detectable?   That is the question that interests me most.   Not whether it is life or not (which is certainly a relavent question as well), but whether the design aspects are detectable.</p>
<p>I would think that whether one believes in Intelligent Design or Evolution, that we can all acknowledge that mankind is now play a participatory role in modifying pre-existing organisms.  I think it would be of interest to all parties to be able to detect such participatory design.  But is anyone actively interested in this idea?</p>
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